So why doesn’t Apple just offer the option to allow people to downgrade to iOS 10.2...?

[jrdatrackstar1223]

I never understand Apples moves sometimes. Instead of dealing with all this lawsuit backlash and acting like they can’t do anything, they could simply offer people the option of downgrading their device to a prior version if they choose to maintain the performance of their choosing. A full disclosure informing customers the risks associated with it (ie being transparent like they should have been from the start) would avoid more of the nonsense they’ve caused and customers would be happy and have options.

People have wished Apple would allow them to downgrade to previous versions anyway, now would be the perfect opportunity to kill 2 birds with one stone.

Wishful thinking I guess...

 

[JPack]

How else can they convince consumers to upgrade? Your grandma’s iPhone 6 works fine? Not anymore.

 

[jrdatrackstar1223]

[doublepost=1513922112][/doublepost]

How else can they convince consumers to upgrade? Your grandma’s iPhone 6 works fine? Not anymore.

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or real lol ...


There are those who update to the newest update yearly:

Those who get the newest phone model,

Developers,

Others who really could care less and just update

 

[JPack]

There are those who update to the newest update yearly:

Those who get the newest phone model,

Developers,

Others who really could care less and just update
[doublepost=1513922112][/doublepost]

For many consumers, speed is the only reason they’re upgrading.

Compared to iPhone 6, iPhone 8 and X offer nothing substantially different in terms of usability. An app that runs on iPhone 8 runs on iPhone 6.

Want better way to encourage consumers to upgrade than to slow down old phones. Most people don’t even know iPhone batteries can be replaced.

 

[jrdatrackstar1223]

For many consumers, speed is the only reason they’re upgrading.

Compared to iPhone 6, iPhone 8 and X offer nothing substantially different in terms of usability. An app that runs on iPhone 8 runs on iPhone 6.

Want better way to encourage consumers to upgrade than to slow down old phones. Most people don’t even know iPhone batteries can be replaced.

Yea that’s the issue. Unless this lawsuit actually sticks (which we all know won’t happen), Apple is intentionally doing that and not having to face the reprocusions.

 

[C DM]

I never understand Apples moves sometimes. Instead of dealing with all this lawsuit backlash and acting like they can’t do anything, they could simply offer people the option of downgrading their device to a prior version if they choose to maintain the performance of their choosing. A full disclosure informing customers the risks associated with it (ie being transparent like they should have been from the start) would avoid more of the nonsense they’ve caused and customers would be happy and have options.

People have wished Apple would allow them to downgrade to previous versions anyway, now would be the perfect opportunity to kill 2 birds with one stone.

Wishful thinking I guess...

They don't support previous versions with security other other updates. To allow downgrading would open them up to deal with it all in the sense of needing to provide at least security if not all kinds of other updates and support for older versions.

As far a the particular throttling part of it goes, the main thing there is the potential instability of batteries, so if they allow people to go to those versions that don't have the power management changes in it then some people can experience other potential issues like sudden unexpected shutdowns.

 

[jrdatrackstar1223]

They don't support previous versions with security other other updates. To allow downgrading would open them up to deal with it all in the sense of needing to provide at least security if not all kinds of other updates and support for older versions.

As far a the particular throttling part of it goes, the main thing there is the potential instability of batteries, so if they allow people to go to those versions that don't have the power management changes in it then some people can experience other potential issues like sudden unexpected shutdowns.

Right I get that, which is why I said they would have to disclose that information and have customers sign agreements that acknowledge these things. Downgrading would put them at risk for things, but at least they have the option.

Or they could just give users the choice to turn it on or off like others have recommended. I guess I was thinking they can kill all the hate from this “feature”, but also satisfy those who hate iOS 11 (and Apple knows everyone hates iOS 11).

 

[Lop1]

It seems you never had to manage large software product. Support two versions is nearly twice the work, so would you like an IPhone X at 2000$ ?

 

[jrdatrackstar1223]

It seems you never had to manage large software product. Support two versions is nearly twice the work, so would you like an IPhone X at 2000$ ?

