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It’s not outside of the realm of possibility.

So its not outside the realm of the possibilities to dissociate one from the other. Now, disassociating a Starbucks shop from Starbucks would make no sense in US or Canada. It does not Franchise in these countries. It would be something else’s shop.

Starbucks business model is so different world wide. For instance, Starbucks does not require you to be a Franchiser to buy Coffee for yourself . Franchising is regulated in many countries by the way.

Now Apple, sells you the “land” over which its store is built (in your pocket= as well as license the use of the store itself. Only after that and than you are able to consume coffee. Indeed the App Store its a Miracle as it is.

Anyway. The discussion of the differences in businesses model between companies, more so with so distinct products its beyond the scope of this discussion.
 
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So its not outside the realm of the possibilities to dissociate one from the other. Now, disassociating a Starbucks shop from Starbucks would make no sense in US or Canada. It does not Franchise in these countries. It would be something else’s shop.

Starbucks business model is so different world wide. For instance, Starbucks does not require you to be a Franchiser to buy Coffee for yourself . Franchising is regulated in many countries by the way.

Now Apple, sells you the “land” over which its store is built (in your pocket= as well as license the use of the store itself. Only after that and than you are able to consume coffee. Indeed the App Store its a Miracle as it is.

Anyway. The discussion of the differences in businesses model between companies, more so with so distinct products its beyond the scope of this discussion.
Nothing is outside the realm of possibility. That isn’t the point.
 
Nothing is outside the realm of possibility. That isn’t the point.

So true.

For instance. It would be possible for the article title to be “South Korea wants to regulate App Stores”. That would be to the point rather than the current title that it’s totally off. It’s equating to US bans of foreign companies. Totally hostile fallacious logic.
 
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So true.

For instance. It would be possible for the article title to be “South Korea wants to regulate App Stores”. That would be to the point rather than the current title that it’s totally off. It’s equating to US bans of foreign companies. Totally hostile fallacious logic.
True. If the title of the article was "South Korea to regulate app stores and apps. Limit fee commission and developer income", my stance on micro-regulation and innovation wouldn't change.
 
True. If the title of the article was "South Korea to regulate app stores and apps. Limit fee commission and developer income", my stance on micro-regulation and innovation wouldn't change.

Than again would be out of the point. As for your absolute stance against micro regulation is clearly inconsistent. Its a case by case … some companies you are against … other companies you are ok with it.

You were in favor in the case of Microsoft and ISPs and against when it came to Apple and Google. For which is fundamentally the same issue.
 
Than again would be out of the point.
Okay. In this instance I am against micro-regulation.
As for your absolute stance against micro regulation is clearly inconsistent.
Your examples were inconsistent as well.
Its a case by case … some companies you are against … other companies you are ok with it.

You were in favor in the case of Microsoft and ISPs and against when it came to Apple and Google. For which is fundamentally the same issue.
Because Microsoft threatened computer manufacturers. Apple has a consistent set of rules, there is a difference, not fundamentally the same issue at all.
 
Your examples were inconsistent as well.

Don’t think so.

As a principle I believe in neutral internet communications. I am against any form of conditioning a part from security and privacy reasons. I also understand that end to end neutral communications can be conditioned in many different ways …

So I was in favor:

- ISP products and services be regulated with Net Neutrality principles
- Microsoft being regulated when it tried to dominate the browser market by baking it into Windows, amongst many things making it default. The reason why the browser is so important its because its is the primary user interface to the Internet … even though there are others. Microsoft was also regulated not not where the browser was concerned bit also APIs access as well as certain apps.

Within this, of course would be inconsistent of me (and I believe anyone else) to be in favor of a duopoly (Apple + Google) with practices that go against these principles even if at the moment just clustered in smartphones … already surpassing PCs as preferred internet devices. Case in case, the most prominent, the tying the App Store with the ability of users installing apps.

