Some PPC OpenMark benchmarks

[AphoticD]

Added flashed Radeon 9700 (128MB) AGP in Sawtooth G4.

This standard (non-Pro) version of the 9700 achieves an identical result to the Mobility Radeon 9700 found in the 17" DLSD. ATIccelerator II reports 279Mhz Processor speed, 270Mhz Memory clock.

 

[Surrat]

I think its really cool to see all the attention and effort this thread has built.

Thanks guy for all the time invested, looks like we are almost done!

 

[kasuja00]

Here the bench of my Powermac G5 Dual with X800XT Mac edition:


My Powerbook G4 1.5GHz with Nvidia go 5200 scored 1411.

 

[c260]

Here's a less than timely update: Clocking in with a whopping 367 MHz CPU and an ATI Rage Mobility 128 GPU, my base model iBook (FireWire) has a score of 115. This is, I believe, the lowest score recorded on this test.

 

[LightBulbFun]

Just got my mitts on a Radeon 9800 Pro for cheap! so it went straight into the Sawtooth to finally fully max* that machine out 🙂, well this is actually the 3rd 9800 Pro my Sawtooth has had in my ownership of that machine LOL, first one died as is all too common with 9800's, and the other was sent to @bunnspecial many moons ago, where it fitting lives in another sawtooth 🙂 so I am pleased to have another one for it finally given the Sawtooth was my first PPC Mac (and 2nd Mac overall) its nice to be able to treat it to the best upgrades 🙂

(not pictured but it interesting to note that it has a slightly weak TMDS transmitter, not as bad as the Mac Mini 9200's one, but 1920x180 at 60.0Hz instead of 59.something will give me light artifacting (but its not apparent in screen shearing and the style tells me its just the TMDS transmitter struggling rather then anything wrong with the card)

of course it flashed without any issue, tho sadly only a 64KB EEPROM onboard so I have had to use the reduced ROM, ill be swapping that for a 128KB EEPROM in time so I can use the full ROM

then where it gets relevant to the thread I ran open-mark on it to suitably give it a workout, its been years since I have seen this screen! the final score was 9331 which checks out nicely with other 9800 Pro's in the list

(*well ok the 256MB VRAM version of the 9800 Pro would actually be the best card for a Sawtooth, but thats nothing I cant solve with my hot air rework station however thats for later in time!)

 

[ervus]

first one died as is all too common with 9800's

Do you know why it died? Too much heat? Or do they just spontaneously die sitting on a shelf?

Here are a couple ATI cards in a Digital Audio (9800 and fireGL), showing the speeds. I'm not sure how far I can push them. Are there any guides?

 

[flyproductions]

(*well ok the 256MB VRAM version of the 9800 Pro would actually be the best card for a Sawtooth,...

Not quite! 😁

Even if you leave the 6600GT, which in some cases has Dual-DVI with one of them beeing even Dual-Link, aside, as with the Sawtooth's or Cube's 2x AGP they only sucessfully boot in one of 30 or 50 attempts, there is still the Galaxy GeForce 6800 xt...

...which runs flawlessly in a Sawtooth and is up to 25% faster than a Rad 9800 at stock clocks...

Radeon 9800 pro:

Galaxy 6800 xt:

...has 256 MB of VRAM and should be the overall more modern, cooler running GPU. Just like a 6200. Only 256 instead of 64 bit. 😉

 

[LightBulbFun]

Do you know why it died? Too much heat? Or do they just spontaneously die sitting on a shelf?

Here are a couple ATI cards in a Digital Audio (9800 and fireGL), showing the speeds. I'm not sure how far I can push them. Are there any guides?

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its a bit of both, in that, the stock 9800 Pro cooler is pretty awful, so the GPU cooks itself that way, and I know also the memory can also die

my first 9800 did just randomly up and start artifacting heavily on me with what Im pretty sure was dead failing VRAM

so if your overclocking a 9800 Pro I *strongly* recommend better/additional cooling

Not quite! 😁

Even if you leave the 6600GT, which in some cases has Dual-DVI with one of them beeing even Dual-Link, aside, as with the Sawtooth's or Cube's 2x AGP they only sucessfully boot in one of 30 or 50 attempts, there is still the Galaxy GeForce 6800 xt...

