Some days I feel like ditching Apple

[Radon87000]

Again, like someone else mentioned, when the O/S is tuned properly, you don't need 8 cores, 4gb of ram. Also the Retina panel on the iphone is very good and very CLOSE to a S7 Edge in clarity. It may not have the over-saturated look of the colors like Samsung likes to do, but the colors are more realistic. I do agree 16gb for a base model isn't good any more, but for some people who just need a basic phone, and don't care for apps that much, it is just enough.
They don't ignore, they give what is required to have a device run smoothly. The more cores you have, the more battery they use.

Not even close.The S7 Edge clarity is out of this world.You really think a 750P LCD is any match for a 1600P Super OLED?

 

[The Game 161]

Yet the A9 processor & 2gb Ram in the iPhone 6S/+ generally perform at the same level of performance as an 8 core with 4gb ram android device. Raw Specs can be deceiving, and whilst 16gb is pathetic, other manufacturers are still offering 16gb base and not all offer user expandability. Nexus devices for example.

My iPhone 6S+ still feels as snappy as any of my 2016 Android handsets. I don't see a need for Apple to embrace an 8 core CPU simply because folks may perceive 8 as bigger & better than 2. The Snapdragon 820 for example forgoes 8 Cores of the 810 before it, or the 6 in the 808, yet it's 4 core is much better than its immediate predecessors 8.

Agreed, in terms of how quick things are there isn't any difference in how snappy my 6s plus is to my s7 edge.

 

[mildocjr]

It didn't take long since my last post to get a nice reminder from a PC why I switched to Mac. I had 32 GB of Vengeance RAM in my desktop PC, did a BIOS update, now I can't use more than 3 of them in specific slots because they were different lots. I had to switch off to my fallback RAM 16 GB of ADATA to have quad-channel memory again. The tortures of PCs.

 

[Radon87000]

Benchmarks mean as much as a generic statement like "iPhone is light years behind the s7 in tech".

I'm going to go out in a limb and give you a lot of credit and ask if you really believe this statement is true as you own these devices.

In display technology it is light years behind
In case of the The software its ahead in some aspects and behind in many

Build quality is amongst the best in the industry

Design wise it doesn't hold a candle to the S7 Edge but otherwise still pretty nice but dated

 

[widgeteer]

You can look at almost every part of the 6s, and it's out of date compared to similarly priced phones: the screen is far lower resolution and isn't even OLED, the processor is 2 core vs 8 core, the RAM is 2gb vs 4gb, the storage is 16gb in the base model and isn't expandable, there is no wireless charging, no widgets, very limited multitasking, and there is no waterproofing. In essence, Apple seem to have systematically ignored all the major developments from the cellphone industry for the last few years, while simultaneously bringing in force touch, which is functionally the same as a long press (IMHO they did this so they could transform what should have been a software feature into a hardware feature in a blatant cash grab, rather than make it available to all users of iOS).

I think it would be wonderful if Apple released a phone that had the latest tech in it. A phone like that would really be worth the premium price, but I can't see it happening any time soon. They are simply too invested in pointless gimmicks at this stage.

So, first: the usual spec war stuff you throw out has zero meaning. Android *needs* 8 cores and 4 gb of RAM just to run that OS smoothly, or as smoothly as you're gonna get with that heavy OS. That argument has been dead and buried for years now. iPhones run circles around all Android phones in performance, and let's not even get into performance as the device ages. Wireless charging? Completely and utterly useless, offers a consumer zero benefit: chargers take up more space than a cord, can't hold your phone while its charging, generally slower than connected charging, etc. Once we have near field charging, THEN you're cooking with gasoline. Until then, enjoy all the soon-to-be useless paper weights you currently call wireless chargers. Widgets? Again? Pure preference, not an advancement or feature.

So these things you mention aren't actually "developments". The higher specs on Android phones aren't features, they necessities. Same goes for screen resolution. Other than Sammy's devices, there is no device on the market that has a screen as nice as the 6S Plus, except the cost to battery life certainly doesn't bridge the gap.

