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Yes, if it is in itunes you can access it.

Nope.

I have iTunes Match but not Apple Music. Since the music isn't stored locally I can't access it at all with my Sonos. AirPlay is a feature that is sorely lacking. I'd also love to have to ability to push other audio (like a sports game when I'm in the kitchen without a TV) to the Sonos.
 
I had AudioEngine A2s that were on my desk. For near-field listening they were fantastic. However, their bass response was inadequate and I had to add a subwoofer (total expense $350). I now have 2 Sonos Play:1 speakers located about 6 feet from me to both my right and left (total expense $350, normally $200 each but purchased in a boxed set when on sale).

In my opinion, and this is purely subjective, the 2 Play:1 speakers sound better than the pair of AudioEngine A2s. I will say that I have found that the Play:1s are very sensitive to speaker location. When I first bought them and placed them on my desk in the exact location of the AudioEngine A2s I could not stand them and actually returned them. Thought about better locations and re-purchased.

I do totally agree that pairing the Play:1s is "necessary" to make them stand out. As a single speaker $200), I would label it as adequate. As a pair, they are very good ($350-$400). Add a subwoofer, and they are outstanding (now you are at about $1,100). Expensive? That is purely subjective. People spend far less on audio, and people spend way way way way more on audio.

And I also totally agree with you that the better comparison of devices is the Sonos Connect vs. Airport Express vs. Google Chromecast Audio. Each of those devices is designed to integrate "other" speakers/amps into the vendor's ecosystem. And to that extent, the Sonos Connect is vastly more costly ($350 vs. $100 vs. $35). Add to that that the Airport Express is a router with additional functionality and it is a better "deal" if you are wanting the AirPlay ecosystem.

On a side note, I do use AirPlay as well, mainly when sending video to an AppleTV. But in the past I also used AirPlay to send audio to my Denon receiver with built-in AirPlay. Without getting into every detail, Sonos is a miles and miles easier to use and more reliable experience.
Sounds like a good setup you got there, at that price point you are closer to the A5+ cost..

The A2s are very sensitive to placement too.

I actually paired my A2s with a miniDSP 2x4 HD (DAC + DSP) and a Monoprice subwoofer and couldn't be happier with the results. Totally flat frequency response from 20 Hz to 22 KHz. Easily rivals the performance of a much more expensive system.
 
how's the DTS support?

before you say I could get a converter, I would say that if you claim to be the best and your sound bar costs the most then you should have the converter onboard.
 
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I'm suffering from the same lack of understanding I guess. I've never used a Sonos system, but no one has actually been able to clearly describe what it provides that AirPlay or chromecast don't.

It's simple. It is independent. You only use your phone or iPad to control it rather than stream music to it. That way music does not get interrupted when you get a call or leave the house. It is configuration and hassle free. And it is the only system that true technology agnosts will use as it is absolutely the most simple system around.
 
No the music continues to play in all zones, but the ambience of two zones blending as one moves through is very effective.
My opinion Sonos has just done a much better job marketing their systems features and functionality. Many Sonos users don't know that AirPlay does the exact same thing.

The Sonos/Airplay thing has been going on for at least 5 years IMO - so could be a new generation of audio users now.
I haven't really noticed any generational divisions with this. Is it younger people using Sonos or Airplay?

If someone asked me my opinion on whether to use Sonos/Airplay/Chromecast. Id say:

If all your devices use iOS, macOS use AirPlay. If all your devices use Android use Chromecast. If your family has both get Sonus. That really seams like it is the only truly distinguishing features to me.
 
So all I have to do in order to get airplay to work on my $200+ Sonos speakers is to buy another $100+ device from Apple. Marketing brilliance,

You can do what you want, it doesn't bother me, I answered for those that already had the components. As it stands, I wouldn't bother using airplay on sonos.
 
how's the DTS support?

before you say I could get a converter, I would say that if you claim to be the best and your sound bar costs the most then you should have the converter onboard.

Unless matters have changed with recent firmware updates, the Playbar is confined to Dolby Digital (the lossy codec, not TrueHD) via an optical connection: http://www.sonos.com/en-gb/home-theater-faqs.html

So no direct DTS support, ditto DTS-HD and Dolby Atmos or TrueHD soundtracks will need 'down-rezzing' to Dolby Digital 5.1. On that basis the Playbar+sub+2xPlay1 is a highly convenient wireless 5.1 system and likely sounds good for what it is, but is no like-for-like substitute for a full AV receiver & speakers.
 
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I get people don't like Sonos, I've never understood why. See how that works? I dont get why the guy who posted previously would prefer 6 Chromecast dongles.

he probably had money invested in his existing sound systems, liked their sound and didn't want to replace them all.

i have a bunch of bose stuff and did the same thing except with airport expresses and the whaale app for ios.
 
You had me listening to your point...until you said "a fraction of the cost". You forgot a pretty key component to your system that will have a material impact on cost...speakers!

