Soldered RAM, Soldered everything wtf?

[Barna Biro]

Thats funny I thought you were gone after your Troll post and your elitist attitude.

No, I tend to revisit the crime scene. Of course, whoever states that people who overspend for stuff they don't really need and / or can't afford to maintain / service are morons, is clearly an elitist... perhaps I should bitch / cry more about stuff too to blend in? I think I'm happy being an elitist, if that's what being an elitist means...

 

[oldmacs]

Your reasons for purchasing a Mac are clearly subjective ( at least, that's what all your statements add up to until this point in time ). That's my point and that's the thing you're clearly having a very, very hard time accepting / admitting. You can spend your money however you please...

You could have ended this discussion long ago by simply saying that you got a Mac because you really wanted a Mac although you knew what disadvantages ( in your opinion ) the current models come with + one of your hobbies is to bitch / cry about the lack of user replaceable components.

There's a simple way out, either stop posting or stop trying to make your decision seem as if it was a rational / pragmatic one, when it clearly wasn't. Simple as that... Of course, you're free to continue posting, we'll eventually anyway stop replying... for now at least, I still find this discussion entertaining.

Again, false. You can't do the majority of what i do in my various freelance jobs I use to support myself without a Mac.

I bought a Mac because A. it was the most convenient thing to do, given all my uni work is in iWork. All my video projects are in final cut pro, all my photos from the last 10 years are highly organised in iPhoto. B) I prefer using OS X. C) I need it for the majority of my tech constancy D) Why the hell would I repurchase a whole heap of games and software on Windows.

And your hobby is to bitch and be arrogant about other people's needs and requirements (especially when you don't even know anything about the person you're talking to). Get off your high horse.

My decision was a rational one. When I actually handed the money over in September of 2012, there were certain practical and rational reasons to buy a Mac. Fast forward to Apple replacing my laptop in July 2015, using a mac remains a rational decision for me, as I'm still doing the same things with my laptop and as a result selling that Laptop to a family member and buying one that better suited my needs (and left me with left over money).

 

[oldmacs]

overspend for stuff they don't really need and / or can't afford to maintain / service are morons

Which is hilarious, as I got a Macbook that best suited my needs for the cheapest price. $1200 cheaper than it would have been.

 

[Barna Biro]

Again, false. You can't do the majority of what i do in my various freelance jobs I use to support myself without a Mac.

Strong statements there... but yeah, I'm just an elitist jerk, what do you I know? I'm confident you're a brilliant mind, a genius and us, mortals, can't do a quarter of the stuff you can. Then you continue motivating your purchase, again with *hard facts*, saying how convenient it is for you to use iWork, to have your photos nicely organized in iPhoto and how you prefer OSX.

Yes, all of this completely non-emotional, convenient and preferred stuff led to a very rational and objective purchase. Everything makes complete sense now. Final Cut Pro can clearly not export to any other format that non-OSX software could import, iPhoto can clearly not export your albums, etc. etc. etc. and those few hours ( perhaps less ) of work it might take you to migrate your stuff is definitely a huge hassle ( oh wait, I forgot for a second that you couldn't migrate your stuff even if you wanted to... it's technically impossible ) Yep, you can clearly never, ever, ever use anything but a Mac... no notebook running Windows, Linux or whatever could run / emulate OSX, neither are they cheaper than Macs or certain models more upgradable or more performant. Nothing left to do than to bitch about Apple soldering stuff...

Everything sounds legit, thanks for opening my eyes.

*fingers crossed that Apple hears what you're asking from them on Macrumors and they make RAM / SSD user-replaceable once again*

 

[nStyle]

Haven't read the thread, but I'll throw my in 2 cents.

The way technology has been going, upgradeability, while still desirable, has become less and less relevant. Components are lasting longer than they were 10 years ago (in terms of obsolescence) and people have less reasons to upgrade since chips really aren't improving at the same pace that they were. I'm perfectly fine with having the thinnest and most streamlined product out there even if it means having to replace it every 5-10 years. And I really do think I can get easily 7-10 years out of my late 2013 13" rMBP sans internal failures (which I'm not worried about).