 

[I7guy]

In display technology it is light years behind
In case of the The software its ahead in some aspects and behind in many

Build quality is amongst the best in the industry

Design wise it doesn't hold a candle to the S7 Edge but otherwise still pretty nice but dated

Thanks for your opinion. All of this has pretty much been rehashed as in Deja vu all over again. But I will say the iPhone design is iconic; and I like iconic.

 

[widgeteer]

There is NOTHING pro about the "Pro" It's just a way to jack up the price and give even less storage for what we were getting before.iPad Pro aimed at enterprise?What can it's software do which the iPad Air 2 cannot.Increasing the RAM and making a faster processor doesn't mean much when there are hardly any apps to take advantage of it

Also Stock Android doesn't require much RAM to operate.My Nexus 7 on 2 gigs of RAM performs nearly as fast an an iPad

You're now just mixing and matching arguments. You wanted to know why Apple increased RAM in one device when discussing why the iphone has two. I explained why, which now leads us to your personal critique of the Pro as a product.
Ohhh...so...your Nexus operates as well as some of the top tier Androd phones on the market? Really? With it's ancient internals and dated hardware??? For real???
[doublepost=1465826171][/doublepost]By the way, I love it when people bring up how "overpriced" the iPhone is. Umm...see, I can walk into an Apple store with virtually any issue - software problem, cracked screen, etc, and I get customer service immediately that results in either a fixed phone on the spot or a new replacement, ON THE SPOT. That costs money to have an infrastructure like that. That's part of the pricing. There isn't an Android retailer that comes close to that kind of support.
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Thanks for your opinion. All of this has pretty much been rehashed as in Deja vu all over again. But I will say the iPhone design is iconic; and I like iconic.

Isn't it great when someone says "My phone looks WAY MORE BEAUTIFUL than your phone as though it's some kind of objective fact that should be listed on a spec sheet as proof of superiority?

 

[Radon87000]

You're now just mixing and matching arguments. You wanted to know why Apple increased RAM in one device when discussing why the iphone has two. I explained why, which now leads us to your personal critique of the Pro as a product.
Ohhh...so...your Nexus operates as well as some of the top tier Androd phones on the market? Really? With it's ancient internals and dated hardware??? For real???
[doublepost=1465826171][/doublepost]By the way, I love it when people bring up how "overpriced" the iPhone is. Umm...see, I can walk into an Apple store with virtually any issue - software problem, cracked screen, etc, and I get customer service immediately that results in either a fixed phone on the spot or a new replacement, ON THE SPOT. That costs money to have an infrastructure like that. That's part of the pricing. There isn't an Android retailer that comes close to that kind of support.
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Isn't it great when someone says "My phone looks WAY MORE BEAUTIFUL than your phone as though it's some kind of objective fact that should be listed on a spec sheet as proof of superiority?

Then explain why The iPad Pro 9.7 still got 2 gigs despite being a Pro device?
Yes my Nexus 7 2013 performs much better than a Xiaomi Mi 5.I know because I returned the Xiaomi because of performance issues with the skin

I have a video where I compare the 2 if you want proof

 

[I7guy]

I am not getting your point here.You say it got 4 gigs because it's a pro device.But naming convention aside what makes it a pro device?The iPad Pro 9.7 still got 2 gigs despite being a Pro device.So obviously it's not that
Yes my Nexus 7 2013 performs much better than a Xiaomi Mi 5.I know because I returned the Xiaomi because of performance issues with the skin

I have a video where I compare the 2 if you want proof

So now you want to "redebate" what makes a pro device and whether it's a moniker or not? Seems like this has been debated ad-nauseum in many other threads and this conservation should be continued in those threads.

 

[widgeteer]

Then explain why The iPad Pro 9.7 still got 2 gigs despite being a Pro device?

No. This has NOTHING at all to do with anything we were discussing. Like, literally zero. If you want a conversation on the pros and cons of the iPad Pro 9.7, go to that thread.

