So, what are you going to do now?

[mw360]

So, you watched the WWDC2016 Keynote, read the aftermath threads, how do you feel now about Macs and their future? Some people say they are switching now, or with their next purchase. If I do this right, it'll be a poll to see what's the real reaction.

 

[Mac Moof]

See the trouble is that Apple tells us nothing. If they said the Mac Pro is dead then fine i will move to Windows, but at the moment with no info, as soon as I spend my time and money moving they will will release and a big Mac Pro update and that will annoy me even more!

 

[MH01]

See the trouble is that Apple tells us nothing. If they said the Mac Pro is dead then fine i will move to Windows, but at the moment with no info, as soon as I spend my time and money moving they will will release and a big Mac Pro update and that will annoy me even more!

For me the hardware is not the issue. I'm with apple cause of the software, and they announced zero pro features for us Mac Pro / pro users . So updated hardware, if it comes ....is not the problem , OS X going consumer only is the problem.

I need an OS that meets my needs going forward.....and that annocuement was yesterday, I don't need new hardware to run OS X home edition.

 

[Pakaku]

I have happily stayed behind on 10.8 for the past few years on the laptop, and still see no incentive to update.

The desktop is still a Windows desktop, but I built it for the sake of having OSX as an option, so I may or may not test it out with this version. I keep all of the OS installers backed up so my choices are pretty open.

 

[mw360]

For me the hardware is not the issue. I'm with apple cause of the software, and they announced zero pro features for us Mac Pro / pro users . So updated hardware, if it comes ....is not the problem , OS X going consumer only is the problem.

I need an OS that meets my needs going forward.....and that annocuement was yesterday, I don't need new hardware to run OS X home edition.

Apple have a habit, possibly even a policy, of never showing anyone doing 'work' in the keynotes. They are always making albums, newsletters or buying movie tickets. It's up to us to read between the lines I guess, but this time I saw nothing. Everything is about integrating/sharing with iOS devices and using iCloud accounts, neither of which is desirable at a company-owned workstation, at least not in our company.

Metal could be nothing but trouble for us. It implies fading support for OpenGL which our software vendors rely on. OpenCL on OS X was a disaster too with many vendors reporting OpenCL/OSX is the worst supported GPGPU platform available, with terrible drivers and stonewalling devs. APFS might be useful, but if it was written by the same guys who manage our music libraries, then whoa, no thanks.

 

[phrehdd]

Take your pick for both software and hardware and you find that professionals are left somewhat on the back burner.


For a company that boasts so much financial capabilities, they are a failure in this venue by choice. We all have to live with it.

 

[OS6-OSX]

I'm going to put on my "tough face" and tough it out!

 

[zephonic]

I'm disappointed there were no new hardware introductions today, but despite the ridiculously disproportionate amount of time allocated to Messages, I think the new developments and general direction of the software is not something to complain about.

If there's no up-to-date MacPro (and a reasonably priced Thunderbolt drive chassis) by the time my 4,1 transitions to the Eternal Cloud, my next studio computer may be a Windows workstation. I've done it before, and can do it again, but I'd still keep a Mac around for everything else.

It is not perfect, but to have Macs, iDevices, Apple TV and Cloud services all working together in harmony (most of the time, anyway) is something that I haven't seen an alternative for.

The day may come that a Mac no longer suffices for my professional needs, but I only see them getting better for my consumer needs.

 

[rezwits]

I couldn't really put my vote in and say "I am going to stick with macs" because this debate has been over for a while. There will never be an Adobe Creative Suite 6 Master Collection for Linux, unless you use a virtual shell or wine or something. So Linux will always be lacking, because even if they make Creative Cloud for Linux, I will NEVER go back to Adobe CC. And Windows? really? The war is over, STILL... iOS tvOS macOS watchOS. Solid...

 

[pastrychef]

For me the hardware is not the issue. I'm with apple cause of the software, and they announced zero pro features for us Mac Pro / pro users . So updated hardware, if it comes ....is not the problem , OS X going consumer only is the problem.

I need an OS that meets my needs going forward.....and that annocuement was yesterday, I don't need new hardware to run OS X home edition.

I don't understand what pro features you were looking for. Apple made advancements in Metal and has a modern file system in macOS. But those were under the hood features that didn't get any stage time.

 

[MH01]

I don't understand what pro features you were looking for. Apple made advancements in Metal and has a modern file system in macOS. But those were under the hood features that didn't get any stage time.

