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I have an i7 2017 iMac that sounds like a jet engine when the CPU is under load so it will be interesting to see how the M2 Pro Mini compares. If it's noisy enough to be annoying then I will be returning it.
this is my benchmark as well since we both have the i7 (2018). when the fan spins up to the 4000 RPM range under Lightroom/Photoshop for some tools for me the volume gets to the mid 50 dB's measured at the chassis (Handbrake conversions will get to 4400 RPM and ~60dB). if it stays under 50 dB for Lightroom I'll probably just keep it as it'll still be more performant than what I currently have. The applefeara.com review appears to state it doesn't get any louder than the upper 40 dB's for them with their testing.

But c'mon, didn't we kind of expect this to happen? They didn't just put off placing the M1 Pro in there for no reason.
 
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I was hoping this would be a quieter solution vs the Studio. Why is Apple able to keep the Macbook Pro quieter than the larger desktop solutions? It almost seems like noise is an afterthought for these desktop models, even with the additional space for cooloing.

If I do anything with a sustained load (video conversion, exporting etc.) on my MPB 14" M1 Pro the fan spins up with ease and isn't quiet.
 
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If I do anything with a sustained load (video conversion, exporting etc.) on my MPB 14" M1 Pro the fan spins up with ease and isn't quiet.
I have a 14” Mq MBP and it makes very little noise even when encoding under handbrake for hours.
 
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I have an i7 2017 iMac that sounds like a jet engine when the CPU is under load so it will be interesting to see how the M2 Pro Mini compares. If it's noisy enough to be annoying then I will be returning it.

I ordered with 10Gb ethernet so I won't have the machine for a few more weeks.
My 2017 i7 iMac is fairly audible under load, but far from a jet engine, even if meant hyperbolically. Then again, I once owned a "wind-tunnel" Powermac G4, so it's all relative.

On a side note, I find it amazing just how well this old computer has held up all of these years!
 
Wow what a first world problem. I think everyone has forgotten what it’s like to use PCs. Never once in my life have I heard a Mac that’s genuinely loud, even with the fans at full bore (Except a Mac Pro artificially boosted to max).

Just put it a little further away for crap’s sake.

And if you’re trying to record audio, why is your computer so close to your recording environment? Move it further away so you don’t get electrical interference.

How do you handle appliances? Or cars? Or children?
 
Just put it a little further away for crap’s sake.
People like to have their Macs nearby to access ports or simplify cable management.
When a 9 year old Mac Pro is whisper quiet with the fan at base 690 rpm but the Mac mini at the same 65 W power draw is ramping up the fan, this is worth mentioning.
I‘m not in the market for a new Mac but potential potential buyers should be able to discuss and decide for themselves if this is usefull information or not.
 
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People like the have their Macs near to access ports or simplify cable management.
When a 9 year old Mac Pro is whisper quiet with the fan at base 690 rpm but the Mac mini at the same 65 W power draw is ramping up the fan, this is worth mentioning.
I‘m not in the market for a new Mac but potential potential buyers should be able to discuss and decide for themselves if this is usefull information or not.
Said Mac Pro has something like 20 times the air volume so it doesn’t need faster fan speeds.

You will never find a machine as small as the Mini with that much sustained computing power and no fan noise. It ain’t happening. Basic physics.
 
This doesn’t sound good, but what can you expect from such a small fan. Noise really seems to be an afterthought for Apple, as someone said. I just hope some reviews will confirm a bearable noise level under heavy audio load, since this doesn‘t tax the GPU.
 
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This just in...

Computers make more noise the more they are pushed...

If one wanted (near) silent desktop performance:
  • Base Mn (w/new M2 Pro Mac mini cooling array) in Mac mini chassis
  • Mn Pro (w/aluminum heat sink) & Mn Max (w/copper heat sink) in Mac Studio chassis
  • Mn Ultra in Mac Pro Cube chassis
  • Mn Ultra & Mn Extreme in Mac Pro chassis
Overkill cooling at every level...
 
