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This product is about 3 years too late. That's how long ago it was announced http://wp.me/p1xtr9-17uD
I don't care about an optical drive, I don't think I have a disc anywhere anyways. I do like the internal capacity for (2) 2.5" drives. Never been a fan of Esata and I sold all my FW 800 stuff long ago.
"So for those reasons, I'm out" (Any other Shark Tank fans out there?)

My current setup is
Caldigit Thunderbolt box
Caldigit T3 thunderbolt raid
Caldigit usb 3.0 external drive
2 monitors (2560x1440) one 1080P,
Lexar Workflow 4 card reader USB 3.0
OWC Mercury Rack Pro USB 3.0 (4) 2TB Drives

All plugged into my Retina MBP with one TB cable. I have all the ports on my MBPr available if I ned to plug in something else quickly and the Caldigit USB 3.0 port in the front is being used by my iPhone.
 
I don't understand the need for docks these days. With the possible exception of an additional display (I don't have that), I don't see the need to attach anything to the computer in these modern days. Printers, additional storage, tv, speakers, etc. - I have them all, but not one is attached to my Mac. Everything's fine on the my network and works with everything else. We really need to move on people.
 
Oh good, someone else that gets it. I though I was alone in this line of thought. By everyone else's idea of obsolescence this product is already doomed because it has esata and FW800 built in!

"Obsolete" is a straw man here - I believe the original post said "outdated" which is a reasonable description of optical drives and Firewire (which haven't been seen outside the MBP classic or Apple TB display - which can also be fairly described as 'outdated' - for several years now). "Non-future-proof" is also another good description. TB2 is certainly not "obsolete" just yet, but that doesn't alter the fact that TB3/USB-C is likely coming to Macs next year (don't forget the USB-C part: the fact that TB3 ports will also be USB-C/3.1 ports is going to be huge for people who don't need the full PCIe-onna-string capabilities of Thunderbolt. USB-C docks are already being announced and might be a better choice for some when the USB-C/TB3 Macs appear).

This will probably still hit the sweet spot for some people - but they've lost a lot of the people who would have bought this like a shot in 2013 but have had 2-3 years to get optical drives and Firewire out of their lives - who are also exactly the people likely to be upgrading as soon as TB3/USB-C appears. Meanwhile, there are now several well-established TB docks on sale, and prices have gone down since 2013 - while Sonnet's price seems to have crept up.
 
From the specs: "Mac® with a Thunderbolt or Thunderbolt 2 port" - pretty sure that applies to all the TB2 docks around. PCs require TB2 because of a driver limitation in Windows so there might be an issue if you're using Bootcamp.



True, you can't really criticise a dock available today for not having TB3 (or USB 3.1 since I don't know if OS X supports that yet). However, while I'd have bought this in a flash when it was announced 2 years ago, now... I'll probably replace my MBP in the next year and it seems likely that the replacement will have TB3/USB-C.

Yeah I'm also looking to upgrade in the next year or so. I didn't realize (or forgot) that TB3 uses USB-C. That's going to be pretty cool because the two technologies should be much more interchangeable now and hopefully will see widespread adoption. Hopefully Apple comes out with a 4k/5k/whatever Thunderbolt Display 2 around the same time. However, I'm pretty undecided on what exactly I want. I find myself needing to have a Macbook Pro form factor less and less, but it's still handy to have. But I could save money by just getting an iMac, or I could go long-term and get a lower-end Mac Pro with a 4k display and just upgrade it over time.
 
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Yeah I'm also looking to upgrade in the next year or so. I didn't realize (or forgot) that TB3 uses USB-C. That's going to be pretty cool because the two technologies should be much more interchangeable now and hopefully will see widespread adoption. Hopefully Apple comes out with a 4k/5k/whatever Thunderbolt Display 2 around the same time. However, I'm pretty undecided on what exactly I want. I find myself needing to have a Macbook Pro form factor less and less, but it's still handy to have. But I could save money by just getting an iMac, or I could go long-term and get a lower-end Mac Pro with a 4k display and just upgrade it over time.


