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Why? Just why?

Because for those people who enjoy using/repairing/restoring older Apple hardware, the cost of purchasing the required operating system software can be far in excess of the original hardware. If you can find it in the first place, that is.

I couldn't use OS7.6 on my PowerBook 3400c because it did not have the original install disc, they were rarely on eBay and cost a fortune when they were, none of the free versions were compatible.
 
Because for those people who enjoy using/repairing/restoring older Apple hardware, the cost of purchasing the required operating system software can be far in excess of the original hardware. If you can find it in the first place, that is.

I couldn't use OS7.6 on my PowerBook 3400c because it did not have the original install disc, they were rarely on eBay and cost a fortune when they were, none of the free versions were compatible.

In the interest of keeping older hardware live whether for nostalgia or something else, I'd have to agree. Not like having an old Mac running OS9 is going to cut into sales of new Macs.
 
the old Mac OS still has allot of life left in it, allot of People think they have to have the latest and greatest to be able to do anything and anything under that they think is not useable. i can tell you that system 7.6 even on a 68k can still produce like a new system can. yea you cant do as much in some areas but that is not the point.

i still use OS 9.2.2 on my Mac for a few reasons, for one it has stuff for it that OS X wont or cant run. and 2 it 100% fully works with almost all the hardware on my system. don't get me wrong OS X is a great OS and i am by no means shooting it down (cause i use 10.4.9 on my Beige G3) i can say that OS X can do things that cant be done in OS 9 . both OS'es are great, its just one is a bit out of date in a few areas but by no means is it a bad OS.

i dont know why people think just cause its old that it's not useable anymore. i guess you can say they are closed minded about things. or just want to be a troll about stuff like this and trying to get people that use the older OSes fired up. i use OS 9.2.2 on my Beige G3 and 7.6.1 on my Performa 475. why, cause i can
 
Honestly I'm amazed that people insist that they don't "get" why so many of us like to do this. Maybe it's not for you, but you can't say you don't understand it.

Like OMG it's so old why would ANYBODY want to even TOUCH one of those!?!?!?
 
My grandad has to use parallels for his scanner as the only mac driver is for OS9, it would be cool to have it....
 
madmax_2069 said:
i dont know why people think just cause its old that it's not useable anymore. i guess you can say they are closed minded about things. or just want to be a troll about stuff like this and trying to get people that use the older OSes fired up.
I know I'm all fired up about this! :mad:

:rolleyes:

Okay, maybe not, but it was a great segway into this... the latest stuff I produced with some of my old software. These were generally made using Mac OS 8.6, but could have been made using 7, 8 or 9 on 68030 systems or better (though, obviously, the slower the processor, the longer it would take to produce the same results).


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I think that the minimum software I would need for this would be System 7 (free up to 7.5.5), Strata Vision 3D 4.0 (free... though I'm now using Strata StudioPro 1.5 which I got on ebay for $40), Strata VideoShop 3.0 (free) and Photoshop LE 4.0 (free) or LE 5.0 (free), or Elements 1.0 ($8). And with $10 for hardware for a 604 at 150 MHz or faster (or $25 for a Beige G3 All-in-One), I don't see where the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is all that steep anymore. :eek:

Even if the OS is not free, the small amount that you pay for it unlocks a massive amount of free or inexpensive software that can still produce great results.
 
rosalindavenue said:
Is that Deep Space Station K7?
Well, I call it the K9 (just in case anyone thinks that my model is a dog :p ). While there are plenty of references for the K7, when it came to doing the windows on it, I wanted the feel of the station as I recall seeing it originally in the early 70's rather than a perfectly accurate recreation.

Here are some more shots of the station...

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In the end what I've found so surprising is that if I (a complete naivest) can produce this type of stuff with circa 1995 technology, why is it that people weren't actually producing models of the Enterprise to this level back then? For example this image was featured in a July of 1999 Star Trek Magazine. Before I started this stuff in December of last year, I figured that (using 1994 software on a 1997 PowerBook) that I would be lucky to get anywhere close to that. Now I sorta wonder how that was passable for use in a 1999 official Paramount Trek magazine. :eek:

I mean, really, I'm completely new at this and using software that was available 12 to 14 years ago, yet I don't seem to find really nice starship models popping up until 2000-2001. The only thing that I can think of is no one was motivated enough to put the time into it. But the tools were absolutely there... my images can attest to that fact. Anything I've done could have been done by someone with the same tools in 1995.

Even today I'm amazed that people have spent hundreds (or thousands) to do this type of modeling based on the assumption that only the newest hardware and software is up to the task.

dpaanlka said:
Honestly I'm amazed that people insist that they don't "get" why so many of us like to do this. Maybe it's not for you, but you can't say you don't understand it.
Yeah, I've always been one to point out that people were doing quality work on old systems with old software back when they were high priced new systems running high priced new software. There shouldn't be any surprise when people are able to produce at least equal quality work with those exact same tools today.

Beyond the need for native versions of Adobe software for Intel Macs, is there really anything so incredible in the Creative Suite 3 that justifies Adobe's new monopolistic prices?

At some point people have to snap out of the consumer mindset that has them buying new stuff simply because it is new and what they have is now old. Wake up people! Upgrade when you have a real need. Stop buying stuff just because a corporation as basically told you to! :eek:
 
yea i remember you posting those in another thread, and man those are awesome looking, you defiantly have talent and a eye for detail. you rock. i bet there is allot more you could have added on top of that to make them even more lifelike.

so you say a 68k could do the same thing as above (altho more time consuming cause the slower cpu speed). man i got to get that software you are using and give it a go. i love doing stuff like that it gives you a good feeling once you are done making something out of nothing. even to someone with no 3d or 2d modeling experience it would be fun for some people to learn to do.
 
madmax_2069 said:
so you say a 68k could do the same thing as above (altho more time consuming cause the slower cpu speed).
I'd be willing to bet that I could do the same stuff on my Quadra 950 (maybe not the animation, as it would take too long) without the PowerPC 601 upgrade that is in it. Considering the amount of memory I have (136 MB) and the fact that I have Photoshop 4.0 (which was universal), making single frame images like this wouldn't be any harder than using my PowerPC systems now. Infact, my Quadra 950 might even be better than my PowerBook 3400c as the PowerBook only has 80 MB of memory.

The only thing that stops me for doing this on that system is that the three 21" displays are all grayscale.
 
the reason i asked is cause i have a Performa 475 with a full 040 40mhz CPU (curently running at the stock 25mhz) 132mb ram. 1.2gb HDD, 1mb vram, running Os 7.6.1, and a LaCie External SCSI CDRW drive. soon i will be setting it to 33mhz , and even try 40mhz when i get the proper parts. and would love to take a stab at it with the P 475.

if that fails i could use my AIO in my sig lol.
 
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