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The app redesign really isn’t that bad from a UI perspective.

It’s definitely more streamlined which I suspect is to complement the headphone addition as well as Sonos Pro (business) admin functionality like locking down volume controls per location.

We live in an age of social media where the loudest and most irritated voices get heard the most. Willing to bet my house that 99% of people who had a temper tantrum and threatened to sell their equipment did no such thing.

They are probably the same people who have quit Netflix at least 9 or 10 times on each price hike thread and then the "not letting people share one subscription" threads. I don't know how to quit more than 1 time but it appears many know how to quit many times. ;)
 
Speaks to a larger issue in the entire tech industry.

People get an app. People learn to use the app. People like the app. Maybe the app has minor bugs but it's generally at least usable.

Then company decides to redesign app, usually for no obvious good reason. I suspect it's either someone did some (likely highly biased) UX testing, or designers just needed to ensure their job security (or maybe both). Or they needed to add a new feature or fix a bug and used it as an excuse to push some new design language that the company paid way too much to have made for them.

New app sucks, people complain. Company issues empty apology and promises to fix it "soon". In the meantime paid customers still have a crappy app for no good reason.

Now, combine that with app store models that forbid downgrades, mix in the idea that security updates come with design changes whether you like it or not, and wrap it up in an agile software dev strategy that insists on frequent updates and thus discourages really conscientious and thoroughly tested software development.

Sadly I don't see this getting better, since basically every big player in the tech industry has adopted this model, so it isn't like you can just "vote with your wallet" anymore. (On traditional PCs you might be able to use Linux to reduce your dependence on this nonsense, but even that has its own host of issues.)

It’s a tale as old as time. 30 years ago stores would rearrange the shelves for no reason. Today they redesign their Mobile app for no apparent reason.
 
They are probably the same people who have quit Netflix at least 9 or 10 times on each price hike thread and then the "not letting people share one subscription" threads. I don't know how to quit more than 1 time but it appears many know how to quit many times. ;)
If I’m being really honest, they probably don’t have the money to replace their system either, even after selling it. Prices have gone up.

Also, in my experience and many other professionals’ experience, price sensitive consumers tend to complain the most. Something stops working or project isn’t going exactly to plan and the complaints start flowing, often with vitriol, hatred and threats.
 
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Almost 3 months before CEO decides to issue an apology? Oy Vey.... 🥲
I don't know what's worse, ignoring the issue and apologizing after 3 months or pretending like there's no issue or it's a very minor one that's affecting a small number of users while the vast majority are having a positive experience.

We are aware that a small number of users are having issues with their ____________________ and for that we are sorry. The vast majority of __________ customers are having a positive experience with the new __________.
 
I make apps that undoubtedly have smaller user bases than Sonos. It is hard to remove functionality that you'd like to be rid of because you think it is bad, useless, or has too much technical debt to lift. I'm grappling with a conundrum similar to that right now. Generally speaking, my approach is never to remove unless I have a clear story on what new features replace the need for the removed feature. The problem I'm dealing with doesn't really have a replacement, it is a subtraction to better improve consistency across web, iOS and Android. Unfortunately, those affected by it will not see it from that vantage point. But to support what exists will basically create a disparity of functionality between platforms because the mobile apps cannot do what the old web app UI could.

Tough problems...I appreciate their difficulties but their comms on this was poor nonetheless.
 
Almost 3 months before CEO decides to issue an apology? Oy Vey.... 🥲
The only language most American CEOs speak is money. 3 months is a quarter. This is long enough to see an impact on their bottom line. Impact noted, apology issued, and CEO continues to make millions of dollars.
 
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I'm not sure what anyone uses the Sonos app for anyways, at least if they use iOS. Just airplay to the thing and be done with it?

I sometimes use Airplay- particularly to enjoy a substantial ripped library, streaming from my Mac to Sonos (or all speakers) and sometimes use their app, to enjoy their own, high quality stations and/or the multitude of music sources beyond only ripped music or Apple Music.

Use their app and I don't burn some energy on an iDevice as source of an airplay stream. Instead they are receiving a direct feed of the stream themselves.

Both have a place in my use and I enjoy that flexibility to use both. One great benefit of the new app vs. the former S2 app is now the ability to play favorite stream sources is on the Home Screen instead of 2-3 or so clicks away... and I could organize that Home Screen as I want it.
 
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Why not just go back to old app.

Issue a public beta app.

When ready for prime time migrate all to the beta app be releasing as update to the old app.

It’s only hard if you want it to be or if there is another objective at play.