 

[oldmacs]

Strong statements there... but yeah, I'm just an elitist jerk, what do you I know? I'm confident you're a brilliant mind, a genius and us, mortals, can't do a quarter of the stuff you can. Then you continue motivating your purchase, again with *hard facts*, saying how convenient it is for you to use iWork, to have your photos nicely organized in iPhoto and how you prefer OSX.

Yes, all of this completely non-emotional, convenient and preferred stuff, let to a very rational and objective decision. Everything makes complete sense now. Final Cut Pro can clearly not export to any other format that perhaps a non-OSX software could import, iPhoto can clearly not export your albums, etc. etc. etc. and those ( perhaps ) few hours of work it might take to migrate your stuff is definitely a huge hassle ( oh wait, I forgot for a second that you couldn't migrate your stuff even if you wanted to... it's technically impossible ) Yep, you can clearly never, ever, ever use anything but a Mac... no notebook running Windows, Linux or whatever could run / emulate OSX, neither are they cheaper than Macs or certain models more upgradable or more performant. Everything sounds legit, thanks for opening my eyes.

*fingers crossed that Apple hears what you're asking from them on Macrumors and they make RAM / SSD user-replaceable once again*

I can't convert my years of Final Cut Pro projects directly to another editor and preserve the projects. No other software imports from the iPhoto format and preserves faces, albums, events, photo books, slideshows etc.

Converting all my stuff and then buying replacement software would greatly increase the price of a PC replacement. Also I need MagSafe. I've ruined PC laptops by tripping over the cord. Not fussed on ruining another laptop by tripping over the charger.

Again, I'm not going to break Apple's legal agreements to run OSX on other software.

I can NOT teach people to use a Mac using a PC. I can not work on Final Cut Projects given to me in Final Cut format on a PC. I can't continue to teach myself Xcode using a PC.

The amount of time it would take to manually convert and copy the data off my Mac (wasted time is worth money) , then the cost of buying an iPhoto, Final Cut, iWork, Windows versions of Photoshop and other CS 6 modules, Garage Band and numerous other applications I use completely outweigh any cost savings. I looked at alternatives to a Macbook at the time, and to get a Lenovo similar to my own, was going to cost $1400 without the 1TB SSD. so it would have cost more than my Macbook once the software is added on.

 

[RedRaven571]

LOL.
How is so wonderful? You can only upgrade RAM and HDD (or add a 2nd one in the optical bay).
You can't upgrade the CPU or the GPU or other minor stuff (like the WiFi card, etc).
And CPU/GPU upgrades are pretty important, they really make the machine last longer.

I have a SandyBridge Thinkpad with dual core. I just installed a quadcore chip i bought on ebay for ~$100. Photo/Video editing is so much faster now, best upgrade ever for $100

I'm actually surprised you are able to upgrade the CPU in a Thinkpad, that certainly doesn't seem to be the norm these days; a few years back, I had a series of HP laptops that used desktop CPUs and you could upgrade them to a point but the BIOS wouldn't recognize the CPU if you got too far outside the series that was used when the PC was built (even if the replacement had the same socket).

Beyond that, my understanding has been that very, very few laptops had a user replaceable GPU, ant those were more or less a marketing gimmick.

As laptop/notebook have gotten thinner/lighter, more and more of their internals have become soldered to the motherboard, ending most user replaceable parts. But still, to the OP's point, HDD/SDD and RAM are probably the last of the most commonly upgraded parts on laptops that were still user accessible.

I purchased a refurb 2012 15" cMBP this Spring, solely because I could upgrade the RAM/HDD, and I could get a 15" MBP for $1100. I put in 8GB of RAM ($80) and a 500GB SDD I already had in my 2008 MBP, and it's plenty fast for what I need to do.

This same argument has occurred over and over on this forum; if guys like us are happy with our choice to stick with 3 year old hardware, in the interests of user upgradability, I don't know why that gets so many other people riled up.

 

[0x100]

I am not an idiot.