Shortest answer . Apple delivered an update that was MacOS home edition. My number one "pro" feature is a stable OS at the moment, OS X is too buggy currently, and it's cause they are adding all this bloatware each year, and annual release cycles means they do not achieve a stable OS. My rMBP freezes radomly and reboots ..... Having to reduce auto-save times not knowing what it will crash next , is not a machine for work, though fine for consumers. Hardware wise the machine is perfect and rock solid running win 10.

I just want a rock solid release like snow leopard. When there was enough time between OS updates.

 

[OLDCODGER]

Still on Snow Leopard, where I will stay until the death of my early 2009 mini.

Then, will move no further than Mavericks.

Then linux to the end.

 

[pastrychef]

Shortest answer . Apple delivered an update that was MacOS home edition. My number one "pro" feature is a stable OS at the moment, OS X is too buggy currently, and it's cause they are adding all this bloatware each year, and annual release cycles means they do not achieve a stable OS. My rMBP freezes radomly and reboots ..... Having to reduce auto-save times not knowing what it will crash next , is not a machine for work, though fine for consumers. Hardware wise the machine is perfect and rock solid running win 10.

I just want a rock solid release like snow leopard. When there was enough time between OS updates.

I don't know what you have installed on your MacBook Pro but I've never had freezes on my systems due to OS X. I would try to track down the cause of your freezes and reboots.

To complain about Sierra's reliability before it's even released seems unfair. If your freezes and reboots are due to some other piece of software or driver or extension you have installed, it's doubtful that any new OS release will fix it. It sounds more like you are looking for fixes for your system rather than "pro features".

You may not like the consumer centric features that are being added, but apparently there are many who do. The best part about these features is that they are entirely avoidable if you don't like them.
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Still on Snow Leopard, where I will stay until the death of my early 2009 mini.

Then, will move no further than Mavericks.

Then linux to the end.

You may want to stick with Snow Leopard. There were graphics driver issues discovered in Mavericks that wasn't corrected until Yosemite.
http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,8206.0.html

 

[CJozef]

Heh, my Macbook Pro 17 is even not supported anymore. Well, If only I would want those new features (apart from wallpaper)...

 

[andyyau]

My rMBP freezes radomly and reboots ..... Having to reduce auto-save times not knowing what it will crash next , is not a machine for work, though fine for consumers. Hardware wise the machine is perfect and rock solid running win 10.

My Mac Pro 1,1 (2007) (with boot.efi hack) works perfectly with OS X El Capitan. I never have any issue.
The hardware are all old enough. But it just works without any fault.

 

[theluggage]

Really, its a case of what Apple are going to do now if they want my cash in the future. I have no desperate need to upgrade, and if my equipment fails the current rMBP would still feel like an upgrade. What Apple needs to do is produce something that makes me want to upgrade without waiting for an equipment failure.

My 2011 17" MBP does everything I need, really: I'm stuck on 10.9 because of my ExpressCard-to-USB3 adapter & because I use ScreenRecycler to run 2 external displays - but currently that's not really a problem, and its soluble via Thunderbolt devices. If it goes bang and I need a new machine overnight, then I wouldn't feel too bad about plumping for an existing rMBP.

Or, I've long been tempted by the 5k iMac - which was bumped to Skylake at the end of last year, so is relatively up to date. If I needed more power I'd have built myself a ludicrously overpowered Linux or Windows PC ages ago. However, I have grown to like having everything I need on a laptop that I can shuttle between home and work.

What is really holding me back, though, is the prospect of USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 and single-cable 5k support - I'd really like to know what is going to happen there. However, I'm not sure that the rest of the industry has sorted that out, either: it still seems to be undecided between USB-C (USB 3.1 + DisplayPort 1.2/1.3) and Thunderbolt 3 (TB3 + USB 3.1 + DisplayPort 1.2 only) and whether USB-C really will be the universal connector in the next few years, or if it will be just for phones.

Looking at PC hardware, nobody really seems to have embraced USB-C/TB3 apart from Google (and I don't want a Chromebook) and possibly the Dell XPS-15 - even there, they've gone for a single USB-C/TB3 socket as their charging port, effectively making USB-C purely a docking port. On the desktop, some motherboards have a single USB3/TB3 port alongside all the usual "port salad" (do I really need PS/2 or DVI-D? How about two video connectors of the same type so I can connect dual displays without silly permutations of cables?)

In the past, it would be Apple who nailed their colours to the tree and went all in for USB-C.

I'm wondering if Apple is holding off any radical changes until the situation stabilises.

If I was tempted, then its the Dell XPS 15 + their TB3 dock, or the Skull Canyon NUC - both at Apple-like price premiums.