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...which runs flawlessly in a Sawtooth and is up to 25% faster than a Rad 9800 at stock clocks...

Radeon 9800 pro:

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Galaxy 6800 xt:

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...has 256 MB of VRAM and should be the overall more modern, cooler running GPU. Just like a 6200. Only 256 instead of 64 bit. 😉

thats always been an interesting card for me although I dont think I have ever seen another for sale sadly

but its always been interesting in that its an NV40 card, that clearly works with 3.3V AGP slot,

and the reason thats interesting, is if you look early 6800 Ultra https://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index/1293?cPage=3&all=False&sort=0&page=9&slug=

they have a noticeable of lack of pins where the 3.3V keying would go! which makes me wonder if you where to dremel out the PCB there, could you show horn one into an AGP 2x system, say like a sawtooth? 🙂 and the fact that your special 6800 XT does work in an Sawtooth shows that the NV40 Core DOES have 3.3V AGP signalling support at least...

and the TechPowerUp website even shows a FX 4000 WITH AGP 3.3V cutouts https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro-fx-4000.c1365

but all the other pictures I see show it as 1.5V/0.8V only or with the pins missing but PCB still there as above https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/NVIDIA_Quadro_FX_4000_AGP.jpg

and the fun thing about that card is it is a Dual Dual Link DVI Card IIRC 🙂

I DO have one of these kicking around... https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/grap...00-golden-sample-goes-like-hell-256mb/?page=2

dont have a Dremel to hand however LOL




otherwise a Quadro FX 4500 with the 512MB BAR patch would be the fastest GPU one could *plug into* a Sawooth 🙂 (if you ignore the massive bottleneck that would be going via PCI rather then AGP)

 

[flyproductions]

thats always been an interesting card for me although I dont think I have ever seen another for sale sadly

They seem to be available on the eastern European market, Russia and Poland. But most i could google, a 128 MB variant. But mine is 256.

but its always been interesting in that its an NV40 card, that clearly works with 3.3V AGP slot,

Isn't the 6200 NV40 too?

but all the other pictures I see show it as 1.5V/0.8V only or with the pins missing but PCB still there as above https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/NVIDIA_Quadro_FX_4000_AGP.jpg

Yes, sure this could be dremeled out! What is a Quadro 4000 comparable to in performance?

 

[Amethyst1]

What is a Quadro 4000 comparable to in performance?

According to Wikipedia, the FX 4000 is comparable to a 6800 GT, but it has a slightly higher core clock (375 vs 350 MHz).

and the fun thing about that card is it is a Dual Dual Link DVI Card IIRC 🙂

The FX 4000 had better be. You need two dual-link DVI outputs to run "Big Bertha" at 48 Hz. 🙂

 

[flyproductions]

You need two dual-link DVI outputs to run "Big Bertha" at 48 Hz. 🙂

Not so sure about that!

This is just a humble Quicksilver, running a passively cooled GF 6600GT which doesn't even have an external transmitter!

...and no, it is not the Quad behind the corner, driving the display! 😝

 

[Amethyst1]

Not so sure about that!

Big Bertha

 

[flyproductions]

Big Bertha

Ahhh, didn't know, there is some even bigger Bertha! 😝

 

[sasho648]