Typical Apple having to have one weird aspect that could be corrected (copper heatsink - the new 14 MBP has it on the Max models unlike the M1 14") for $5 but won't in order to drive sales of the higher end model for specific use cases. The Studio's coil whine rules it out so I guess it's hypothetical Mac Pro, 16" MBP (maybe, haven't seen intense audio tests of this), or bupkis.

Saying first world problem because you aren't in a noise sensitive environment is ridiculous - I assume you've never used a condenser or ribbon mic that needs an enormous amount of gain - and yes, people have computers in their studios. I have a synthesizer in my studio that I have to turn off when I record with a sensitive Mic because it'll pick the fans in it up. These are all first world problems, we're talking about multi-thousand dollar computers from a high end brand. But they're still valid problems nonetheless.

For day-to-day none of this matters but for recording specifically it's a huge deal and Apple has made one computer with Apple Silicon so far that fits the bill, or two if you count the M1 Mini which I don't because 32GB is a bare minimum for what I need, and ideally more.

I drilled holes and routed cables into another room for a PC but I don't want to spend a thousand dollars on Optical Thunderbolt cables and more hubs that can be flaky or introduce more latency which matters when using midi over usb for VI control. I need direct access to multiple thunderbolt ports for audio interfaces and I can't daisy chain them - it introduces all kinds of issues with audio gear and this is based on my personal testing multiple options trying to work with a hot & noisy 16" Intel Macbook Pro, not internet forums. Daisy chaining is a non-starter for audio, full stop.
 
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My 2017 i7 iMac is fairly audible under load, but far from a jet engine, even if meant hyperbolically. Then again, I once owned a "wind-tunnel" Powermac G4, so it's all relative.

On a side note, I find it amazing just how well this old computer has held up all of these years!
Try encoding with handbrake on yours for a straight hour and see how loud it is.

Hyperbolic? Yes.

Really really loud for a Mac? Also yes.

I’ve owned many many Macs going back nearly 20 years and my i7 iMac is the loudest one I have personally heard.
 
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My 2017 i7 iMac is fairly audible under load, but far from a jet engine, even if meant hyperbolically. Then again, I once owned a "wind-tunnel" Powermac G4, so it's all relative.

On a side note, I find it amazing just how well this old computer has held up all of these years!
Probably nothing is more tortuous than my old intel MBA 2019, the sound is loud and high-pitched
 
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Typical Apple having to have one weird aspect that could be corrected (copper heatsink - the new 14 MBP has it on the Max models unlike the M1 14") for $5 but won't in order to drive sales of the higher end model for specific use cases. The Studio's coil whine rules it out so I guess it's hypothetical Mac Pro, 16" MBP (maybe, haven't seen intense audio tests of this), or bupkis.

Saying first world problem because you aren't in a noise sensitive environment is ridiculous - I assume you've never used a condenser or ribbon mic that needs an enormous amount of gain - and yes, people have computers in their studios. I have a synthesizer in my studio that I have to turn off when I record with a sensitive Mic because it'll pick the fans in it up. These are all first world problems, we're talking about multi-thousand dollar computers from a high end brand. But they're still valid problems nonetheless.

For day-to-day none of this matters but for recording specifically it's a huge deal and Apple has made one computer with Apple Silicon so far that fits the bill, or two if you count the M1 Mini which I don't because 32GB is a bare minimum for what I need, and ideally more.

I drilled holes and routed cables into another room for a PC but I don't want to spend a thousand dollars on Optical Thunderbolt cables and more hubs that can be flaky or introduce more latency which matters when using midi over usb for VI control. I need direct access to multiple thunderbolt ports for audio interfaces and I can't daisy chain them - it introduces all kinds of issues with audio gear and this is based on my personal testing multiple options trying to work with a hot & noisy 16" Intel Macbook Pro, not internet forums. Daisy chaining is a non-starter for audio, full stop.
I remember the days of my intel MacBook Pro. That beast would run up the fans on a mildly hot day just recording in logic - not even mixing. Lol.