I could live with Windows or Linux if I had too - probably Windows "front end" with Linux VMs.

The WWDC keynote would have been fine - major improvements to WatchOS (which is in its early days) and minor refinements to iOS and macOS (which is mature and doesn't need a massive annual overhaul) - if it wasn't for the fact that the Mac Pro, the Mac Mini and the rMBP are all crying out for updates & we need to know Apple's direction on USB-C/TB3.

If they'd announced that they were holding back on TB3 for another 6 months then I might have succumbed and ordered an iMac or a rMBP (which still attracts me more than a Dell).

 

[kiwipeso1]

Seems I will have to wait until after my 40th birthday to get a new Macbook Pro, then install Onyx on it asap.

 

[MH01]

I don't know what you have installed on your MacBook Pro but I've never had freezes on my systems due to OS X. I would try to track down the cause of your freezes and reboots.

To complain about Sierra's reliability before it's even released seems unfair. If your freezes and reboots are due to some other piece of software or driver or extension you have installed, it's doubtful that any new OS release will fix it. It sounds more like you are looking for fixes for your system rather than "pro features".

You may not like the consumer centric features that are being added, but apparently there are many who do. The best part about these features is that they are entirely avoidable if you don't like them.

Yup let's blame the user and the hardware . If you honestly believe OS X has been more stable and bug free since moving to annual releases, im not sure what you do with your machines, but that is not my experience. Let's agree to disagree, my and others issues do not go away cause you have different workflows and don't experience problems.

Given Apple has gone over the machine twice now and concluded its perfect, what fixes am I looking for ? Have you not read the posts on here recently about MacBooks freezing for no reason? Try a search, it's been widely discussed . Yup I am one of those , running latest updates.

 

[pastrychef]

If it were wide spread, I don't think there would be as many people on 1,1s and 2,1s jumping through hoops to get El Capitan installed.

I have an old aluminum MacBook from 2008 that runs 24/7 and doesn't freeze.

 

[OLDCODGER]

You may want to stick with Snow Leopard. There were graphics driver issues discovered in Mavericks that wasn't corrected until Yosemite.
http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,8206.0.html

Thank you very much for the heads up! I must treat my current mini with the utmost respect, doubling Ram to 8GB and installing an SSD when the HD dies.

 

[El_Kritiko]

I think with the release of macOS Sierra we will see new hardware. So we have to wait - again...
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Seems I will have to wait until after my 40th birthday to get a new Macbook Pro, then install Onyx on it asap.

Same to me. I decided to buy a luxury Watch for my 40th, one of those: http://www.porsche-design.com/en/For-Men/Timepieces/1919-Eternity/
The designer also has used the "Bauhaus"-design for the clock face. Not only Apple can do this ;-)

@Apple
Sorry, do not want to wait until I see my grave. Decided to "waste" my money for something which I can use now!

 

[Beardy man]

I've been a Mac user from the start. As a Graphic Designer, the whole industry was 100% Mac back in the day (apart from reception desk and the accounts dept with their windows boxes so they could run Sage). Over the last half dozen years I've seen PC's make steady inroads into all the studios I've worked in to the point that now there are PC only studios without a Mac in sight (ironically, usually an iMac in reception to try and look cool!). I'll keep my cMP running at my home studio as long as I can but when/if it fails I'll be (reluctantly) jumping ship. I've used enough Workstations in my freelance role to see that the "benefits" of a Mac are no longer worth all this speculative waiting and the inevitable cost increases. It pains me to say that when I freelance in studios these days I'm expected to use a PC- so different to even 5 years ago.

 

[sigmadog]

Still on Snow Leopard, where I will stay until the death of my early 2009 mini.

Then, will move no further than Mavericks.

Then linux to the end.

I made the leap from Snow Leopard to Mavericks last year. I see no reason to go any further - unless my software requirements change, or I'm forced by a client to update (for whatever reason). I'm trying to coast on my current set up for six years until I (hopefully) retire, then I''ll probably get a simple Windows setup.

 

[CapnDavey]

I just made the jump to a 4.1 yesterday to find out it isn't supported unless I flash it to 5.1. Looking at the new OS do I really want it its more like I OS for mac then Mac OS

 

[gdeusthewhizkid]

My Mac Pro 1,1 (2007) (with boot.efi hack) works perfectly with OS X El Capitan. I never have any issue.
The hardware are all old enough. But it just works without any fault.

I've never had much luck getting that to work for me.. Any links you could suggest...