[B]localhost / #[/B] R600_DEBUG=nir DISPLAY=:0 glmark2 --fullscreen ======================================================= glmark2 2021.12 ======================================================= OpenGL Information GL_VENDOR: X.Org GL_RENDERER: AMD CEDAR (DRM 2.50.0 / 6.0.0-g1501278bb7ba) GL_VERSION: 3.2 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 22.2.2 Surface Config: buf=32 r=8 g=8 b=8 a=8 depth=24 stencil=0 Surface Size: 1920x1080 fullscreen ======================================================= [build] use-vbo=false: FPS: 405 FrameTime: 2.469 ms [build] use-vbo=true: FPS: 586 FrameTime: 1.706 ms [texture] texture-filter=nearest: FPS: 483 FrameTime: 2.070 ms [texture] texture-filter=linear: FPS: 482 FrameTime: 2.075 ms [texture] texture-filter=mipmap: FPS: 491 FrameTime: 2.037 ms [shading] shading=gouraud: FPS: 463 FrameTime: 2.160 ms [shading] shading=blinn-phong-inf: FPS: 463 FrameTime: 2.160 ms [shading] shading=phong: FPS: 416 FrameTime: 2.404 ms [shading] shading=cel: FPS: 405 FrameTime: 2.469 ms [bump] bump-render=high-poly: FPS: 390 FrameTime: 2.564 ms [bump] bump-render=normals: FPS: 545 FrameTime: 1.835 ms [bump] bump-render=height: FPS: 524 FrameTime: 1.908 ms [effect2d] kernel=0,1,0;1,-4,1;0,1,0;: FPS: 266 FrameTime: 3.759 ms [effect2d] kernel=1,1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1,1;: FPS: 133 FrameTime: 7.519 ms [pulsar] light=false:quads=5:texture=false: FPS: 333 FrameTime: 3.003 ms [desktop] blur-radius=5:effect=blur:passes=1:separable=true:windows=4: FPS: 81 FrameTime: 12.346 ms [desktop] effect=shadow:windows=4: FPS: 103 FrameTime: 9.709 ms [buffer] columns=200:interleave=false:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=map: FPS: 41 FrameTime: 24.390 ms [buffer] columns=200:interleave=false:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=subdata: FPS: 49 FrameTime: 20.408 ms [buffer] columns=200:interleave=true:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=map: FPS: 86 FrameTime: 11.628 ms [ideas] speed=duration: FPS: 347 FrameTime: 2.882 ms [jellyfish] <default>: FPS: 144 FrameTime: 6.944 ms [terrain] <default>: FPS: 20 FrameTime: 50.000 ms [shadow] <default>: FPS: 93 FrameTime: 10.753 ms [refract] <default>: FPS: 21 FrameTime: 47.619 ms [conditionals] fragment-steps=0:vertex-steps=0: FPS: 462 FrameTime: 2.165 ms [conditionals] fragment-steps=5:vertex-steps=0: FPS: 369 FrameTime: 2.710 ms [conditionals] fragment-steps=0:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 462 FrameTime: 2.165 ms [function] fragment-complexity=low:fragment-steps=5: FPS: 428 FrameTime: 2.336 ms [function] fragment-complexity=medium:fragment-steps=5: FPS: 289 FrameTime: 3.460 ms [loop] fragment-loop=false:fragment-steps=5:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 425 FrameTime: 2.353 ms [loop] fragment-steps=5:fragment-uniform=false:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 425 FrameTime: 2.353 ms [loop] fragment-steps=5:fragment-uniform=true:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 190 FrameTime: 5.263 ms ======================================================= glmark2 Score: 315 =======================================================

That's on my PPC Quad Gentoo (kernel 6.0 ppc64) with r600 nir (and ppc prefix). And 120hz monitor.

 

[flyproductions]

When question is asked, what's the fastest card that can be run in a Quad G5 or a Powermac in general, in most cases the answer is Quadro FX 4500.

Well, not quite... 😎

Quadro FX 4500

GeForce 7800 GTX 512MB

 

[joevt]

#1 is a thread about using newer PowerPC Mac GPUs (up to 7800GTX with up to 512MB VRAM) in older PowerPC Macs (down to Old World Power Macs with Open Firmware 1.0.5). It has a small number of OpenMark benchmarks.

 

[flyproductions]

(up to 7800GTX with up to 512MB VRAM)

Yes, sad in a way it had to end there. Would have been nice to see i. e. a 8800 or even a GTX680 in a Quad...

...but on the other hand, almost certainly even the 7800 is already bottlenecked by the CPUs and the whole architekture.

 

[Amethyst1]

Would have been nice to see i. e. a 8800 or even a GTX680 in a Quad...

...but on the other hand, almost certainly even the 7800 is already bottlenecked by the CPUs and the whole architekture.