Yes my Nexus 7 2013 performs much better than a Xiaomi Mi 5.I know because I returned the Xiaomi because of performance issues with the skin

I have a video where I compare the 2 if you want proof

Why, I completely believe you! No video necessary.

 

[jamezr]

Benchmarks mean as much as a generic statement like "iPhone is light years behind the s7 in tech".

I'm going to go out in a limb and give you a lot of credit and ask if you really believe this statement is true as you own these devices.

But I didn't make that statement. I was commenting on what you said...not anyone else. You brought up benchmarks.

I7guy said:
Is that why the 6s beats the s7 in benchmarks because it's years out of date?

Do you think benchmarks are a watermark for a device? Just as the iPhone wins in some benchmarks. It loses in others and against other Android phones. So if an Android phone beats the iPhone in benchmarks...does that make it light years ahead then?
Then how does a benchmark translate into a real world user experience?

 

[KillaMac]

Not even close.The S7 Edge clarity is out of this world.You really think a 750P LCD is any match for a 1600P Super OLED?

I OWN a S7 Edge. And I have owned a 6s plus. I speak from experience. The iPhone is not as bad as you want to make it be. Get real dude. Numbers do not mean everything. The screen is sharp and clear. Like I said, it doesn't have the POP factor, but it is still rated high on quality of the display in ratings.

 

[widgeteer]

But I didn't make that statement. I was commenting on what you said...not anyone else. You brought up benchmarks.

Do you think benchmarks are a watermark for a device? Just as the iPhone wins in some benchmarks. It loses in others and against other Android phones. So if an Android phone beats the iPhone in benchmarks...does that make it light years ahead then?
Then how does a benchmark translate into a real world user experience?

You hit on a great point. I've found that in conversations with Android folks, it's have your cake and eat it too rationality. Specs are better = phone is better. You bring up benchmarks, well, those numbers don't tell the whole story - what about real world performance? I think real world performance is absolutely the best indicator of a device's abilities. Everything else is just numbers on a screen that doesn't mean anything to an end user.

 

[I7guy]

But I didn't make that statement. I was commenting on what you said...not anyone else. You brought up benchmarks.

Do you think benchmarks are a watermark for a device? Just as the iPhone wins in some benchmarks. It loses in others and against other Android phones. So if an Android phone beats the iPhone in benchmarks...does that make it light years ahead then?
Then how does a benchmark translate into a real world user experience?

Totally ignored my question about if YOU think the iPhone 6s is light years behind the s7. But thanks anyway.

 

[jamezr]

Totally ignored my question about if YOU think the iPhone 6s is light years behind the s7. But thanks anyway.

That's ok if you want to deflect and not answer my question that I asked FIRST.....
This why most here think you do not participate in honest discussions here on MR. YOU bring something up and then refuse to discuss it. Instead you bring up something else to try to change the subject.

You brought up benchmarks....now you refuse to discuss it.

 

[I7guy]

That's ok if you want to deflect and not answer my question that I asked FIRST.....
This why most here think you do not participate in honest discussions here on MR. YOU bring something up and then refuse to discuss it. Instead you bring up something else to try to change the subject.

You brought up benchmarks....now you refuse to discuss it.

Isn't that another deflection? You refusing to answer a question unless I go first, lol. Okay it is what it is.

I would think after all this time you would stick to the posts and not the posters. But oh well.

 

[jamezr]

You hit on a great point. I've found that in conversations with Android folks, it's have your cake and eat it too rationality. Specs are better = phone is better. You bring up benchmarks, well, those numbers don't tell the whole story - what about real world performance? I think real world performance is absolutely the best indicator of a device's abilities. Everything else is just numbers on a screen that doesn't mean anything to an end user.

Oh I agree with you......Benchmarks generally do not translate very much into real world user experience benefits.
I do agree with you on specs as well. Specs do not mean anything unless they provide a better user experience.
But specs are not the same as current technology versus older technology either just to be clear.

I go through a lot of phones...some with outstanding specs. But that doesn't always mean it is a better phone use.

