So... What excuses the year delay?

Darajavahus

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I just can't even with this update, it's just crazy, it's like they made it year ago but forgot to release, like somebody there a few days ago just noticed.
The GPUs are the same, the X means nothing, navi is just around the corner, so iMac next year gonna have it after the PlayStation 5, all the CPUs are 8th gen just beside the top one, literally nothing excuses it not being updated year ago, only difference it would have had then 8700K instead of the i9. This should have been a year ago AND with iMac Pro cooling, and webcam. I hope youtubers gonna go savage reviewing this update. And the image with the half bezels is just nail in the coffin, feels like a conspiracy theory, or are they literally laughing at us.
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I can't believe I waited for two years for nothing, my late 2012 is over two years on external ssd because internal hdd died, anyway it was so painfully slow it was torture for years, also I had to buy an external audio interface and speakers, coz internal just stopped working and headphone out, there also these ugly dust smudges in the display corners, there are frequent shutdowns now, the GPU are complettely useles, especially the 512MB cripples it, freaking Sims 4 on low setting are unplayable, I could go on and on about issues with it.
 
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Darajavahus

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Apple is just ridiculous sometimes. And 8GB RAM for $2300 computer? Estupido. My 2013 MBP has 8GB standard. 5 years ago for a mobile. But somehow this is right 5 years later on a desktop. These guys are just nuts!
My base 2012 iMac has 8GB, SEVEN years ago! (end even then it often got completely filled up, doing nothing fancy, just like opening folder with photos on external hdd, and when it did it got so slow it literally got a couple of minutes to drag the cursor to restart. Next versions of OS X improved RAM management a lot, but even now swap memory gets up to over 10GB, and all I'm doing is watching youtube or netflix on safari because can't bring myself to work on photoshop or illustrator or anything coz it's so slow.) Yeah, complete nuts! 16GB RAM and 256 if not 512 SSD should be standard years ago.
 
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kschendel

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Why are you raging at Apple because Intel is still on 14nm+++++ and the same micro-architecture as they had in 2014? Intel Coffee Lake Refresh is only marginally better than Skylake, Kaby Lake, etc etc. This is Intel's fault, not Apple's.
 
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Darajavahus

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Why are you raging at Apple because Intel is still on 14nm+++++ and the same micro-architecture as they had in 2014? Intel Coffee Lake Refresh is only marginally better than Skylake, Kaby Lake, etc etc. This is Intel's fault, not Apple's.
That's the thing, this update is not delayed because of Intel, 8th gen Intel released in late 2017. I was suspecting the delay was because of AMD NAVI because it will be budget Radeon 600 series update to the 500, yet even thought Navi is right around the corner they still using 2016 Polaris anyway, so I cannot think of a reason for the year delay. And yes even though intel is on 14nm++++++++++ the 50% increase in cores is a big deal, Apple did not change the cooling anyway so what was the wait for?
 

Mikael H

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iMac itself didnt change since 2012.
The case design language hasn’t changed, and you should be glad about that, since the alternative would most likely have been even more thermal issues than people already complain about in the higher-end models - or all-SSD iMacs (similar to the iMac Pro line) economically out of reach for most current customers.
 

loybond

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ARM is probably not right around the corner, but possibly 1-2 years out. At this point its still rumours and speculation, nothing more. Even after they announce the change, it will take a while to transition. Only Apple's own apps will work natively at first. I can only imagine how long Adobe will take to make a new suite.

My 2015 5K is running fine but I am thinking of a new iMac. The one I would buy is about $3600. But how long will it be viable for? Is a ARM iMac just around the corner?
[doublepost=1553050363][/doublepost]It's just a spec bump, they used to do this once, and even twice a year sometimes. Its a good thing, it means you're getting the latest stuff (as you should) when you buy. At least there's a 9th gen CPU option and discrete GPUs are standard, unlike the Mini.

I just can't even with this update, it's just crazy, it's like they made it year ago but forgot to release, like somebody there a few days ago just noticed.
The GPUs are the same, the X means nothing, navi is just around the corner, so iMac next year gonna have it after the PlayStation 5, all the CPUs are 8th gen just beside the top one, literally nothing excuses it not being updated year ago, only difference it would have had then 8700K instead of the i9. This should have been a year ago AND with iMac Pro cooling, and webcam.
 

Darajavahus

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For those who don’t need more than 8 GB, why force them to pay for extra?
What? We obviously are talking about at the same price. And upgrades should be literally half the price, everyone knows Apple ram is a scam, easiest to see where they charge the same for ram in regular iMac as in iMac pro which has ECC memory which actually is a lot more expensive.