Mac Pro hopefully gets an upgrade in January. Needs new ports, move video card options, now display and most importantly...an option for a high end i7 Skylake processor to keep the cost reasonable for those of us who want expandability and affordability.
 
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I don't understand the need for docks these days. With the possible exception of an additional display (I don't have that), I don't see the need to attach anything to the computer in these modern days. Printers, additional storage, tv, speakers, etc. - I have them all, but not one is attached to my Mac. Everything's fine on the my network and works with everything else. We really need to move on people.

Unplugging card readers/hard drive raids/monitors/trackballs/editing console/speakers can get tedious if you're doing it a few times a day. A thunderbolt dock makes it one cable while giving you extra ports like audio in and ethernet and a handful of USB's. Some people's needs are different than yours. :)
 
I don't understand the need for docks these days. With the possible exception of an additional display (I don't have that), I don't see the need to attach anything to the computer in these modern days. Printers, additional storage, tv, speakers, etc. - I have them all, but not one is attached to my Mac. Everything's fine on the my network and works with everything else. We really need to move on people.
I doubt my 3TB Aperture library would be much fun to use over wifi. I imagine editing video would be even worse. Thunderbolt was a godsend.
 
A dock with a fan. No thanks.
Well, that what makes the device pro: it works even when things heat up a bit. Same thing for thunderlock.
The MacBook uses already USB 3.1 and the Skylake processors in the newest iMacs support TB3.
Yep, it supports tb3, but does not have it. This tells a lot about how Apple develops macs these years...
Bring the ultimate hub-dock for Mac:
4 Thunderbolt 3 ports.
There has not been any tb-hubs, only 2-port daisy-chaining devices.
Maybe this would get too expensive or design idea is that there's same bandwidth end-to-end.

But with the introduction of tb3, there might be a market for combined tb3-tb2 adapter and splitter.

Overall problem of tb was too high prices. If they would have started with half prices, they would be 1/10 now. Economy of scale. Tb always lagging on gen of dp versions does not help either.
 
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Unplugging card readers/hard drive raids/monitors/trackballs/editing console/speakers can get tedious if you're doing it a few times a day. A thunderbolt dock makes it one cable while giving you extra ports like audio in and ethernet and a handful of USB's. Some people's needs are different than yours. :)
Speakers, drives and trackball do not need to be physically connected to the computers in 2015. My point is that physical connections are dying off. It may be that you still have older equipment which is fine. But as you upgrade you should think of putting the raid on the network so that you can access it from any machine anywhere. Speakers should be AirPlay preferably or at least Bluetooth. Trackball like mice, keyboards, trackpads etc can and should be Bluetooth. I don't know about the editing consoles, but card readers are legit for now since camera wifi are still very slow. But that should change quickly.

Bottom line is that for older equipment this could be helpful, but as you upgrade and lose the cables, this dock will become worthless. I have upgraded almost everything in the last year, so I am already there and totally love the freedom of no wires. This is why I do not see an issue with Apple getting rid of ports. The reality is that physical connections are going away.
 
Speakers, drives and trackball do not need to be physically connected to the computers in 2015.

Really?

True, you could use bluetooth speakers (although I've got a nice Creative 5.1 set up that I bought years ago and am in no hurry to replace).

I guess you could also stick to Bluetooth for mice and keyboards (I mostly use an external mouse and keyboard when my laptop is on the desk) but Bluetooth products still seem to be skewed to mobile use and, until recently, have also been ravenous battery-eaters. To be fair, my current MX Master mouse does support bluetooth LE, but I've seen negative comments about latency and until Apple come up with a wireless version of their full-size keyboard its just as easy to plug the micro-dongle for the mouse into the keyboard.

(A depressing number of PC motherboards still have PS/2 sockets for pity's sake...)

However, when it comes to storage: while 11ac is just about catching up with 1Gbps ethernet (when it comes to actual performance rather than theory) but meanwhile wired connections have been maintaining their lead, with USB 3.1 already appearing (10Gbps) and Thunderbolt 3 (40gbps) in the pipeline - plus a move from HD to SSDs that can actually take advantage of those speeds. Of course, wired connections have a gulf between theoretical speed and practical speed too, but not as big (or environment-sensitive) as WiFi.