You wouldn’t support something they signed and agreed to downgrading to....

Again...missing the point...


Customers sign and agree to downgrade, acknowledging that they will be on RISKY SOFTWARE and that Apple is not responsible or liable for what happens next....


Hence...the need to SIGN an AGREEMENT (like I originally stated...)


The agreement would state that the customer doesn’t want to follow Apple’s recommendations to update to the latest, thus freeing them from liability. Software updates are provided for free by Apple so they are already doing a service by continuing to update older phones. Customers who update but do not like the update because it slows their phone down (or they might hate iOS 11) could have that option.

EDIT: This keyboard is so horrible, I’ve had to make so many freaking edits on this post...

 

[Paddle1]

There's no need to make it so complicated. If they wanted to all they'd have to do is add a toggle in an update. With a few words explaining the risks.

 

[jrdatrackstar1223]

There's no need to make it so complicated. If they wanted to all they'd have to do is add a toggle in an update.

I agree, I was just thinking about how Apple has had to deal with so much negative press anyway with iOS 11 as it is, why not just let ppl downgrade. That would also save them from having to code, push to developers through betas, etc.

Either or, as long as they start being more transparent or providing options since we obviously can’t trust the “Apple way” anymore...

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

This may come as a surprise. But corporations are in the business of making as much money as possible. Giving a consumer a device that will last 10 yrs runs contra to that. Giving a consumer a device that forces them to upgrade every. Or every other year. That’s how they make money.

 

[jrdatrackstar1223]

This may come as a surprise. But corporations are in the business of making as much money as possible. Giving a consumer a device that will last 10 yrs runs contra to that. Giving a consumer a device that forces them to upgrade every. Or every other year. That’s how they make money.

I understand, and that is true, but now that people know that shouldn’t Apple do something to convince customers otherwise now? I’m still of the belief that people will buy the latest device no matter what goes on with the software. They have so many followers and they know it, but yes they are in the business of making money first.

I mean you have the news spreading everywhere of what they did, people suing them (which won’t hold up), etc. You would think they would do something to try to mitigate the damage this has caused with customer relations.

 

[KGB7]

You wouldn’t support something they signed and agreed to downgrading to....

Again...missing the point...


Customers sign and agree to downgrade, acknowledging that they will be on RISKY SOFTWARE and that Apple is not responsible or liable for what happens next....


Hence...the need to SIGN an AGREEMENT (like I originally stated...)


The agreement would state that the customer doesn’t want to follow Apple’s recommendations to update to the latest, thus freeing them from liability. Software updates are provided for free by Apple so they are already doing a service by continuing to update older phones. Customers who update but do not like the update because it slows their phone down (or they might hate iOS 11) could have that option.

EDIT: This keyboard is so horrible, I’ve had to make so many freaking edits on this post...

How many people read the Apple agreement? 0.001% give or take?

 

[jrdatrackstar1223]

How many people read the Apple agreement? 0.001% give or take?

That’s what the contract is there for. Apple would let them know, that wouldn’t be their fault people signed and downgrading because they offer a different alternative. It would then be on the customer. It would have to be pretty obvious and you would know what you’re signing if you’re going that far to downgrade.

 

[BenTrovato]

Just be lucky you can replace the battery and get the performance back. One day it won't be this way. Hopefully by then there are better companies out there making better products. I think this was a dumb move by Apple. Think different - - juice the customers when the juice dies from the battery.

 

[stanleyxu2005]

"Reset to Factory settings" means to reset phone exactly like when we bought it, doesn't it?

I understand downgrading might lose user data, I don't see any technical problem to build a clean phone using iOS 10. I have damaged at least two old phones by upgrading unexpectedly (Pressed the reset to factory feature). They was so good for taking phone calls, or running old apps. But now they are slow and expensive garbage, lying on my desk...

Is it possible to start a lawsuit against Apple about not allowing user to downgrade? Call for other victims!

 

[TETENAL]

They don't allow it because they don't provide security fixes for old iOS versions. So the old iOS version is not secure.

