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Yup, it all comes down to what's important to the individual user. My viewpoint is certainly not like everyone else's and I know there is a ton more work to do in this area. Apple have at least, on the surface, shown that they value privacy more than other tech companies. That's interesting, why the change? Or are you just waiting to see what Apple introduces in the fall?

I love Apple but switched carriers and now my iPhone X can't connect to cellular. So I want to know what they come out with and I'm not throwing my upgrade away two months before the new phones come out.
 
I love Apple but switched carriers and now my iPhone X can't connect to cellular. So I want to know what they come out with and I'm not throwing my upgrade away two months before the new phones come out.

Makes sense. I am not expecting major changes this fall, but I upgrade yearly either way.
 
Well, first of all: even email providers themselves shouldn't be able to read your emails.

Use Protonmail, Tutanota, Posteo or other services, where "zero knowledge" is in the user agreement.

The same is relevant to cloud storage platforms too.

Pay money for the services instead of paying with your personal data. I mean, don't overpay - you data is more expensive than some tens of bucks per year.

Don't use apps and services which don't have very clear and precise privacy policy. Clear and precise is NOT "We value your data and privacy as much as our late grannies' health and can change this agreement any time and can put our noses into your data when we find it necessary for security purposes blah-blah-blah".

Clear and precise is: "We don't have access to your data except what you provided during registration or payment. Everything you store on our servers or send through us is encrypted and only you have the keys. This is a legally binding agreement."
 
what did you read there that scared you - airmail I mean

I've just read it, and there doesn't seem to be anything of the scale the previous poster suggested; I would question if they have actually read the privacy policy.

From my interpretation they process some email data to provide push notifications via the iOS apps, which is deleted once the notification has been delivered. Header information of emails is stored to provide snooze functionality which is also deleted when no longer required.
 
You're right. So I decided to delete the account from the phone and do it again.

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It is doable.

Heck, you could probably use an Android phone without using ANY Google services if you really wanted.

I bought a new Pixel 2 XL, Google sent me 2 new devices for a total of 3 and I ended up returning all 3 of them. It was escalated to top Supervisor regarding this issue. In the end they admitted that this was how their smartphones were set up to work. I really wanted to like and keep the phone but privacy to me is important and having paid $900+ for a Pixel 2 XL I think I should be entitled to some privacy with my info and the fact that everything has to go through their Gmail account meant it was going back in the box and back to Google. The fact that Apple values the privacy of their users and gives their users options means I will keep buying Apple’s products and iPhones.

A while back ago in Asia the Chinese had written a news report about Google’s privacy issues which was one of the reasons they were banned/barred from China. I do not agree with all of China’s points on this but they had many valid points that they had brought up.
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This is my thought. When you OAuth something, you're giving a 3rd party access to your data. To present your emails to you within your app, they are touching every bit of them. Google/Facebook/Flickr and many other services responsibly tell the user "You are giving access to this app of your Info, Contacts, Messages, Phone number, Birthdate, NewsFeed, etc, etc, etc" and you click "OK"

What they do with that data after, especially if that app is free to use is up to them. The only way to own your email without any one accessing it is to prop up your own VPS with WHM or another software and lock it down with a private key and use 1st party applications from Apple or Microsoft..heck even Thunderbird would work. By using someone else's server for your email and not paying them anything for that access, you can't be pissed when someone can access your data.

Photos and text messages as well which is really bad. These days many banks send you a text message after a bank withdrawal,bank deposit or even a bank charge for a credit card purchase and all the sudden every app out there knows where you bank and how much you spend. I don’t approve of this. This is an invasion of privacy. No app needs to read my text messages or look into my photos.

In fact I think smartphones should perhaps come with two storage places on their operating system to keep things separated. Perhaps where one can download all BS apps on to one storage place and keep all others on the private storage place which none have access to.
[doublepost=1530651955][/doublepost]Google and Facebook are amongst the two worst to trust when it comes to privacy

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Googles-lets-developers-access-user-emails_id106285
 
I bought a new Pixel 2 XL, Google sent me 2 new devices for a total of 3 and I ended up returning all 3 of them. It was escalated to top Supervisor regarding this issue. In the end they admitted that this was how their smartphones were set up to work. I really wanted to like and keep the phone but privacy to me is important and having paid $900+ for a Pixel 2 XL I think I should be entitled to some privacy with my info and the fact that everything has to go through their Gmail account meant it was going back in the box and back to Google. The fact that Apple values the privacy of their users and gives their users options means I will keep buying Apple’s products and iPhones.

A while back ago in Asia the Chinese had written a news report about Google’s privacy issues which was one of the reasons they were banned/barred from China. I do not agree with all of China’s points on this but they had many valid points that they had brought up.
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Photos and text messages as well which is really bad. These days many banks send you a text message after a bank withdrawal,bank deposit or even a bank charge for a credit card purchase and all the sudden every app out there knows where you bank and how much you spend. I don’t approve of this. This is an invasion of privacy. No app needs to read my text messages or look into my photos.