I have HDMI when I use an adaptor, and I already had that adaptor for my previous Macbook Pro. The SATA drive is also fast enough for my needs. Don't need 4K output either. I'm never planning to sell the laptop, and it will last me longer anyway, given I'll be able to upgrade to 16GB of ram next year (I'm nearing the limits of 8GB of ram anyway). It is thin enough for me, I take it to uni multiple times a week. I don't want a retina display, when it means sacrificing features i depend on. The Non retina display (that i also have in my iPad 2) is perfectly acceptable to my eyes.

You're a complete idiot. I'm currently pushing the limits of 8GB of ram, so WHY THE HELL would I buy something that would no longer meet my needs in a short time.

No an external harddrive would not have solved my issues, I need my storage with me as I go (Thus why I have a laptop).

I simply can not believe the arrogance, in you telling me what I do and don't need.

Stop being a fanboi why can't move past their own usage scenario. I fully accept that the rMBP is perfect for your use.

Alright, unibody Hi5! I got the 2012 13" pro last year with the i7 in it put SSD and 16 gigs, it screams like crazy. Even has an ethernet port (which is a life saver when wifi isn't working (which is often)). Ethernet is also great since it's consistantly better and faster than 802 11 ac. Ac really only beats ethernet in very controlled scenarios, ethernet is just boss. I could even have 2 storage devices inside the computer if I put an adapter in the cdrom drive. I don't because I still use cdroms (best digital audio quality ripps) but if I want to I can just put in more storage than the mac pro. With 2 HDDs you can get 4TB, just killer. Back to the ethernet, being able to transfer files at gigabit speeds with my NAS without any router/USB overhead is just better.

Unibody macbooks for life yo' I will probably get another one too. So awesome.

 

[oldmacs]

Alright, unibody Hi5! I got the 2012 13" pro last year with the i7 in it put SSD and 16 gigs, it screams like crazy. Even has an ethernet port (which is a life saver when wifi isn't working (which is often)). Ethernet is also great since it's consistantly better and faster than 802 11 ac. Ac really only beats ethernet in very controlled scenarios, ethernet is just boss. I could even have 2 storage devices inside the computer if I put an adapter in the cdrom drive. I don't because I still use cdroms (best digital audio quality ripps) but if I want to I can just put in more storage than the mac pro. With 2 HDDs you can get 4TB, just killer. Back to the ethernet, being able to transfer files at gigabit speeds with my NAS without any router/USB overhead is just better.

Unibody macbooks for life yo' I will probably get another one too. So awesome.

Yes I got the i7 one a couple of months ago! I love it. Its great with an SSD and 16GB of ram soon to come

 

[b0fh666]

No its not... . Honestly.

At the end of the day, all I am trying to say is that I am extremely happy with what I did, and I only hope that in 5 or so years, there will be an option for others like me. Thats it. Thats my argument

ditto. I'm on the same boat (running two mid-2012 maxed out cMBPs, one 13 and one 15), and i bet they will outlive at least 90% of the disposable crap 'retina' released in 2012/13/14.

slower, sure, but fast enough and with 16GB RAM and 1.5TB internal storage (which can be cheaply pushed to 3TB) each I don't see any limits coming up anytime soon. The 15 I would upgrade to 32GB if that ever becomes available.

cheers!

 

[ApolloBoy]

The 15 I would upgrade to 32GB if that ever becomes available.

The max you can do on that model is just 16 GB.

 

[b0fh666]

The max you can do on that model is just 16 GB.

socket/chipset limitation? If 16GB DDR3 sticks become available in the future they would not work on ivy bridge? why?

 

[ApolloBoy]

socket/chipset limitation? If 16GB DDR3 sticks become available in the future they would not work on ivy bridge? why?

I think it's because that's the most the chipset can handle. I know the CPU in our cMBPs can handle 32 GB, but it all comes down to the chipset in the end.

 

[0x100]

socket/chipset limitation? If 16GB DDR3 sticks become available in the future they would not work on ivy bridge? why?

It won't work on ivy because intel seriously messed up how the cpu sees memory.

 

[balamw]

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