Sorry, WiFi is great for situations where a cable would be a deal breaker, but where using a wire or fibre is an option, I'm gonna take it. Also, radio spectrum doesn't grow on trees, and there's only so many WiFi devices that can operate in your office/street before speeds and reliability start to fall off.
 
Speakers, drives and trackball do not need to be physically connected to the computers in 2015.
  • Speakers: Bluetooth might be ok, but Airplay has way to much latency to use it for sound while using a computer. If you watch any video on your computer and the audio is lagging the image by a second or two, that really destroys the experience. But also for any other sound effects, if you click on something and the sound that should be triggered comes with a delay, this can be very annoying as well.
  • Drives: For backup purposes a wireless connection is fine (but you cannot create clones over WiFi unless you have another Mac at other end and use the right software, and online backup often also can only backup directly attached drives). You can get by putting raw files on a NAS and, eg, a Lightroom catalogue on an internal drive but as soon as your directly connected drive is a RAID (or even just a single SSD), there are a lot of use cases where there will be a huge difference in speed.
  • Monitors: Connected wirelessly, the suffer from the same latency problem that audio has. Even via Ethernet, the delay is annoying (I've used Screenrecyler for years, which is based on VNC, so I have some experience).
  • Keyboards, mice, trackpads: Here a wireless connection via Bluetooth is definitely fast enough. But this is partly made possible by their close proximity to the computer and low data bandwidth needed.
But as you upgrade you should think of putting the raid on the network so that you can access it from any machine anywhere.
Not an advantage if you only have one machine. And speed-wise, why get an expensive RAID only to hobble the speed to that of a single drive by connecting to it via WiFi?
I have upgraded almost everything in the last year, so I am already there and totally love the freedom of no wires.
You are connecting to an external monitor wirelessly? No, didn't think so.

So let's summarise who cannot get rid of cables carrying data:
  1. People who want clone-type backups.
  2. People who want online backups.
  3. People that have an external monitor.
  4. People that need/have fast external drives (RAID, SSD).
  5. People that need to transfer images from a camera.
 
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Really?

True, you could use bluetooth speakers (although I've got a nice Creative 5.1 set up that I bought years ago and am in no hurry to replace).

I guess you could also stick to Bluetooth for mice and keyboards (I mostly use an external mouse and keyboard when my laptop is on the desk) but Bluetooth products still seem to be skewed to mobile use and, until recently, have also been ravenous battery-eaters. To be fair, my current MX Master mouse does support bluetooth LE, but I've seen negative comments about latency and until Apple come up with a wireless version of their full-size keyboard its just as easy to plug the micro-dongle for the mouse into the keyboard.

(A depressing number of PC motherboards still have PS/2 sockets for pity's sake...)

However, when it comes to storage: while 11ac is just about catching up with 1Gbps ethernet (when it comes to actual performance rather than theory) but meanwhile wired connections have been maintaining their lead, with USB 3.1 already appearing (10Gbps) and Thunderbolt 3 (40gbps) in the pipeline - plus a move from HD to SSDs that can actually take advantage of those speeds. Of course, wired connections have a gulf between theoretical speed and practical speed too, but not as big (or environment-sensitive) as WiFi.

Sorry, WiFi is great for situations where a cable would be a deal breaker, but where using a wire or fibre is an option, I'm gonna take it. Also, radio spectrum doesn't grow on trees, and there's only so many WiFi devices that can operate in your office/street before speeds and reliability start to fall off.