Eight gigabytes is still plenty for most people. We are past the point where more RAM is always better.
I am not working on rockets, or edit 8K movies, 90% of the time just mail, iTunes and web browser with few tabs and it's full. Anyway, iMac is not a PC for most people, if someone buys 27" iMac and only uses like facebook then they are not sane, for "most people" there are PCs 1/10th of the price.
 

ThisBougieLife

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That top picture looked doctored. That isn't just a flattering angle. That's a shrunken bezel that doesn't reflect reality.

9to5mac wrote an article on the iMac redesign speculation:

https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/19/imac-redesign-speculation/
I'm not sure I buy that a redesigned iMac will come out alongside the Mac Pro, as the Mac Pro will be here this year (Apple actually said it would be 2019), but this update today probably means a redesign of the iMac won't be coming until 2020.

That said, I do think the redesigned iMac will resemble the standalone display. I'm not too interested in ultra-wide though :confused: 4K is the perfect resolution for me. I'd love a 21.5" 4K 120 Hz panel with smaller bezels and chin. That would be my dream iMac.
 
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chabig

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What? We obviously are talking about at the same price. And upgrades should be literally half the price.
What makes you entitled to more for the same price? Do you have special insight into Apple's logistical chain and component costs?
I am not working on rockets, or edit 8K movies, 90% of the time just mail, iTunes and web browser with few tabs and it's full.
Of course it's full. RAM exists to be used, and the OS will always use whatever is available.
 

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I just can't even with this update, it's just crazy, it's like they made it year ago but forgot to release, like somebody there a few days ago just noticed.
The GPUs are the same, the X means nothing, navi is just around the corner, so iMac next year gonna have it after the PlayStation 5, all the CPUs are 8th gen just beside the top one, literally nothing excuses it not being updated year ago, only difference it would have had then 8700K instead of the i9. This should have been a year ago AND with iMac Pro cooling, and webcam. I hope youtubers gonna go savage reviewing this update. And the image with the half bezels is just nail in the coffin, feels like a conspiracy theory, or are they literally laughing at us.
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I can't believe I waited for two years for nothing, my late 2012 is over two years on external ssd because internal hdd died, anyway it was so painfully slow it was torture for years, also I had to buy an external audio interface and speakers, coz internal just stopped working and headphone out, there also these ugly dust smudges in the display corners, there are frequent shutdowns now, the GPU are complettely useles, especially the 512MB cripples it, freaking Sims 4 on low setting are unplayable, I could go on and on about issues with it.
Apple customer will be used to changing reaction from ‘WOW’ to ‘Well...better than one more cycle late’
 

mavericks7913

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The case design language hasn’t changed, and you should be glad about that, since the alternative would most likely have been even more thermal issues than people already complain about in the higher-end models - or all-SSD iMacs (similar to the iMac Pro line) economically out of reach for most current customers.
You dont understand what you are saying.
 

Steve121178

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It's a very lazy update as the iMac is long overdue a design refresh. If you are not tied to the Apple ecosystem then the iMac is not a wise purchase with the huge advancements in the PC industry.

I don't think the iMac justifies it's premium price any more like it did in late 2012 when I bought mine when they last refreshed the design.
 

richinaus

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Protect the iMac Pro. An 8 core iMac for $2000 cheaper with sufficient cooling?...yeah that might put a dent into those $5k+ iMac Pro sales.
Yep I wouldn’t want to be pushing these i9 in that chassis without the pro cooling. My old imac was terrible for fan noise compared to the pro.
 

Mikael H

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It's a very lazy update as the iMac is long overdue a design refresh. If you are not tied to the Apple ecosystem then the iMac is not a wise purchase with the huge advancements in the PC industry.

I don't think the iMac justifies it's premium price any more like it did in late 2012 when I bought mine when they last refreshed the design.
From a pure raw performance per dollar perspective, Macs in general have very rarely been a ”wise purchase”. What you pay for, is in effect a Unix computer that ”just works” (go ahead and nitpick away on this one), and integration with the Apple ecosystem. In the iMac specifically you also pay for a beautiful screen that still would be a damn expensive piece of kit if you bought one separately. And of course you pay through your nose for any disk or memory upgrades you’d like.

Whether it justifies its price is pretty much up to how much you like macOS, or - as the case may be - how much you dislike the alternatives. As you’re on this forum I assume you found it worth it back in 2012, and as you haven’t upgraded your iMac since, I guess you either moved on to other Mac models or still - after 7 years - feel the computer fulfills your needs sufficiently that you don’t feel an acute need to upgrade, which is impressive enough, if you ask me. If the latter is true, the cost per month of your iMac hasn’t been terribly high at all.
 

xgman

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Since then it has gone down further to about 8%. I would assume the imac portion of the 8% is pretty low with macbooks making up most of that. And now, Apple is looking to make most of it's future profits from services. So imac design r&d is simply not a big priority for Apple to begin with.
 
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