So how do we backup with this iTunes?

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  1. SR 7 macrumors 6502

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    Someone said you can't do a back up of your phone on your computer via iTunes anymore so how exactly do we do this now then?
     
  2. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    Who said that? That’s not true. You still can.
     
  3. Huskieboy Suspended

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    You cannot download your apps to your phone from the computer anymore. You can still backup
     
  4. SR 7 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    What???? So now I need to use iCloud? Ugh.

    If I recall using iTunes it you were able to resume process on games but now we won't be able to via iCloud !

    So unnecessary. Can't fix important things like the iPhone X but they waste time on useless crap like this.
     
  5. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    What?? Why do you need to use iCloud? Please fully explain what information you have been told.
     
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  7. SR 7 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    okay so here...

    Where do I store my apps? when I restore an iPhone where do I get all my apps back from?

    Do i single handedly need to search every app in the appstore?

    before, I would just restore from my iTunes and boom, all the apps in 2 seconds are back on my phone.
     
  8. jhall8 macrumors 6502

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    Apple says that apps are available exclusively through the App Store.
     

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  9. TwitchyPuppy macrumors member

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    It still does that.
     
  10. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    Okay I understand the confusion. A little while ago (they changed it), when you did an iTunes restore from an iTunes backup, it downloaded all the apps from the app store, and not actually transferred them from iTunes. iTunes only restored the app data. So as long as you are restoring from a backup, you don't have to download the apps.
     
  11. SR 7 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    oh so it stays as is...

    So what exactly did they change? I read the link someone provided but I don't see what exactly is different in terms of iphones and restoring apps.
     
  12. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    To declutter iTunes. Trust me, I am not happy about it either. Now setting up a device as new is going to be a giant PITA. Its flat out stupid and makes our lives way more difficult.
     
  13. SR 7 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Why? can you explain so I know what to expect..thanks!
     
  14. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    To what part? First you were talking about backup, now you want to know restore as new?
     
  15. Bryan Bowler macrumors 68040

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    What are you not happy about? Nothing has changed in regards to setting up a new device. You can start from scratch or restore from a previous backup.
     
  16. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    When iOS introduced app splicing (different versions of universal apps - so that each device (iPhone or iPad) get only the files they need. What this did was prevented Apps stored in iTunes from updating the app across devices by syncing to iTunes (you could still download updated versions from the App store, which was also a pain, but less than not having them there at all).

    So you could restore from a backup, and anything in iTunes would sync back to your device - not just the app data, but the app itself. Now, iTunes backs up the App data, but not the app itself, which will need to be downloaded from the internet each time you restore. It takes longer and uses unnecessary data.
     
  17. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    Everything has changed with setting up a new device. You have to manually download each app from the App Store instead of clicking install in iTunes.. It is now extremely inconvenient and if you have an ISP that limits data, you are screwed. Even as mentioned above, restoring from backup requires you to download the apps and not just sync them from iTunes. Wastes more time and data.

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  18. Bryan Bowler macrumors 68040

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    And why is that difficult?
     
  19. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    You're kidding right? I have 250 apps. I have to search for each app in the App Store or my purchased tab, instead of just hitting install in iTunes. So no, you can't say nothing changed.
     
  20. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    It's not "difficult", its time consuming and a waste of bandwidth. I had all the apps in iTunes, and kept them up to date, ready to sync to my phone in case of a restore. Now, you don't have that option.
     
  21. Alrescha, Sep 19, 2017
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    I have read, but not verified, that you can still drag and drop apps even though the app manager is gone.

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  22. Bryan Bowler macrumors 68040

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    If you’re not restoring from a back-up, then instead of clicking install in iTunes, you can tap to install the app in the Purchased tab. You’re getting worked up over nothing. As for the majority of us, it’s great to see iTunes cleaned up. It was a crowded disaster before.
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    If you are in a country where wi-fi bandwidth is limited and expensive, then I can understand your concern. But the vast majority of the developed countries in the world do not have anything to worry about.
     
  23. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    Its really not as simple as you say. I have thousands of apps in my purchased tab over the last 10 years. I know have to write down the apps I use and then search for them on the new device. And no, the majority is not happy. Clearly you have not read the main-page thread. Removing Apps does not "clean-up" iTunes at all. It had its own tab. You could chose to ignore it if you wanted to.
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    Where do you get the .ipa? You can no longer download them.
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    You are aware that even in the USA, there are data caps on some ISP providers, right? It is not hard to use 250GB in a month (AT&T).
     
  24. Chupa Chupa macrumors G5

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    This change may or may not be as big of a PITA as it appears. But at best Apple screwed up by creating this confusion. It could have pared each segment in last weeks event to squeeze in these changes and crow about streamlining iTunes. Heck that intro to the event was too long anyway.

    But I will jump in head first b/c there are features in iOS 11 I've been looking forward too. The iTunes change will either be a none issue or will damage Apple rep as user oriented.
     
  25. Alrescha macrumors 68020

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    Granted, I do not yet know a mechanism to get new apps, but all my old apps are still sitting in the mobile applications directory.

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