  • Speakers: Bluetooth might be ok, but Airplay has way to much latency to use it for sound while using a computer. If you watch any video on your computer and the audio is lagging the image by a second or two, that really destroys the experience. But also for any other sound effects, if you click on something and the sound that should be triggered comes with a delay, this can be very annoying as well.
  • Drives: For backup purposes a wireless connection is fine (but you cannot create clones over WiFi unless you have another Mac at other end and use the right software, and online backup often also can only backup directly attached drives). You can get by putting raw files on a NAS and, eg, a Lightroom catalogue on an internal drive but as soon as your directly connected drive is a RAID (or even just a single SSD), there are a lot of use cases where there will be huge difference in speed.
  • Monitors: Connected wirelessly, the suffer from the same latency problem that audio has. Even via Ethernet, the delay is annoying (I've used Screenrecyler for years, it is based on VNC).
  • Keyboards, mice, trackpads: Here a wireless connection via Bluetooth is definitely fast enough. But this is partly made possible by their close proximity to the computer and low data bandwidth needed.
Not an advantage if you only have one machine. And speed-wise, why get an expensive RAID only to hobble the speed to that of a single drive by connecting to via WiFi?

You are connecting to an external monitor wirelessly? No, didn't think so.

So let's summarise who cannot get rid of cables carrying data:
  1. People who want clone-type backups.
  2. People who want online backups.
  3. People that have an external monitor.
  4. People that need/have fast external drives (RAID, SSD).
  5. People that need to transfer images from a camera.

Clearly there are use cases that still require wires these days and I have acknowledged those. Still you must agree that this is not the direction of the future.

RAID -- we stopped connecting external drives at work years ago. everything is now on the network and you should store everything on your network drive not on the local computer drive. At home, my desktop is connected to my home network via a Cat6e wire. I have a local backup drive on the network that backs up my computer and my wifi connected laptop. I use iCloud for my off site backup and storage. I have no issues with this at all.

Speakers -- i use them for music and not for video, so again airplay or bluetooth work perfectly. For video, if there is significant latency then I guess that makes sense to hard wire. However, i have a separate surround sound system for my tv and I either use the AppleTV or airplay to the Apple TV. In this method, I have had no lag issues an no wires connected to the computer.

Mice, Keyboards, Trackpads -- I went wireless with them when I bought my iMac in 2012. Still using the same computer, but upgraded to the magic version this year to eliminate the need for batteries.

Monitors -- at work I run dual monitors and for this there is currently no wireless option. This is definitely one use case that has not been addressed. Although I can say that several of our projectors in conference rooms can now accept a wireless feed from computers, so I think this is something that is evolving. At home I do not have external monitors. When needed, i can airplay to the TV -- no wires.

Printers -- dropped the wires years ago. no issues at work or at home.

Home Network. I have run cat6e cable and have the Apple TV, the router, the remote drive (4TB) and the desktop all hardwired. The printer, the laptop, two ipads, two iphones are all wireless running 11n or 11ac.

At work, I have a network cable, a power cord and two monitors hardwired to my computer. Nothing else.
At home, my desktop has a network cable and a power cord. Although I can wifi to my nikon, i do use a card reader when I need to download a bunch of photos (once a month or so)
At home, my laptop has a power cord when recharging is needed.

I understand that we cannot be completely wireless today, but I would hope that if you look at the not too distant future you can see that wireless everything and everything in the cloud are things that a lot of companies are pumping a great deal of energy into. When I go to invest my money on technology, I try to solve my Today problems but always with an eye to Tomorrow. Solving a Today problem while clinging to Yesterday means that your transition to the future will be more difficult.
 
This product is about 3 years too late. That's how long ago it was announced http://wp.me/p1xtr9-17uD
I don't care about an optical drive, I don't think I have a disc anywhere anyways. I do like the internal capacity for (2) 2.5" drives. Never been a fan of Esata and I sold all my FW 800 stuff long ago.
"So for those reasons, I'm out" (Any other Shark Tank fans out there?)

My current setup is
Caldigit Thunderbolt box
Caldigit T3 thunderbolt raid
Caldigit usb 3.0 external drive
2 monitors (2560x1440) one 1080P,
Lexar Workflow 4 card reader USB 3.0
OWC Mercury Rack Pro USB 3.0 (4) 2TB Drives

All plugged into my Retina MBP with one TB cable. I have all the ports on my MBPr available if I ned to plug in something else quickly and the Caldigit USB 3.0 port in the front is being used by my iPhone.

That all WORKS on one bus??