We are long past those days. Fan noise of a Mac mini not being pushed (fans at 1,100 rpm) is LOW. Place the condenser (I’m guessing cardioid polar pattern) away from the Mac mini and pointed at its null point. During the recording process, you will NOT pick up the fans.

My hope is that by buying the better cpu, I can run the Mac mini and well below its max threshold and keep the fans from spinning during mixing. Also, setting the buffer to 1024 should help to ease the load on the system. I think it is the graphics component and full pelt that makes the fans spin up, so is audio folk should be safe with this machine.

Remember, it’s the same fan as the Mac mini has had since forever. The only difference is the clock speed of this SOC running slightly faster and hotter (looks to be 3-5 watts during load). I hope that’s not going to affect the sound/fan noise too much
 
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I remember the days of my intel MacBook Pro. That beast would run up the fans on a mildly hot day just recording in logic - not even mixing. Lol.

We are long past those days. Fan noise of a Mac mini not being pushed (fans at 1,100 rpm) is LOW. Place the condenser (I’m guessing cardioid polar pattern) away from the Mac mini and pointed at its null point. During the recording process, you will NOT pick up the fans.

My hope is that by buying the better cpu, I can run the Mac mini and well below its max threshold and keep the fans from spinning during mixing. Also, setting the buffer to 1024 should help to ease the load on the system. I think it is the graphics component and full pelt that makes the fans spin up, so is audio folk should be safe with this machine.

Remember, it’s the same fan as the Mac mini has had since forever. The only difference is the clock speed of this SOC running slightly faster and hotter (looks to be 3-5 watts during load). I hope that’s not going to affect the sound/fan noise too much
I agree, it's important to test the specific use case for audio work. My condenser mics are omnidirectional (Stereo at all times) and very sensitive - I can pick up very low noise from a few rooms away if I have the door open. For dynamic Microphones like an SM7b or SM57 or something it's not an issue, for sure. The Intel stuff forget about it - recording a single VI in Kontakt playing live the fans got insanely loud in my 16" Intel... so annoying.

Going all out on handbrake for the testing will max the CPU, maybe GPU, and also the media engines which Audio tasks won't use. GPU possibly - UAD LUNA does use the GPU for rendering the UI, fairly heavily, but it might be OK. The M1 Mini was a huge hit with Audio folks who didn't need a lot of RAM so I'm hoping this will be pretty good as well, if you remember to I'd be interested in hearing your experience.

Depending on the price of the Mac Pro and what it offers I might wind up trying out an M2 Pro Mini later in the year, I'm with you that you want that one for more serious work and also having it work for 'less time' since it's more powerful - and since it has more efficiency cores that might make a big difference.
 
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Sure, but you can lower the noise level significantly by installing a bigger fan. I think a premium brand like Apple could show a bit more effort in this direction.
Apple has not paid attention to thermals/noise until recently. Think back to the Intel MBPs. Apple just let the chips throttle because they couldn’t be bothered to deisgn the chasis properly. I have accepted Macs will always be compromised on thermals and/or noise. AS has helped, but clearly Apple could go further with a bigger fan, etc. it’s still tiny in the M2 Pro.
 
My highly subjective thoughts on my base model Mac Mini Pro are that it's as quiet under load as I hoped it would be. I can barely hear the fan from normal distance when performing a couple of tasks that would have caused the fans in my Intel hackintosh to go into take-off mode:

1. An in-canvas render in Fusion 360 (multi-threaded CPU ray tracing on infinite quality after 10 minutes)
2. Rendering a timeline in DaVinci Resolve (GPU, admittedly only a 2 minute or so render)

To reduce background noise I turned off the central heating as well as my speakers, and closed the door to the reset of the house, but can still only hear that the fan is doing something if I put my ear right next to the computer.

In a sound-insulated room or a different set of tasks it might be completely different.
 
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