Someone should sue apple over app signing

Discussion in 'Jailbreaks and iOS Hacks' started by Fried Chicken, Jul 18, 2016.

  1. Fried Chicken macrumors 6502

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    This is ********.

    This cannot be legal.

    I bought my device after trying it in a store and expecting it to function in a certain way and to a certain standard. Now after being ridiculously nagged to upgrade, I am unable to downgrade.

    HOW THE HELL IS THIS LEGAL?!
     
  2. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    You've never been able to downgrade without jailbreaking and it's not been possible since iOS 6 except on certain devices.

    Not too many people like it, but it's not illegal.
     
  3. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    Back in the iphone 3G days you could downgrade with iphone OS 2.0:D
    Those days are over.
    I agree that it does suck. Not sure if anything legal could force them to allow downgrades.
    Would be nice but I'm not that hopeful.
     
  4. Fried Chicken thread starter macrumors 6502

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    There must be someway to spoof apple signing servers, allowing you to install whatever IPSW you want.
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    I know.
    I do think it's illegal, or a case can be made. Maybe false advertising (products do not function as advertised), or antitrust (functionality is removed/product is made useless).
     
  5. JackieInCo macrumors 601

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    There was a way to do just that several years ago but then Apple was clever enough to figure out a way around that. You could edit the hosts file on the computer and iTunes thought it was connecting to Apples servers.
     
  6. akash.nu macrumors 68030

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    Are you just looking for an excuse to sue Apple? You won't win such a made up case because you agreed to the Ts & Cs while updating the OS & also it means Apple is keeping the security holes open for people to get hacked and blame Apple again. They'll surely win the case.
     
  7. iceman45575 macrumors member

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    You basically agree to this when you first setup the device.
     
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    Theoretically it must be possible. However, it must be extremely difficult or someone would have done it by now.
     
  9. Mlrollin91 macrumors G4

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    In what possible way could you make a claim for false advertising. I am an absolute stickler for false advertising, it is my absolute pet peeve. There is nothing that has been falsely sold to you. How is the product not functioning as advertised. There is nothing that states you will get 'x' performance, you will get 'x' functionality. When they mention performance, its mentioned as 'up to' and so on. There is absolutely no claim.
     
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    wow

    you sound like the people who sue fast food places because it made them fat
     
  12. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    Yes, you have been able to in the past. It was as simple as selecting the restore file of the OS you wanted back then, no jailbreak required
     
  13. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    I stand corrected then.

    I came in with a 3GS and iOS 5. At that time you needed blobs and to redirect your hosts file if you wanted to downgrade.
     
  14. Fried Chicken thread starter macrumors 6502

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    When apple shows off the device at WWDC, when apple has demonstrations of the device in their apple stores, anytime apple shows a video of the device working.
    Furthermore, the upgrade process could break certain functionality for certain applications (as was seen in those iPads that those pilots had). You are paying for X performance and gaining Y performance. It wouldn’t be an issue if I could simply downgrade to what was shipped with the device.


    This is funny. My iPhone reminds me every single day that I have an update available. It downloads the update and I can’t ask it not to I can only delete that update. Every time I connect to iTunes I get a reminder that I should update. On average I get a reminder every. single. day. That’s over 300 update reminders a year. If I slip up even a single time and click “update”; that’s it. I’m stuck on the latest software that I don’t necessarily want.
     
  15. akash.nu macrumors 68030

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    And why would you just "slip up" if you don't want?! By the way, did you know while buying the phone you actually didn't "buy" the OS? So technically you don't have any right even if Apple chooses to shove it down your throat. In fact that's the same for any other device for that matter.
     
  16. Fried Chicken thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Wow
     
  17. 988466 macrumors member

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    Buy an android, throw away your iPhone. Then proceed to PM a moderator on here asking to delete your account.
     
  18. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    If there is a problem with your device requiring you to restore to fix it you are. Of course I think it would be very difficult to prove that you had any damages from the upgrade at least to an extent that would hold up in court.
     
  19. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    Apple has been successfully sued in the past due to iOS 7 storing the upgrade unwanted and unasked on peoples devices. The court considered it an intrusion because it was disk space that was not accessible by the user.

    Hence, why now you have the option to delete the update off the phone - because Apple was forced to give you that option. Beyond that however…
     

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