Performance ain’t everything —DisplayPort 1.2 with support for 4K60 would have been cool as well 🙂

 

[kahunalx]

Hello folks!

I'm an avid reader of this forum, but this is my first post here.

I have a few PPC Macs: Clamshell G3, PowerBook G4, PowerMac MDD G4 dual, PowerMac G5 dual. By the way, I'm writing this post from my G5 😉
My G5 came with an ATI Radeon 9650. A few months ago, I was lucky enough to get an X800XT Mac edition in its original box; and just yesterday, a Geforce 6800GT just the card but in brand new condition.

I didn't have the chance to test all the other graphic cards. I've been focusing on this Geforce 6800GT because it is shiny, and smells like only new things smell... However, it was kind of a bummer when I installed it in my G5. It turns out I purchased it as 6800 Ultra; the antistatic bag was the original one I believe, but it had two stickers; one indicated it was a 6800 GT, while the other said 6800 Ultra. In any case, I got it at a very good price and in this condition... I mean, I cannot complain.

Thanks to this forum, I found info about Graphiccelerator and OpenMark. So, I decided to overclock it to at least reach the levels of performance of the Ultra. Looking at pictures of both Ultra and GT, I didn't see any physical differences. So, I'm assuming they're the same card but with a different BIOS, so flashing my GT didn't seem like a crazy idea.

Anyway, all this long intro just to share my results 🙂

PowerMac 7,3 G5 dual 2Ghz, 4GB of RAM, running Leopard 10.5.8. Screen at 1920x1080x32.

6800GT stock 350Mhz Core - 500Mhz Memory: Not tested (sorry)
6800GT @ 400Mhz Core - 600Mhz Memory: 13,436 <<< Same result as the Ultra, apparently
6800GT @ 410Mhz Core - 600Mhz Memory: 13,686
6800GT @ 420Mhz Core - 650Mhz Memory: 14,193 <<< Saw glitches running Halo
6800GT @ 425Mhz Core - 600Mhz Memory: 14,193 <<< Current configuration, stable on UT2004, Halo... no glitches

It seems the memory frequency do not affect much these OpenMark tests. Also, based on this experience, it is not a good idea to overclock the memory too high or glitches/artifacts start to appear.

Have fun!

 

[DinoSloar]

Finally got around to doing some benchmarks.

 

[_LiveSorcerer_]

Sorry to change the subject a little, I have a PowerMac G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 4x512MB DDR2, I would like to know where I can find the memories to put 16GB in the G5?
And I'm using an Nvidia 6600 GPU and I would like to know which GPU it supports, because the image is appearing drizzled.

 

[starmax]

Sorry to change the subject a little, I have a PowerMac G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 4x512MB DDR2, I would like to know where I can find the memories to put 16GB in the G5?
And I'm using an Nvidia 6600 GPU and I would like to know which GPU it supports, because the image is appearing drizzled.

These are the ones I put in my Quad, 16GB of bliss!

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[mrkapqa]

those gpu hard to fine+expensive+some are loud.
6600 atleast does not make noise (but should function of course)
next to tis list maybe also radeon x1900 xt is compatible , but not many more (on mac osx)

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[kahunalx]

Hello everyone, it's been a while but here I am again! 😵

Today, I'm writing from my PowerMac G4 MDD dual 1.25GHz, 2GB of RAM, Radeon 9000 Pro AGP 64MB, running MacOSX 10.4.11 Tiger.

I've tested this card in three different resolutions.
Interestingly enough, I've got the same results in all of them, 1331 points. Please, see below.

 

[Edgecrusherr]

Not seeing anyone posting the 7800 GS. This has become a very popular flash card for MacPower Mac G4.

Test Machine System Specs:
Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver)
Dual 1GHz G4
1.5GB RAM
NVidia 7800GS 256GB (PC Flashed by Dosdude1)
PNY SSD7CS900 240GB SSD
Mac OS X 10.5.9 Sorbet Leopard (Community mod, but gets the same scores in 10.5.8 and 10.4)
OpenMark 11985