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so how stable is Catalina at the moment?

dapa0s

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I'm thinking of installing it, but I do a lot of important stuff on my mac, and it's the only one I currently have, so I'm not sure. I regretted installing iPad os (ios 13) on my iPad Pro, since it was filled with bugs. Is Catalina stable right now?
 
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tamaralig

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I've ben running it day 1 and I would not recommend putting it on any device you use for real work reasons. I messed up since I never had any beta problems over the years and did it with Catalina. Right now I'm trying to figure out what keeps causing the "apsd" aka Push Notification process to bog down my processor. It keeps re-indexing and I've excluded all my cloud and external storages. Last week I was plagued with unexplained crashes and restarts. I have to keep deleting the preferences for Illustrator and Photoshop to use them. My iCloud Drive is perpetually stuck saying it's uploading files it counts down to 5k then it goes back up to uploading 40k. I can't open files that have the "in iCloud" icon, nor preview them. I have to fully download the files to avoid freezing and having to force quit the program that it's being opened in. By far, this has been the most unstable beta I've ran in years. I know I know, it's beta but it shouldn't have been released when the most basic of things break, the glue that actually holds macOS together.
 
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TheSkywalker77

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If it’s your main work machine and you rely on it, never install a beta on it. Yes, you can restore to a Time Machine backup if anything goes wrong, but that’ll definitely slow down your workflow and is just an unnecessary hassle. Only two more months to wait though!
 
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LogicalApex

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I have it on my primary device and it's fine. I don't understand why people tend to over-exaggerate the beta risk. If you run into bugs, restore from time machine. Time is the only thing you have to be willing to put in if it doesn't run properly.

Time wasted dealing with beta issues, including restoring from a backup, can be avoided by waiting it out or putting it on a secondary device. Just as much as you think others are over-exaggerating beta risk I think you're underestimating the time cost of dealing with any serious beta bugs if a user happens to be impacted by one.
 
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EEzycade

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If you really want to try out the beta, I’d recommend installing it on a separate volume. This video will show you how. Full disclosure: it’s my video.
 
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matt_and_187_like_this

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Time wasted dealing with beta issues, including restoring from a backup, can be avoided by waiting it out or putting it on a secondary device. Just as much as you think others are over-exaggerating beta risk I think you're underestimating the time cost of dealing with any serious beta bugs if a user happens to be impacted by one.

This is exactly what I am saying. You have to be willing to put in the time. If you're not, then don't install it.
 
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dapa0s

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I decided not to install it, since I have the betas of ios installed across all my other devices. It would just be too much of a hassle if my macbook also became buggy.
 
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mikecwest

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I have it on my primary device and it's fine. I don't understand why people tend to over-exaggerate the beta risk. If you run into bugs, restore from time machine. Time is the only thing you have to be willing to put in if it doesn't run properly.

Some people “over exaggerate “ the beta oak, because likely they have been affected. The initial beta killed usb support in parallels. (That was fixed two weeks later.)

Now imagine you absolutely need that USB support for your daily activities. It isn’t over exaggerated at all, use caution, and if you have any “mission critical” use of your machine, then don’t install it.

I have an old MBP that I can fall back on if need be, but not everyone does.

My philosophy on the subject is, if you have to ask if it’s safe to install, then don’t install it.
 
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malko

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I typically start reading forum posts about user experiences after beta 3 and then install it myself when beta 4 is out. This has been my routine for several years and I still haven't had any major problem. Of course all my data is backed up.

I definitely wouldn't install beta 1 or 2 on anything but a spare machine though.
 
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jeyf

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apple just fired their head of engineering.

not to be a black rain cloud my self but everyone should wait for the reviews
unless you really really know what your doing
 
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haralds

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APFS makes it easy to create a second Volume and install on it. We are only in early beta. Do not run your main system on it. Having it as a secondary also makes fixing things easy. As new versions come out, sudden "curve ball" bugs can happen.

I have found trouble with Finder copies from iCloud to fixed storage with the current beta.

Towards the end of the beta cycle I normally use the Migration Assistant to move all my stuff. But due to the 64 bit only changes, I will likely do it manually this time. All user data on my system is on iCloud anyway.
 
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vaugha

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apple just fired their head of engineering.

not to be a black rain cloud my self but everyone should wait for the reviews
unless you really really know what your doing

Where'd you hear that? There's no way apple would make that kind of decisions public.
 
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tamaralig

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Dec 3, 2014
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This latest update is finally a lot better. Beta 4 thank you for giving me some hair back! My iCloud Drive is functioning, it finally uploaded almost 100GB of files off my drive. I haven't been plagued by hearing my processor run off the rails and that dreaded push notification process hasn't kicked in. The only thing I see going on now, one of the programs I had been using is now saying it needs admin process but no log in window appears and my Spotlight is reindexing again
 
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SKStrategia06

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Beta 4 seems to have fixed some long-standing issues with apps not appearing in Launchpad and third-party preference panes being unable to work. Despite issues with installation reported in this Beta, I believe the only direction Catalina will go from now on is forward and improved.
 
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