You still have to blend the hardware and software together with features that will translate to a great user experience.

IMHO Apple Samsung do this the best of any phones I have used...and I go through about 14 to 16 phones a year. But again that is just IMHO 🙂
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Isn't that another deflection? You refusing to answer a question unless I go first, lol. Okay it is what it is.

C'mon now i7guy. You brought up benchmarks...then instead of answering questions....you reply with questions.
If you don't want to discuss it...then don't bring it up.

 

[I7guy]

Oh I agree with you......Benchmarks generally do not translate very much into real world user experience benefits.
I do agree with you on specs as well. Specs do not mean anything unless they provide a better user experience.
But specs are not the same as current technology versus older technology either just to be clear.

I go through a lot of phones...some with outstanding specs. But that doesn't always mean it is a better phone use.

You still have to blend the hardware and software together with features that will translate to a great user experience.

IMHO Apple Samsung do this the best of any phones I have used...and I go through about 14 to 16 phones a year. But again that is just IMHO 🙂
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C'mon now i7guy. You brought up benchmarks...then instead of answering questions....you reply with questions.
If you don't want to discuss it...then don't bring it up.

The reason the benchmarks were brought up was to generically show the 6s is not "light years" behind the s7 as hyperboled. Even though most benchmarks are synthetic it was just a data point.

 

[jamezr]

The reason the benchmarks were brought up was to generically show the 6s is not "light years" behind the s7 as hyperboled. Even though most benchmarks are synthetic it was just a data point.

Thank you for that. So now to prove your point. How does a benchmark prove that? How does it show a 6s is not light years behind the s7? I don't understand.

 

[Michael Goff]

Thank you for that. So now to prove your point. How does a benchmark prove that? How does it show a 6s is not light years behind the s7? I don't understand.

I suppose the idea is to show that it's just as powerful despite having fewer cores. Then there's the RAM thing, but that's just as questionable in the 2 v 4 discussion when it comes to phones.

 

[I7guy]

I suppose the idea is to show that it's just as powerful despite having fewer cores. Then there's the RAM thing, but that's just as questionable in the 2 v 4 discussion when it comes to phones.

Correct, a phone "light years" behind would presumably have worse results with these synthetic cup and memory benchmarks.

 

[jamezr]

Correct, a phone "light years" behind would presumably have worse results with these synthetic cup and memory benchmarks.

That is why benchmarks don't mean anything in this discussion. What he meant by "light years" was technology wise. The S7 has a better camera...better display and current technology like waterproofing and wireless charging and SD Card. So for those features and current technology...that is a valid point. We all know at some point Apple will incorporate those features into an iPhone. It gives the appearance that Apple is behind the times with technology in the iPhone.

 

[I7guy]

That is why benchmarks don't mean anything in this discussion. What he meant by "light years" was technology wise. The S7 has a better camera...better display and current technology like waterproofing and wireless charging and SD Card. So for those features and current technology...that is a valid point. We all know at some point Apple will incorporate those features into an iPhone. It gives the appearance that Apple is behind the times with technology in the iPhone.

None of those would make the 6s light years behind. We all know Apple is not adding an sd card. Wireless charging probably would go for NFC. Camera would be slightly the only real valid point and waterproofing is not a technology any more than a plastic bag.

 

[jamezr]

None of those would make the 6s light years behind. We all know Apple is not adding an sd card. Wireless charging probably would go for NFC. Camera would be slightly the only real valid point and waterproofing is not a technology any more than a plastic bag.

And that is why benchmarks do not mean anything... they mean as much to this discussion as saying waterproofing technology is the same as using a plastic bag...... Great end user experience 🙂

 

[I7guy]

And that is why benchmarks do not mean anything... they mean as much to this discussion as saying waterproofing technology is the same as using a plastic bag...... Great end user experience 🙂

I have to lol at this as when I go out running in iffy whether I bring a plastic bag for my bt earbuds. The 6s is water resistant not worried about that. However the cpu and performance seems to be the first thing fan sites check out, so it's not a far flung thought this is the smoking gun...