Apple just hasn't got the money to backport security fixes to an old iOS version.

 

[Paddle1]

Apple just hasn't got the money to backport security fixes to an old iOS version.

I'm sure they do, they just don't want to. It's easier for them plus they want you on the latest firmware.

 

[FeliApple]

But isn't it the same on Macs? They offer security updates for older OS versions, but at some point it stops. And oh, how magical, you can continue to downgrade to the version that was first installed.
I can make the same argument for iOS: are devices supported forever? No. Then, Apple is making my device insecure. An iPod Touch 5G on iOS 9 is insecure. However, I cannot update to have the latest security fixes, can I? So: what's the harm on allowing downgrading? That Tim wouldn't be able to boast updating statistics?

 

[az431]

I never understand Apples moves sometimes. Instead of dealing with all this lawsuit backlash and acting like they can’t do anything, they could simply offer people the option of downgrading their device to a prior version if they choose to maintain the performance of their choosing. A full disclosure informing customers the risks associated with it (ie being transparent like they should have been from the start) would avoid more of the nonsense they’ve caused and customers would be happy and have options.

People have wished Apple would allow them to downgrade to previous versions anyway, now would be the perfect opportunity to kill 2 birds with one stone.

Wishful thinking I guess...

1. It results in a fragmented ecosystem like Android, where apps are only compatible with certain iOS versions
2. Older iOS versions are less secure
3. Reduces costs

There is simply no benefit to allowing people to downgrade to older iOS versions other than to address conspiracy theories and fix imaginary problems.

 

[FeliApple]

1. It results in a fragmented ecosystem like Android, where apps are only compatible with certain iOS versions
2. Older iOS versions are less secure
3. Reduces costs

There is simply no benefit to allowing people to downgrade to older iOS versions other than to address conspiracy theories and fix imaginary problems.

I agree with your three points about the disadvantages of allowing downgrading. I don't think I agree with "fix imaginary problems." They are not imaginary. Issues do occur due to updating. Some people don't have issues. Some do. You can't affirm nobody has problems and that they are 'imaginary.' Performance issues can be documented by direct comparisons between a device in its original version and one updated as far as it can go.

 

[stevemiller]

But isn't it the same on Macs? They offer security updates for older OS versions, but at some point it stops. And oh, how magical, you can continue to downgrade to the version that was first installed.
I can make the same argument for iOS: are devices supported forever? No. Then, Apple is making my device insecure. An iPod Touch 5G on iOS 9 is insecure. However, I cannot update to have the latest security fixes, can I? So: what's the harm on allowing downgrading? That Tim wouldn't be able to boast updating statistics?

this x1000.

people can argue/insult all they want, but at the end of the day, apple's existing approach is driving me away from them. I'm at the tipping point of rather having an android that never gets updated vs an apple device that can never be downgraded.

I'm not living on the cutting edge of what people think they need from a smartphone. I was perfectly served by a 4S, and every single iOS hardware purchase since has been to regain the baseline performance for basic tasks that have degraded as all the new bells and whistles have weighed down the OS - apparently needing hardware 10x more powerful to do things like tap a button, or type without 10 seconds of input lag.

 

[H3LL5P4WN]

I never understand Apples moves sometimes. Instead of dealing with all this lawsuit backlash and acting like they can’t do anything, they could simply offer people the option of downgrading their device to a prior version if they choose to maintain the performance of their choosing. A full disclosure informing customers the risks associated with it (ie being transparent like they should have been from the start) would avoid more of the nonsense they’ve caused and customers would be happy and have options.

People have wished Apple would allow them to downgrade to previous versions anyway, now would be the perfect opportunity to kill 2 birds with one stone.

Wishful thinking I guess...

This is iOS. We don't do fragmentation like those green bubble people.

 

[Septembersrain]

This is iOS. We don't do fragmentation like those green bubble people.

I'm both a green bubble person and an iMessage one. Fragmentation or not, honesty is the best policy.

Not waiting until everyone is up in arms to give a statement.

Right now I'll take android fragmenting all over the place.