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So it looks like 2021 is the new 1998...

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Amethyst1

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I'll say one thing though - if I could use that 4480-by-2520 display with another machine via Target Display Mode (RIP!), I'd get one in blue 😂
 
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I just hope we can get colorful MacBooks as well. Then my money will be in. I like the new iMacs, but I won't be getting one because I need a computer I can take with me.

The iPad Pro certainly falls into this category. Just needs to see if iPadOS 15 will unlock more features out of this powerful hardware inside. And I need Adobe to come with a usable Adobe XD on iPad Pro. Current one is a joke. For now a colorful Macbook Pro is my desired machine.

As of now, the new iPad Pro is more than enough for my emulators. UTM has a long list of updates to do now...
 
The iPad lineup still exists because some people do not need a MacBook with a keyboard. The entry level MacBook Air exists because people wants an iPad with a keyboard. So the iPad Pro (with the smart keyboard) fills in that gap.

This is why I think macOS and iOS will never merge, but will coexist.

iPhone Mini iPhone iPhone Pro iPhone Pro Max iPad Mini iPad iPad Pro Macbook Air Macbook Pro Mac Mini iMac

I'd rather do:
iPhone (with Mini size) iPhone Pro (with Max size) - The Pro users generally tend to want a bigger size and better cameras. I don't, so I'm satisfied with a Mini.

iPad (11-inch) iPad Pro (12.9 inch). I would kill the iPad Mini because its just a bigger iPhone Pro Max. The iPad Pro is no useful with 11-inch for a designer, the bigger the screen the better to draw on it. Office workers will be fine on both models.

MacBook Air (12 inch), MacBook Pro (14 and 16 inch) This will probably happen in a future line up refresh. A MBA with 11 inch screen is just fighting for space with an iPad if both have a M1 chip.

Mac Mini - No changes

iMac (21, 24, 27 to choose from). No changes really. OK, maybe 32 inch model, but I see no use for it. Most people with a 32 inch screen tend to slap it in a wall with a VESA mount adapter, so the best model for them would be a Mac Mini, and a third party monitor, not a 32 inch iMac.
 
I can't choose a color. I don't know why.

I had a yellow iPhone 5C, I regretted it and went back to a black phone as always. But macs are different. You dont take them with you, except the MacBooks. If there is a color MacBook Pro, oh boy I hope they are easier to keep clean. This was one of the reasons why I regretted a white iPhone 4S and reverted to a black one. Any dirt or visible damage fires my OCD on.
 
I see no problem in them being not upgradable. As long as I buy the right model and the hardware stays intact - and considering how good I am at keeping my Macs and iDevices totally fine and zero damage, there will be no need to change or upgrade parts.

I can always sell them to buy newer.
 
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Bruninho said:
I see no problem in them being not upgradable. As long as I buy the right model and the hardware stays intact - and considering how good I am at keeping my Macs and iDevices totally fine and zero damage, there will be no need to change or upgrade parts.

I can always sell them to buy newer.
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I had the onboard OEM m.2 SSD blade on an early 2015 MacBook Pro fail catastrophically. Considering how subsequent MBPs actually have the SSD modules soldered to the board, the notion of throwing out the whole logic board (or the whole computer) because of failed storage is wasteful and troublesome as all get-out.

I do have a problem with strategic waste stream-loading - which is precisely what designing and engineering non-repairability/non-upgradeability into equipment generates.
 
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I see. Well I have never had a problem with that. I think that it just depends of your maintenance. My dads 2018 rMBP 15-inch is still going strong, no problems. And in that model it is soldered, AFAIK.

My 2013 second hand rMBP 13-inch can replace the SSD, but the whole rest of the computer is soldered. I have the computer since 2019 and so far, everything is working.

I’d recommend to check how well you do its maintenance.
 
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The colours are fine. I absolutely love colourful gear.