In fact I think smartphones should perhaps come with two storage places on their operating system to keep things separated. Perhaps where one can download all BS apps on to one storage place and keep all others on the private storage place which none have access to.
[doublepost=1530651955][/doublepost]Google and Facebook are amongst the two worst to trust when it comes to privacy

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Googles-lets-developers-access-user-emails_id106285

Oh, that is how they want you to do it. I'm just saying it is possible to not do it how they want and still have a decent experience.
 
Any recommendations you might have? Hardware, OS, email server s/w, anti-spam remedy, etc.?

I use a VPS. My preferred solution is FreeBSD, Sendmail, Spamassassin with a milter, a DKIM milter, Cyrus IMAP, PostreSQL and roundcube (I don't use it a lot, but it's convenient for managing the cyrus sieve filters). You'd also want to use bruteblock (or its more familiar doppelgänger fail2ban), because anything that listens on the Internet nowadays will have a hoard of Chinese and Ukrainian script kiddies yanking on the knob *constantly*.

You can certainly do the same with Linux. I just use FreeBSD because it's near and dear to my heart historically.
 
This is real scary and completely irresponsible for Google to allow this.

Substitute the word "email", with the word "scan" Its real scary as well for ISP's to "scan" to look as phishing attemptes..

Replace an automated software, with a human. And replace 'scanning for keywords' with ad's and you see a flee of privacy advocates pop their heads up out of that gopher hole.
 
At least the Apple email client connecting to Apple email servers are SSL connections, by default. Whether it remains SSL to the recipient depends on who services their email domain. A couple years ago Apple said they would work toward SSL connections with as many other email service providers as possible. Perhaps MR could reach out to Apple on this topic to see what they've done in that regard (hint, hint). ;)

Most mail services default to TLS these days; it's one of the first things you do setting up your own mail server (or at least should be).
 
I use a VPS. My preferred solution is FreeBSD, Sendmail, Spamassassin with a milter, a DKIM milter, Cyrus IMAP, PostreSQL and roundcube (I don't use it a lot, but it's convenient for managing the cyrus sieve filters). You'd also want to use bruteblock (or its more familiar doppelgänger fail2ban), because anything that listens on the Internet nowadays will have a hoard of Chinese and Ukrainian script kiddies yanking on the knob *constantly*.

You can certainly do the same with Linux. I just use FreeBSD because it's near and dear to my heart historically.

Not to mention a great weekend project to roll your sleeves up and get dirty with!
 
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thats one stupid thing to say. if you use apple mail with edison they can read your apple mail too.

What in God’s name are you talking about??? How is it possible to use an Apple Mail App with Edison??? Both are mail clients.

The solution is to use iCloud.com for email and the stock mail app as the client. That’s the single best option on the market at the moment
[doublepost=1530730570][/doublepost]Anyone who remotely values privacy should get an icloud.com email address. Done and done
 
Unsurprising. I cottoned onto this once before like "hmm it's a shiny pretty email app that is free. Hmm they can get push notifications to me on email accounts where it's not usually possible on iOS as it needs something server-side. Hmm their privacy policy is interesting. Hmmmmm"

Definitely don't trust random apps with your password or other forms of access to your email. Stick to the big ones. I'm surprised Apple continues to allow this though as I always knew those apps were shady. They're borderline malware, so what are they doing on the App Store.
 
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This is why I gave up on just about all third party clients. They all want to mine you to death.
So what dy'a use then? Do you have your own email server? Otherwise you'd be using a third party.
 
Don't assume this - You have to also keep in mind how development teams work. There is likely a number of huge database files containing all this email, that have been copied to every developer's local software development environment, both on-shore and off-shore for creation of the email tools. There are also likely developers that work from home, so they have a local copy on their laptop, likely not encrypted since it's just email. The smaller the development company developing these email products, the more likely that nobody is keeping track of how many copies of this email data exist, nor where it exists or whom has the task to delete it when done. There's probably similar copies floating around in their QA testing environments, again, probably local and off-shore as well.

It's probably one set of a few hundred emails that was taken several years ago. No reason to have every developer waste several GB of space on their machines for copies of these emails.

Quite likely it's not even a random person's - it's probably mostly mail from one of the early developers, from before they had a public launch and so before they even had any customers to look at the data of.
 
I've just read it, and there doesn't seem to be anything of the scale the previous poster suggested; I would question if they have actually read the privacy policy.

From my interpretation they process some email data to provide push notifications via the iOS apps, which is deleted once the notification has been delivered. Header information of emails is stored to provide snooze functionality which is also deleted when no longer required.


That doesnt sound to bad. Where did you read their policy at? Im having trouble finding it. Can you post link
 
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