If you get an AppleTV and/or Airport Express, you still need to have speakers for each "zone" you want to create. Add that you also need amplification (either built into the speakers or via a stand-alone amp) and Sonos is absolutely NOT automatically more expensive in every case, mainly depending on speakers you consider comparable quality.

As an example (and I am comparing list prices of relatively comparable setups): 2 Sonos Play:1s $400 (often on sale 2 for $350) vs. AudioEngine A2 speakers $250 + AirPort Express $100 (Side note: You would also have to have wiring between the 2 speakers as well as from the Airport Express to 1 of the speakers).

Could you get less costly speakers than AudioEngine A2s? Of course you could. Could you get things used? Yup. But to make blanket statements that alternatives are "a fraction of the cost" is simply not accurate.

The arguments for/agains Sonos v. AirPlay v. Google Casting v. Bluetooth will never be solved on a chat board. There are simply pros and cons of each one of them, ranging from subjective points (sound quality, "too expensive") to objective points (bluetooth has limited connectivity distances, SonosNet stability over wifi stability).

The other thing that everyone in this thread that keeps pounding on AirPlay as being the same thing seems to be forgetting that each Sonos speaker has the ability to play everything on it's own, as in a chip for the full system. Once I start playing music on it I'm not tied to a device to keep streaming music to it. Nobody is taking that into account when they're talking about the price of the speakers. They're not just speakers, there is essentially a computer in every one.
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Using an aux jack to watch YouTube videos seems quite counter productive. What if I have an iPhone 7?! ;)

But the idea with the airport express is quite good. Why haven't I thought of this earlier?! Is it easy to switch between aux and "normal sonos"?
Wow, this idea makes me actually consider a sonos. Thanks for that!

This is exactly the setup Sonos suggests since they dont support AirPlay ;) Once its plugged in you can move the music to any speaker....it doesnt have to come out of the Play:5 its plugged into.
 
So all I have to do in order to get airplay to work on my $200+ Sonos speakers is to buy another $100+ device from Apple. Marketing brilliance,

No, you need to buy and extra Sonos device too. To be honest, I'm fine with it. AirPlay support in the Play1's would bump the price for every single speaker, and knowing Apple, not by an insignificant amount. Better to have the Airplay support in a single device, so we only have to pay the Apple tax once, or not at all.

I sort-of miss AirPlay, but then I remember that it was consistently terrible in reliability and usability. It's not something I'm interested in paying for.
 
If you have Sonos, airplay is not relevant. You can access your entire iTunes library from the Sonos app, as well as SiriusXM, Apple Music, and many others.

AirPlay is relevant if you want to stream a clip from the internet / social media. It's not a big issue, but very annoying when you really want to hear something on your main (Sonos-powered) system.

Apple and Sonos are such a good pairing, it's just plain stupid (read: petty politics) that Sonos doesn't support AirPlay.

Not the first to say this, but I really wish that Apple would buy Sonos. Not just for AirPlay integration but making a really good wifi speaker system is something you just know Apple are working on, burning up manpower and focus, when they won't really improve on Sonos in any really significant way, apart from software - which they could still do if they purchased Sonos.
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Sonos is so limited in what you can do. No bluetooth. No aux. If you have a guest over and want to hear their library, its a pain.

I purchased 6 Chromecast audio dongles and can do the same as Sonos but with more versatility and speakers of my choice.

The Sonos Play 5 (new and old model), and the Connect (Amp and Bridge) all offer Aux.
 
Never really understood the advantage of Sonos over Airplay, and I'm surprised that Apple is supporting a proprietary competing format in their stores.

Ever been AirPlaying something from your phone and gotten a phone call? What happens to the music?

That's one big advantage Sonos has over AirPlay. The music doesn't stop just because an event happens on the device that's controlling the speaker.
 
I bought an aiport express to airplay to my sonos speakers, the instructions are on the sonos website and it pretty much ends up working as an airport speaker but with the ability to choose any speaker or zone. I actually never use it now, just the sonos app since its been much easier. Mostly I just stream all my old cd's I sent to murfie.com to be ripped and I pay for the hifi lossless streaming option and that sounds great on my sonos connect connected to my true stereo hi-fi system, although I still use physical media SACD's. I also have the complete sonos 5.1 set and 2 new play 5's. I mostly listen to classical music. I pretty much subcribed to apple music so I can play my iTunes stuff through sonos without storing locally.
 
I used my Play:5 as my iMac's external speaker - I did this to bridge my iMac to my SONOS Network. By connecting the Play:5 to the iMac, the iMac is now an audio source than can be played back on just the Play:5, or on any/all other speakers (grouped however you'd like them grouped) on my SONOS Network.

So, when I want to playback audio via iTunes (wich has older playlists that contain DRM music), or Djay, or just have a YouTube video or ANY audio coming from my iMac, it plays out of the Play5, or with a few taps, I can group and select any of my other SONOS speakers just as I would with any other audio source.
 