It’s what’s inside — all-proprietary, non-upgradeable, non-repairable and, thus, environmentally wasteful — which is the continuing problem.
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I agree. They look nice but I don't really want to buy something where everything is glued and soldered together. My old macs are still going strong - a couple of them due to the fact that I can open them up. Maybe I've just been watching too many Louis Rossmann videos, but I'm thinking I'll buy my next laptop largely based on repair/upgradability.
 
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I see. Well I have never had a problem with that. I think that it just depends of your maintenance. My dads 2018 rMBP 15-inch is still going strong, no problems. And in that model it is soldered, AFAIK.

My 2013 second hand rMBP 13-inch can replace the SSD, but the whole rest of the computer is soldered. I have the computer since 2019 and so far, everything is working.

I’d recommend to check how well you do its maintenance.
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I did its maintenance just fine, @Bruninho . It was hardware failure. Hardware failures happen, no matter how fastidiously you maintain and care for the equipment.

Further, I do not appreciate the way you cavalierly dismissed my experience with SSD failure and suggested I was somehow negligent.

Re-think this, @Bruninho .
 
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AL1630 said:
I agree. They look nice but I don't really want to buy something where everything is glued and soldered together. My old macs are still going strong - a couple of them due to the fact that I can open them up. Maybe I've just been watching too many Louis Rossmann videos, but I'm thinking I'll buy my next laptop largely based on repair/upgradability.
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As right-to-repair goes, Louis Rossman is a bad influence in the best possible way. 🐑
 
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Given how there's such a market for 1990s nostalgia, I wonder if these new iMacs are Apple's idea of a 1990s throwback? After all, they ARE the first non-Intel iMacs in 15 years, and when I first saw them the original iMac G3s were the first thing to come to my mind.
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Kinda seems like they are. The colors combined with the white bezel (also a feature of the G3) have a definite resemblance. Maybe next we'll get a throwback to the iMac G4!
IMO the design of these probably won't hold up too well once the current nostalgia wave passes, even now the reaction seems mixed.
 
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There is nothing to rethink. I just suggested to re-check your maintenance, I never accused you of bad maintenance.

From time to time I check myself if I am doing something wrong or if I forgot something in the list. I make a check list and go through to make sure I am doing it right (the maintenance). I can forget to do maintenance on something as well. For example I was reminded by my dad today that I should check the battery of my MacBook Pro, something I haven't been doing lately.

Now, if these MacBooks come with the same colors... The yellow MacBook Pro will be crazy.
 
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Given how there's such a market for 1990s nostalgia, I wonder if these new iMacs are Apple's idea of a 1990s throwback? After all, they ARE the first non-Intel iMacs in 15 years, and when I first saw them the original iMac G3s were the first thing to come to my mind.
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As with the original iMac fruit series, the offering of multiple bright colours as a purchasing option is designed to attract attention to what the company are offering in their consumer desktop line. The anodized aluminium rainbow spectrum has also appeared during the intervening years when Apple wanted to draw attention to their new lines of iPods and iPhones.

The main throwback element here is that the spectrum has returned to a product line other than a handheld device — and that line is also named “iMac”.
 
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There is nothing to rethink. I just suggested to re-check your maintenance, I never accused you of bad maintenance.

From time to time I check myself if I am doing something wrong or if I forgot something in the list. I make a check list and go through to make sure I am doing it right (the maintenance).

Now, if these MacBooks come with the same colors... The yellow MacBook Pro will be crazy.
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You may wish to consider that your “advice” was not helpful, nor was it solicited. It was also accusatory, no matter what your intent was.

One day, should your Mac hardware suffer a fault which cannot be repaired without replacing the entire device, I won’t be there to admonish you for your hardware failure. That’s because I know there was nothing you could have done to avoid its failure. 🤷‍♀️
 
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You may wish to consider that your “advice” was not helpful, nor was it solicited. It was also accusatory, no matter what your intent was.