I don't understand the need for docks these days. With the possible exception of an additional display (I don't have that), I don't see the need to attach anything to the computer in these modern days. Printers, additional storage, tv, speakers, etc. - I have them all, but not one is attached to my Mac. Everything's fine on the my network and works with everything else. We really need to move on people.

You obviously don't deal with huge content files that need ASAP and time-dependent delivery. Other people do, and going all wireless is not a solution for them. You're incorrectly presuming your own use case is universal (or should be treated as such).

Clearly there are use cases that still require wires these days and I have acknowledged those. Still you must agree that this is not the direction of the future.
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Mice, Keyboards, Trackpads -- I went wireless with them when I bought my iMac in 2012. Still using the same computer, but upgraded to the magic version this year to eliminate the need for batteries.
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At work, I have a network cable, a power cord and two monitors hardwired to my computer. Nothing else. At home, my desktop has a network cable and a power cord. Although I can wifi to my nikon, i do use a card reader when I need to download a bunch of photos (once a month or so) At home, my laptop has a power cord when recharging is needed.

I understand that we cannot be completely wireless today, but I would hope that if you look at the not too distant future you can see that wireless everything and everything in the cloud are things that a lot of companies are pumping a great deal of energy into. When I go to invest my money on technology, I try to solve my Today problems but always with an eye to Tomorrow. Solving a Today problem while clinging to Yesterday means that your transition to the future will be more difficult.

You're claiming to acknowledge people having different use-cases than you, but then you repeat why you think those people are behind the times.

• not everyone wants to throw away and re-purchase mouse and keyboard when the sealed-in rechargeable batteries become useless. There's some sense behind laptops and phones not having replaceable batteries while they're forcibly obsoleted (yes, I mean that literally) by software "upgrades". Mice and keyboards do NOT apply here. My wired Apple aluminum keyboard with numeric keys will continue to be useful long after the computers it has attached to have been recycled. Disposable mice and keyboards are environmentally and economically awful (but great for Apple's sales figures).

• there's not enough bandwidth for everything to be wireless, especially in shared spaces. This is a fact of physics. Companies like Verizon are actively rejecting this physical fact of reality because they get more profit selling wireless contracts than by maintaining physical infrastructure of copper and fiber (they've given up rolling out fiber, in fact, failing to roll out all they promised to roll out when they were getting millions of dollars in government subsidies, so if you don't have access to their FiOS today, you're probably never going to).

• people that need huge data to be transfered on time will always have that requirement. Cloud services and wireless networks will likely never catch up to this use requirement. They're certainly not even close today. If you think it's fine enough, you're not the kind of use-case that needs wires. That's fine for you, and for people like you. If you still want to be consuming content (music, television, movies, etc), then you have to allow for content creators to be served by wires (or optical cables; where are all of our fiber optics?? This isn't the future we were told about!). Hell, internet service providers in the USA have abysmal speed and reliability ratings. Througg exactly what conduit do you expect this magical wireless internet access to be provided, so that everyone can have blazing fast cloud access for the terabytes of time-dependent data to be delivered while editing 4K movies?

• musicians using tools with hundreds of gigabytes of sample data cannot and never will be storing that wirelessly, and certainly not on some magical mythical super cloud. If I can't run BFD2 from a 5400 rpm hard drive, I'm sure as hell not going to be running it from a wireless connection.

It's as if you think people should cripple their work processes just to please "where everything is headed"? Where everything is headed, in your examples, appears to be based entirely on the lowest common denominator end-user/consumer or basic text and charts-based office space. But even there, that path is not sustainable. If everyone in your building uses wireless signals for everythung, you're not going to have a great time (well, your IT help desk slaves will be miserable for sure, since they'll have practical experience in knowing why their managers' "all wireless" plan was ludicrous). In that "where things are headed" scenario, really, it's all headed for a mess (if it's expected that wires will be eliminated entirely).

If you want the world of the future, you ought to consider the hard limits imposed by physical reality. We are still bound by physics. Science fiction doesn't care sbout such things, so your world will NEVER be like you see on tv (and I really can't stand the obsession with "holographic" interfaces; beyond ludicrous but also a huge and popular fad in tv, making uneducated people think it's inevitable; it's not).