I could not agree more. Rather than force me to beta test for them, I would have preferred the choice of keeping the old App or beta testing the new one. My experience to date with Sonos would have led me to not beta test for them. I currently have invested $6,000 into their speakers and find them to be big on promise, so so on execution. I bought into it because at the time if you wanted wireless speakers to play in sync all over your home they were the best game in town, and most of the time it worked. Now that Apple has caught up on the airplay experience I regret getting in to Sonos and don't see me buying anything more of theirs. Hindsight.

But hey, if their App redesign ultimately becomes stable, and if it becomes as easy to set up, maintain, and run as AirPlay and HomePods, then I will be happy again.
 
3 days after Wirecutter decided to no longer endorse Sonos as the best:
“…
We are completely re-envisioning this guide and will no longer recommend the Sonos multiroom audio platform as the best overall choice. Please see our note at the top of the guide for more details.
July 2024 …”


Coincidence? 🤔
 
3 days after Wirecutter decided to no longer endorse Sonos as the best:
“…
We are completely re-envisioning this guide and will no longer recommend the Sonos multiroom audio platform as the best overall choice. Please see our note at the top of the guide for more details.
July 2024 …”


Coincidence? 🤔
This 100 %

Sonos CEO didn't GAF until impact to bottom line becaue a steady source of income going bye bye when WireCutter / NYTimes removes them as a top pick.

Probably the right time for the board to replace the CEO after multiple missteps.
 
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Then company decides to redesign app, usually for no obvious good reason. I suspect it's either someone did some (likely highly biased) UX testing, or designers just needed to ensure their job security (or maybe both). Or they needed to add a new feature or fix a bug and used it as an excuse to push some new design language that the company paid way too much to have made for them.
Based on the Apps I've seen lately and having been involve with "UX testing" over the years, I don't think anyone does that anymore.
 
"Let's really screw things up and then apologize! It will not only get us more free press, but it will also make customers believe that we are listening".
 
Sonos has well designed hardware, and this is a huge learning lesson for them on the software side. They must not get behind on maintaining their code base, and surely this will not happen again. I think there’s a bright future ahead for Sonos as they rebuild the trust and eventually the software will not only be up to par but presumably will be much easier for them to maintain.
At least their CEO admits that there is something wrong. Butterfly keyboard, bend gate, antenna gate, stripes on your laptop screens… I’ve never heard that Apple has ever admit they did something wrong. Only great leaders do. So kudos to the ceo of Sonos. Some companies only silently admit when they got a class action lawsuit and lose (hear that Timmy?)
 
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"Let's really screw things up and then apologize! It will not only get us more free press, but it will also make customers believe that we are listening".
At least they react and act accordingly. How long did it take Apple to get rid of the butterfly keyboard? How many lawsuits did they get? Tens of thousands were affected. Did you hear any explaining or excuse?
 
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Why hasn't Spence been turfed? The Sonos share price has tanked. Sales are down. The overpriced and under-spec'd Ace headphone that was supposed to save the company appears to be a flop. Longtime users are abandoning the platform. Many of those who remain are fuming.

After two months of frustration -- laggy controls, regular system-not-found and content-unavailable messages, no access to my music library or Qobuz favourites, etc. -- and learning that the company has changed track and is now selling user data to third parties, I've ditched the updated app and switched to Sonophone for Sonos. Have had it on my iPhone and Mac desktop for a week: snappy, more intuitive, less tapping and swiping, rock-solid performance and access to everything (disclaimer: I don't have a soundbar or the headphones, only Sonos speakers and an Amp). It's like the good ol' days. Can't recommend it highly enough.
 
Apparently Sonos had to redesign the app to set it up for future features, and acknowledged that it would temporarily lose some features until they could be built back in--"two steps back to ultimately leap into the future". https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/1...-widely-criticized-app-redesign-took-courage/

The natural question then is why not wait to release the redesigned app until all the features, or at least all the important ones, are built back in. My guess is Sonos couldn't or didn't want to devote the time and resources required to build it up while also maintaining the old app.
 
That’s normal for sonos. They had updates which broke the subwoofers, and took months to fix
The updated app also screwed up subwoofers wired to a Sonos Amp. They're supposed to have issued a fix by now but haven't seen any confirmation that they have or that it works.
 
A complex problem that even Apple struggles with. The HomeKit app with the Music app, Airplay, Bonjour protocol plus complex wifi changes, more than a bit challenging. Nowhere near trouble free. Can be very frustrating. Apple has the resources, still a convoluted mess.

Sonos wanted to have one app that controlled the music, the devices, over wifi. Magnitudes more Challenging in all aspects. Not as easy as throwing resources at the challenges.

Macrumors cannot even get the many bugs in their autocorrect to work, for years. Technology not always as easy as we would like it to perform well.
 
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