One day, should your Mac hardware suffer a fault which cannot be repaired without replacing the entire device, I won’t be there to admonish you for your hardware failure. That’s because I know there was nothing you could have done to avoid its failure. 🤷‍♀️
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My Mac hardware will never fail on me, don't worry. In 11 years using Macs, iPads and iPhones, I have never had a hardware failure with them. Never had to replace any faulty hardware. I just tried to HELP you by telling how I check and re-check mine frequently, just so you could try to avoid it again too, like I usually do.

But know what? Forget it. Forget that I gave you an advice. I won't give any advice again for you, don't worry. Let's move on.
 
An advice to not give an unsolicited advice, funny. You broke your own advice, because I didn't ask for it too. Seems that your advice is not good then. Good night.
 
These aren’t lawnmowers, sharpening the blade regularly isn’t going to help extend the drive belt life on your ssd. Sometimes things just break, even if it hasn’t happened to you.

About only exception to this I can think of is not leaving laptop plugged into wall non stop as that can cause battery swelling, thats arguably non typical use as well. Not sure I’d call unplugging a cord maintenance though.
 
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These aren’t lawnmowers, sharpening the blade regularly isn’t going to help extend the drive belt life on your ssd. Sometimes things just break, even if it hasn’t happened to you.

About only exception to this I can think of is not leaving laptop plugged into wall non stop as that can cause battery swelling, thats arguably non typical use as well. Not sure I’d call unplugging a cord maintenance though.
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Well, I think that I just need to use the mac on battery power in some days, instead of keeping it plugged on the wall power every day. I have an holiday tomorrow, so I have time to do it with tranquility. I've just checked the values on mine right now and so far it is still good for an old battery in a Late 2013 second-hand macbook pro.

I bought it with 666 cycles in 2019 and as of now it has 678 cycles. It's still holding the charge for good hours. These 12 cycles all happened during the pandemic period, before the pandemic I was using my iPad Pro more than the Mac and at work I was using other Mac. And there were several powercuts/blackouts in this pandemic. One of them lasted a full 48 hours before the power came back in my street. I had even used the mac battery power to recharge my iPhone during the blackout, because I needed to make some work calls.

Certainly, and this being the first used/second-hand mac I own (until then I only had brand new macs), I would have to replace the battery at some point but I don't think I will do it, because there is more chance of me getting one of the M1 Macs first. But, for a second hand macbook, I haven't had any problem at all.

The previous owner apparently did not take very good care, because there are a lot of scratches on the bottom. But I don't care about the looks and anyway I never take a look at the bottom - I work with the Mac in clamshell mode, and a HDMI cable plugged into a 40" Samsung TV.

A 13-inch Intel i7 MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD with the price he was asking for was an opportunity too good to pass on. A brand new MacBook with the same specs in Brazil costs more than the double of what he was asking for. So I went for it and my experience with a second-hand Macbook Pro has been perfect so far.

Also, I noticed that the 1TB SSD is too much, I'd be fine with 256GB or 512GB because I am not using more than 100GB. Probably 512GB would be fine, I have an external SSD of 480GB for work related stuff and I am using 180GB so far - I used it at work and I brought it with me. The external is useful for me when I want to exchange files with my dad (or coworkers, when I was at office before the pandemic).

All in all, it's a good Mac. I've owned a 2010 MBP 13-inch, a 2014 MBA 11-inch, and never had a problem. The work Mac I was using was a 2015 rMBP 15-inch I think. It was certainly 15-inch, was one of the big models and had Catalina installed along with two Dell monitors plugged in (one for code, one for web browser inspector, and the main display for the actual web page I was developing. When I was not debugging code, the 2nd monitor had the XD prototypes for comparison with the actual result).
 
So your advice is to barely use and barely touch the hardware you have. Well yeah, that would increase its lifespan, no question. It'll all still break though. Everything does, no matter how well you keep it. It also sounds like you've traditionally gotten rid of things before they've had the chance to.

And gotten lucky. SSDs fail, not as often as hard drives, but they do fail. This is not an issue of maintenance. It never was.
 
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