Some perspective about AAPL vs MSFT

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by ArrowSmith, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. ArrowSmith macrumors regular

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    I know it's fashionable around these here parts to declare "MSFT is dead and buried". But let's look at the facts:

    Market cap

    MSFT - $272 billion
    AAPL - $190 billion

    Net income(last declared fiscal year)

    MSFT - $14.6 billion
    AAPL - $4.83 billion

    Net income/employee

    MSFT - $155K
    AAPL - $138K

    So you can't even say that AAPL makes more money per employee - they don't. The only thing that can be accurately said is AAPL is kicking everyone's behinds in the smartphone market. Anything more then that is wild hyperbole.
     
  2. MacDawg macrumors P6

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    You know what, I never give any of that a second thought

    I just use my MBP, my 23" ACD, my iPod and my iPhone and enjoy them
    Everything else is irrelevant to me

    Woof, Woof - Dawg [​IMG]
     
  3. flopticalcube macrumors G4

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    Is it?
     
  4. ArrowSmith thread starter macrumors regular

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    There are millions of people who get buy w/o using a single Apple product just fine. :apple:

    Well just look at any LTD post. It's even worse over on "Cult of Mac" site. That place really gives me the creeps.
     
  5. MacDawg macrumors P6

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    And good for them
    They don't bother me in the least
    And I leave them alone

    Woof, Woof - Dawg [​IMG]
     
  6. flopticalcube macrumors G4

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    Perhaps, but one member does not speak for the whole site.
    That is not here.
     
  7. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    It's flattering to have my name pop up in threads I didn't even take part in. :eek:

    MS is by no means "dead and buried." They're simply in a long, slow decline in the consumer market, like an old man easing into a bathtub. They rule the enterprise, however (as I discussed in the other thread you started), and that isn't going to change anytime soon.
     
  8. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    Keep me posted of those figures in 5 years. If Balmer is still in charge I think their numbers will look very different.
     
  9. ArrowSmith thread starter macrumors regular

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    Ballmer never pulled the trigger on acquiring Yahoo - that shows good judgment. He's an underrated CEO.
     
  10. gibbz macrumors 68030

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    The sites are titled MacRumors and Cult of Mac. They are slanted by definition.

    Ask the Windows Mobile crowd if he is underrated (or anyone who has to watch a Ballmer keynote for that matter)
     
  11. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Apple has a large number of retail employees, Microsoft doesn't so its not surprising that they make more per employee.

    And that Apple's stock price has increased much more over the past 5 years.

    That said both Microsoft and Apple have outdone the NASDAQ and Dow over the past 5 years.

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  12. Queso macrumors G4

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    I'm sorry, but that's just about the only example of good judgement you can possibly quote. Ever since Ballmer took over Microsoft have coasted on the dominant position previously built by Gates. If Sony's PS3 team hadn't gifted XBox its success Ballmer wouldn't have a single credit to his name for 10 years in the top job. That's hardly the sign of a good CEO.
     
  13. flopticalcube macrumors G4

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    Even flipping a coin you're bound to come up heads sometimes.
     
  14. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    ASP.NET/Windows Server have done pretty well* and isn't that Ballmer's responsibility or is it Gates too?

    * = except SharePoint.
     
  15. Queso macrumors G4

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    All that came from work started in the late 90s, so Gates again I'm afraid :)
     
  16. ArrowSmith thread starter macrumors regular

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    #1 - Ballmer made the .NET platform a smashing success
    #2 - Windows Servers continue to innovate and dominate the enterprise
    #3 - XBox Live is a smashing success
    #4 - Surface & Natal technologies is proof that Research is innovating under Ballmer's watch
    #5 - Didn't acquire Yahoo
    #6 - Windows XP & 7 are a smashing success
    #7 - Office suite has continued to dominate the market
    #8 - Azure
     
  17. flopticalcube macrumors G4

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    and yet the share price has gone nowhere in a decade. Investors may not be so sanguine at the prospects of MSFT.
     
  18. Queso macrumors G4

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    3) and 5) Already acknowledged
    1), 2) & 7) All pre-date Ballmer era.
    4) and 8) All based on other companies' work.
    6) Your list is a little incomplete there, is it not? Please remind me which Windows OS is missing...

    Today's Microsoft is a me-too organisation rather than a leader, and that will not change under Ballmer. He's not from the right mindset. The real tech progress is now coming from other players, with Google being the glue that pulls them all together. Microsoft aren't in trouble yet, but with growing awareness of alternatives coupled with MS's increasing loss of control of formats they are vulnerable in a way they haven't been for two decades. Personally I wouldn't buy their shares now. Anyone that does is a fool IMO.
     
  19. mysterytramp macrumors 65816

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    We can say this, too:

    I'm sure there are others ...

    But the point is, why? Has anyone really said Microsoft is dead and buried? Even on this board? If Cult of Mac gives you the creeps, why do you read it? If MacRumors challenges your worldview, why are you here?

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  20. bartelby macrumors Core

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    But he hasn't managed to ruin them. Surely that's the sign of a great CEO.
    ;)
     
  21. Queso macrumors G4

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    LOL. Have you actually tried to use Office 2007? :D
     
  22. bartelby macrumors Core

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    In work I have the honour of being the only person in my division with Office 2007.
    :eek:
    I actually had to keep pushing to get it!
    :eek:
     
  23. gibbz macrumors 68030

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    Then there is the recent Word patent snafu.

     
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  25. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    That's something I used to believe too, but it isn't quite fair:

    I for one like getting my worldview challenged.

    I like Office 2007 :). I like the ribbon.
     

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