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Some Retina MacBook Pro Users Experiencing Display 'Ghosting'
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Image persistence has been around forever.
It may be due to the smaller size of the pixels themselves, less liquid in a given area - takes longer to "rotate".
Perhaps retina displays are limited in how much current can be put across the thinner matrix. (smaller pixels - smaller conductors - lower current threshold)
It's not unique to the retina, however.
Every tech has a drawback, plasma - burn in, LCD - persistence, OLED - Mura.
Usually, LCD persistence is only temporary, and will go away after a while, not quite the same when it comes to CRT, Plasma or OLED.
It may be due to the smaller size of the pixels themselves, less liquid in a given area - takes longer to "rotate".
Perhaps retina displays are limited in how much current can be put across the thinner matrix. (smaller pixels - smaller conductors - lower current threshold)
It's not unique to the retina, however.
Every tech has a drawback, plasma - burn in, LCD - persistence, OLED - Mura.
Usually, LCD persistence is only temporary, and will go away after a while, not quite the same when it comes to CRT, Plasma or OLED.
Not this again! I was plagued with image retention for years with my 24" iMac back in the day. Apple told me, after two LCD replacements, to just live with it in the end.
For a £1k+ machine I think it's disgusting that people should have to put up with displays like this.
For a £1k+ machine I think it's disgusting that people should have to put up with displays like this.
Great, the next new thing that 100s will placebo themselves into thinking they have, when they personally don't have an effected system.
When you have image retention it's noticeable though. I could read LaTeX documents on my screen that I had been typing when I opened up safari to look something up. It would remain there for well over 20mins. It's not acceptable.
Fortunately for me they will have fixed all the initial bugs by the time I have saved up enough money to buy one...
I have a 24" iMac (2006) that has this issue, move the dock, and you can see its outline on solid light grey/blue backgrounds. It goes away after a while (seems not to matter whether or not the machine is running - the time period is roughly the same)
Could be my eyes, but seems less of an issue when it's warmer out, then during the cooler months.
However my 20" iMac (early 2005) - does not have this issue at all.
Could be my eyes, but seems less of an issue when it's warmer out, then during the cooler months.
However my 20" iMac (early 2005) - does not have this issue at all.
I am not denying that some people do have affected systems, nor was I singling you out in any way.
A reported hardware problem, then countless people claiming they have it, is becoming too commonplace in the world computer hardware these days. Just makes it much harder for people that actually do have a hardware problem to get it resolved if there are so many others crying wolf.
Unfortunately as Apple have been built up as the company where everything just works in addition to the fashion factor, and you price accordingly, people expect perfection.
Unfortunately that's only testament to the absurdity that is Apple's upgrade pricing
Hmm, sounds like it may have been rushed to market a bit and they aren't aware of all possible/potential issues.
As mentioned before, Apple's Achilles' heel tends to be the displays. I find it hard to believe they do not have these things sitting in testing and QA for longer than these owners have had them at home.
For display tinting issues, I am going to blame the backlights and filters.
What I meant is a product that is having problems. Apps don't support it yet. Overall it's going to take time for everything to work as it should. The screen on the Non-Retina looks good already. I sacrificed the Retina display to have an Optical Drive if I need it or replace it with a second HDD. Also replace the HDD down the road much cheaper and upgrade the RAM when I need it if I need it instead of paying extra for something now I might not even need down the road.
Not a good sign. Even if your machine isn't currently displaying these symptoms, the fact that some are points to this becoming a problem down the line, likely across the board.
I have an old cinema display from the mid 00's that is so bad at ghosting it is unusable for the most part. It also has a dark halo around the edges. It only got worse as time went on and after 3 or 4 years it got absolutely terrible but was out of warranty by then. After that I had an iMac from around '07 with similar issues that also got worse as time went on.
I think I'll wait to hear more on the retina displays before I dive in. Hopefully Apple is looking into the problem and allows customers to easily have them replaced.
I have an old cinema display from the mid 00's that is so bad at ghosting it is unusable for the most part. It also has a dark halo around the edges. It only got worse as time went on and after 3 or 4 years it got absolutely terrible but was out of warranty by then. After that I had an iMac from around '07 with similar issues that also got worse as time went on.
I think I'll wait to hear more on the retina displays before I dive in. Hopefully Apple is looking into the problem and allows customers to easily have them replaced.
Never buy first model revisions. Waiting for the "kinks" to get worked out before diving into one of these babies. (retina iPad was the first indication that "retina" systems may have a few issues, which is normal)
If no one buys the first gen, then how are they going to work out the bugs? And if this is only happening to a few system then they may have just gotten a bad batch of screens.
if i put the brightness on full and have a completely black screen, in a pitch black room, i can see a tiny bit of light bleeding from the edge of the screen!!!11!!11!!
And this is why I learned not to be an early adaptor since iPhone 4's antenna gate
Actually, make that every single Apple product since the eMac's infamous raster shift and brown bar on the screen's side.
Wrong terminology here!
Hello MacRumors,
You are using the wrong terminology for this phenomenon here. This "ghosting" is actually called image retention, as previously stated by quoted article. "Ghosting" is NOT image retention. Ghosting is the trailing effect on an image when moved around on an LCD screen. Ex. With the LCD screen of the iPhone 4/4S, you can see text blur and elongate when you scroll down a page.
Saturn79
Hello MacRumors,
You are using the wrong terminology for this phenomenon here. This "ghosting" is actually called image retention, as previously stated by quoted article. "Ghosting" is NOT image retention. Ghosting is the trailing effect on an image when moved around on an LCD screen. Ex. With the LCD screen of the iPhone 4/4S, you can see text blur and elongate when you scroll down a page.
Saturn79
Only in USA. I doubt local Apple web stores or physical retailers will promptly accept the problem and ship another unit just because a neurotic consumer is whining about this insignificant issue. In USA, consumer is much more respected because lawsuits are usually more expensive in relation to other countries.
That's why Apple changed the prospects of Mountain Lion omitting the text that stated that Macs were virus-free.
A little off topic, but I think the most disappointing part about this new Mac is the lack of a CD drive. I would be willing to take my chances with the new retina display, but I really don't want a notebook without a disc drive. It's stupid. I thought that was what the Air was for...
Never buy first model revisions. Waiting for the "kinks" to get worked out before diving into one of these babies. (retina iPad was the first indication that "retina" systems may have a few issues, which is normal)
The kinks aren't going to be worked out until we get a brand new screen technology that's idiot proof or Apple starts dumping more money into QC. All Apple displays have been a lottery for years.
You either accept what you get, or go through the painful process of swapping it, possibly more than once, until you get one you can live with. Just be thankful that you only have to lug a laptop back to the store and not a 27" iMac or Thunderbolt Display.
How often do you honestly use the optical drive on your computer? I haven't used a CD in about a year.
Those might have been PVA based panels, known for ghosting issues. They are better now and have some nice blacks.
Haven't used mine in about the same amount of time, and maybe once(could have used USB just as easily) in about two years.