Ever been AirPlaying something from your phone and gotten a phone call? What happens to the music?

That's one big advantage Sonos has over AirPlay. The music doesn't stop just because an event happens on the device that's controlling the speaker.
Interesting, I'd say that is an advantage for AirPlay. I don't want my loud music on in the background of my phone conversation.
 
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Interesting, I'd say that is an advantage for AirPlay. I don't want my loud music on in the background of my phone conversation.

Well, if my music were blaring, I wouldn't want it in the background either. However, there is something to be said for keeping music at a low volume in your office all day while you work, which is exactly why I have a Sonos speaker in my office.
 
I've always been confused about what Sonos does (probably because of poor communication from the marketing depart). I would love a wireless 7.1 sound system for my TV in my media room, but I always got the impression all Sonos was good for was distributing sound throughout your house (which I have zero interest in).

It sound from your post like Sonos speakers can be used the way i want, even though after spending way too much time looking on their site for that info it didn't seem like it was possible.

Look elsewhere. While you can probably set up Sonos equipment to get close to what you seek, you can do much better in ONE room with a good receiver and 7.1 speakers especially for that objective.

Sonos is really about whole home audio- mostly stereo- readily pumped & playable in any and all rooms. They have several options for making that work but the big point is being able to have some pretty-good (sounding) speakers playing (mostly music) audio anywhere in your home... or EVERYWHERE in your home. If the rooms are wired or not, wired network or wifi, they have all such bases covered well.

If you've been in some big store and roamed about section-to-section and heard the same music everywhere you go, that is somewhat THIS but at your house. Or maybe you want some songs from iTunes playing in a couple of rooms, Junior or Juniette wants other songs from iTunes playing in his/her/their rooms, etc, Sonos makes all that pretty easy and it sounds very good. Yes, it's possible to approximate the same with other products and various setups involving airplay, etc. but Sonos is pretty much "just works" simple, sounds good, and is arguably easier & more refined than many copycat options.

Having a party and want to play the same music all throughout your home? Sonos will do that well- even syncing it all up well so that there's not a little delay from room to room.

One of the biggest deals about Sonos vs. many other options is it's wireless reliance on wifi instead of Bluetooth. Much of what you've read about Bluetooth audio is true, especially the glaring weakness that comes from it's relatively limited audio bandwidth. Streaming audio via wifi doesn't hinder quality in that way. Head-to-head with the same speaker, it will SOUND better.

What you want is something different. You want super sound in ONE room. Sonos has some options to go in that direction but you'll get more for your money buying a receiver and dedicated speakers for your application. If you want to jack in that setup into an overall Sonos setup, you can buy a little box from Sonos to pump audio out and into the receiver so that your 7.1 speakers join into the chorus (of whole house speakers).

I hope that helps. Some of us will bash Sonos because it's not Apple but- IMO- Sonos is the most Apple-like player for this kind of thing going... including how they price their stuff.;) Yes, there are other ways to accomplish the same kinds of objectives but that could be said for products competing with Macs, iPhones, iPads, etc too. Sonos "just works" and "just works well" with iTunes. When iDevices leave the home with their owners, a Sonos system can still work just as fully and completely as ever.
 
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If someone asked me my opinion on whether to use Sonos/Airplay/Chromecast. Id say:

If all your devices use iOS, macOS use AirPlay. If all your devices use Android use Chromecast. If your family has both get Sonus. That really seams like it is the only truly distinguishing features to me.

I started out with a Sonos Connect unit linked to a B&O stereo and 3 generations later have 5 Sonos speakers and 1 Zp120 (amp + connect). So I started from HiFi and moved sideways into Digital Audio. Along the way I have had Win/Unix and now OSX. iOS I have only ever used to run the Sonos controller - never to listen with. So this is a third way that many Sonos users follow. Check out the Sonos forum, you'll see. There are even folks who mod the Sonos kit with ultra high quality digital audio components to get very very top end HiFi + the convenience of Digital Audio. The Airplay/Chromecast/Sonos arguments are pretty much irrelevant to the HiFi enthusiasts.
 
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Sonos :)

I don't need free three month deal since all new customers get that anyway... Just give me the speaker.
 
I really like my Sonos system -- I'll admit that it is expensive and the only reason why I was able to afford mine was because I have a family member that works for them and he gave me a code for a huge discount last Christmas. The system does have it's limitations as far as airplay goes. I've eliminated this drawback with the sonos soundbar connected to my TV that's also hooked to an Apple TV. With the new app update, I can skip and play music straight from the lockscreen -- as opposed to before where you had to unlock your phone and go to the app.

The one playback drawback is that the sonos app doesn't remember your itunes settings for songs. On some long EDM songs I like to have the song start/end at different times, but the Sonos app doesn't remember those settings.
 
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