Eventually, once everything is the way corporations want it (with their ability to reap planet-sized profits with near-zero infrastructure or investment), people will be paying a tax for the "privilege" to stress over everything being barely functional at all. Blithely promoting that future, as your posts feel to me, is what has me irritated enough to write all of this.
 
At home, my desktop is connected to my home network via a Cat6e wire.

You're talking about the "direction of the future" and yet you use the word "desktop"... the concept of replacing your desktop with a laptop isn't even very new. The whole point of interfaces like thunderbolt and USB-C is that, when your laptop is docked, it can have desktop levels of connectivity.

I have a local backup drive on the network that backs up my computer and my wifi connected laptop. I use iCloud for my off site backup and storage. I have no issues with this at all.

Good for you. WiFi is perfectly good for Time Machine backups and similar that chug away in the background and aren't particularly time critical. Then your disc dies and you want to boot from your backup drive....

Speakers -- i use them for music and not for video

So thats you sorted. Meanwhile other people use their computer to edit video, or use video for work purposes that don't entail retiring to the couch with a beer and streaming to the big telly. Heck, even gamers quite like the bang and the flash to happen at roughly the same time.

Monitors -- at work I run dual monitors and for this there is currently no wireless option.

Another memo from the way of the future: 4k is here, 5k is partly here and there's probably nothing we can do to avoid 8k. I wouldn't hold your breath for wireless 5k solutions when even the best currently available wired solution needs two cables.

Printers -- dropped the wires years ago. no issues at work or at home.
Yes, the nice thing about printers is that, unlike a 5k monitor, you can get by with refresh rates measured in 'pages per minute' rather than 'frames per second'.

Home Network. I have run cat6e cable and have the Apple TV, the router, the remote drive (4TB) and the desktop all hardwired.

Hang on - what's this "cat6e cable" stuff you keep talking about. Subtle clues in the name suggest to me that it might be some sort of, you know, cable... Oh and when WiFi has advanced to the stage of actually delivering the same throughput as 1Gb ethernet, those existing Cat6e cables should be capable of running 10Gb ethernet.

The printer, the laptop, two ipads, two iphones are all wireless running 11n or 11ac.

but I would hope that if you look at the not too distant future you can see that wireless everything and everything in the cloud are things that a lot of companies are pumping a great deal of energy into.

You're looking very narrowly into the future. Currently, I don't need 1Gbps ethernet to get to the cloud because my cruddy ADSL connection just about manages 2-3Mbps - I need to get round to improving that real soon now. 11ac may seem great for accessing the spinning rust in your NAS, but when you NAS is sporting PCIe SSD that WiFi is going to be a bottleneck. When all your neighbours are streaming 8k video to their 100" TVs via Future WiFi, is that going to leave any air for your own WiFi? To re-iterate: wireless is improving, but so are wires.

Or don't you want your computer to get faster in the future?
 
I don't understand the need for docks these days.

It makes a wonderful setup for a MacBook Pro to desktop. You can have your 27" or whatever monitor, plus USB keyboard (daskeyboard for me), backup hard drive, ethernet connection, sound (if you wish) all plugged into the dock. Bring your MBP home and with one TB cable instantly convert to a nice desktop. Need to hit the road, unplug one cable and take everything you need with you.
 
I purchased this awhile back and waited over a year to receive it. When it arrived it was extremely well built but it is fairly large. I returned it because the fan noise was too high for the desktop. I tried using it under my monitor and then under my 2013 Mac Pro. But it produced more noise than the computer! I decided to add an OWC Thunderbolt 2 dock plus a CalDigit Thunderbolt dock instead. They are both silent.
 
I don't understand the need for docks these days. With the possible exception of an additional display (I don't have that), I don't see the need to attach anything to the computer in these modern days. Printers, additional storage, tv, speakers, etc. - I have them all, but not one is attached to my Mac. Everything's fine on the my network and works with everything else. We really need to move on people.

Izzat the royal we or just you writ larger?
 
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