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So Glad the Keyboard 'Membrane' Is Gone in the 16"

MacBookGamer

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I can't be the only one, but did you notice how dust and other particles would get stuck under that plastic thing in the butterfly keyboards? It's almost impossible to clean. Not even compressed air would clean them out. The 16" no longer has this issue and won't look dusty in 6 months.
 

x-evil-x

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I can't be the only one, but did you notice how dust and other particles would get stuck under that plastic thing in the butterfly keyboards? It's almost impossible to clean. Not even compressed air would clean them out. The 16" no longer has this issue and won't look dusty in 6 months.
I'm assuming nobody noticed dust or other particles under the keycap as you can't see it. Where you pulling up each key on the side to look under it somehow? or are you talking about the edge of each keycap?
 
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iJustines

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Why didn't the mac team that design the butterfly keyboard get fired for created horrible things to the product?
 
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iJustines

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Because doing so would completely stifle innovation within the company -- employees will simply stop taking risks.

the employee makes it virtually unusable and prone to fail at a higher rate than any keyboard. This isn't taking risk and nothing to do with stifle innovation at all and it clearly did not go through strenuous testing.
 
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Dominus Mortem

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Why didn't the mac team that design the butterfly keyboard get fired for created horrible things to the product?

Clearly you haven't been exposed to the CYA atmosphere of corporate America. It's not to easy to lay blame on a single individual in the highly politicized (and savvy) upper echelons of companies like Apple. I'm sure Ive had his hands in this, but good luck singling him out for it. And really, something like this is likely here due to the buy-in from more than one powerful being on the board and management team. And once a company has a head of steam on something as big a deal as a new keyboard, it can be amazingly difficult to de-rail it. Too many people with too much time, energy and money invested to just rear up and shelve it. Look how long it took and how much backlash it took to actually de-rail it? Multiple lawsuits and what, hundreds of thousands of complaints, if not millions? Folks can get stubborn. This stubbornness and unwillingness to admit failure is why that cursed Touch Bar is still with us, I'm sure.
 
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MacBookGamer

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I'm assuming nobody noticed dust or other particles under the keycap as you can't see it. Where you pulling up each key on the side to look under it somehow? or are you talking about the edge of each keycap?
You could see the membrane around the key cap.
 
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chrfr

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You could see the membrane around the key cap.
I don't think what you think you see is a membrane. I can't see anything like that on my 2018 MBP. Besides, the membrane sits below the butterfly mechanism, so what you might be seeing is the butterfly mechanism itself, but I can't see that either on mine.
 
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revmacian

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Why didn't the mac team that design the butterfly keyboard get fired for created horrible things to the product?
Imagine the workforce thinking: "If they fire people who make products that don't work out, then I'm not going to come up with new ideas. If it doesn't work out I'll lose my job."
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the employee makes it virtually unusable and prone to fail at a higher rate than any keyboard. This isn't taking risk and nothing to do with stifle innovation at all and it clearly did not go through strenuous testing.
The employees didn't know that when they came up with the idea. I'm sure they didn't sit around and say "Let's make something that will fail and cause customers to lose faith in us."
 
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iJustines

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Imagine the workforce thinking: "If they fire people who make products that don't work out, then I'm not going to come up with new ideas. If it doesn't work out I'll lose my job."
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The employees didn't know that when they came up with the idea. I'm sure they didn't sit around and say "Let's make something that will fail and cause customers to lose faith in us."

Those new ideas are so bad that people wouldn't consider innovation at all and it hurts the brand reputation. It's not acceptable and far worse than any apple product ever launched.
 
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revmacian

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Those new ideas are so bad that people wouldn't consider innovation at all and it hurts the brand reputation. It's not acceptable and far worse than any apple product ever launched.
Ok, let's imagine that you're right. What are you going to do with that now? What's done is done, we can't change it now. The best we can do now is learn from the past and move on.
 
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Fishrrman

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IJustines asks:
"Why didn't the mac team that design the butterfly keyboard get fired for created horrible things to the product?"

I'm wondering if this was one of the contributing factors to Jony Ive's departure from Apple...
 
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lambertjohn

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I can't be the only one, but did you notice how dust and other particles would get stuck under that plastic thing in the butterfly keyboards? It's almost impossible to clean. Not even compressed air would clean them out. The 16" no longer has this issue and won't look dusty in 6 months.
I'm glad Apple came out with the "membrane" keyboard. I love typing on it and I'm going to sorely miss it when it's completely gone. Sure, it's had its problems, but my 2018 Air has been flawless. I can fly on that keyboard, something I've never been able to do on any other MacBook I've ever owned. So gripe about it all you want; I think it's a great keyboard!! Millions of other MBP and Air users do too!
 
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kurtatx

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Taking risks is fine.

The problem is that apple evidently do not have a QA team any more.
The biggest problem is Apple is the only seller of Macs and the butterfly was the only keyboard. It's problematic for Apple to sell an unpopular keyboard.
 
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