What do Apps have to do with internet communications and network in general you might say. Well, apps in communication lingo are in effect end-points / clients. You head of Client / Server Architectures for sure didn’t ya? … So control which apps user can install and not as well as how, one controls one end of the communication, in effect is the sole mediator of internet enabled communication in iOS. In effect Apple in iOS controls which Clients / Endpoints can be installed in iOS and how, case in case if you are open to share 30% of you in app revenue they might allow, if you don’t … well than we definitely not!

Of course one can say … well let’s wait until this duopoly conditioning becomes even more limiting, more privately mediated by a bunch of companies, case in case these two. Well personally believe that delaying this can be worst. For one side, usually regulations in those cases are, let’s say much more restricting to companies participating in these practices ... sometimes requiring enterprise restructuring which can be bad for innovation. Secondly, it leaves a trace of bad “blood” out of anti-competitive practices that its hard to escape from.

We had traces do anti-competitive practices. For instance the restrictions Apple imposed to game streaming in iOS through the App Store policies. There no privacy or security reason why xCloud or Stadia were restricted to use the browser, otherwise have each game stream published as individual apps in the App Store. A requirement that makes no sense technically, neither in terms of security or privacy. The measure was done fundamentally to keep both these services away from iOS and not compete with Apple game services, current and future.

So, people might disagree, but I believe that my stance is fairly consistent neither the principles behind are designed to favor one company or the other.

Cheers.
 
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Don’t think so.

As a principle I believe in neutral internet communications. I am against any form of conditioning a part from security and privacy reasons. I also understand that end to end neutral communications can be conditioned in many different ways …
Ok, so far we agree.
So I was in favor:

- ISP products and services be regulated with Net Neutrality principles
I don't agree. ISP internet connections should be regulated with net neutrality principles. If an ISP wants to offer up other product and services, such as home monitoring, coffee shops etc., they have nothing to do with net neutrality.
- Microsoft being regulated when it tried to dominate the browser market by baking it into Windows, amongst many things making it default. The reason why the browser is so important its because its is the primary user interface to the Internet … even though there are others. Microsoft was also regulated not not where the browser was concerned bit also APIs access as well as certain apps.
Microsoft got into trouble threating pc vendors. It didn't merely market the heck out of IE.
Within this, of course would be inconsistent of me (and I believe anyone else) to be in favor of a duopoly (Apple + Google) with practices that go against these principles even if at the moment just clustered in smartphones … already surpassing PCs as preferred internet devices. Case in case, the most prominent, the tying the App Store with the ability of users installing apps.
There is no government barrier to developing the next great smartphone. The ios app store is an amazing innovation by Apple. That there are three operating systems for smartphones, is not apples issue and they should not be regulated because they did a great job.
What do Apps have to do with internet communications and network in general you might say. Well, apps in communication lingo are in effect end-points / clients. You head of Client / Server Architectures for sure didn’t ya? … So control which apps user can install and not as well as how, one controls one end of the communication, hence the communication. In effect Apple in iOS controls which Clients / Endpoints can be installed in iOS and how, case in case if you are open to share 30% of you in app revenue they might allow, if you don’t … well than we definitely not!

Of course one can say … well let’s wait until this duopoly conditioning becomes even more limiting. Well personally believe that delaying this can be worst. For one side, usually regulations in those cases are, let’s say much more restricting to companies participating in these practices ... sometimes requiring enterprise restructuring which can be bad for innovation. Secondly, it leaves a trace of bad “blood” out of anti-competitive practices that its hard to escape from.

So, people might disagree, but I believe that my stance is fairly consistent neither the principles behind ar designed to favor one company or the other.

Cheers.
Cheers. Regulating the app store is micro-regulation and robin hoodisms' at it's worst.
 
I understand you left out of the quotes the most important one:

What do Apps have to do with internet communications and network in general you might say. Well, apps in communication lingo are in effect end-points / clients. You heard of Client / Server Architectures for sure didn’t ya? … So control which apps user can install and not as well as how, one controls one end of the communication, in effect is the sole mediator of internet enabled communication in iOS. Apple in iOS as full control over which Internet Clients / Endpoints can be installed in iOS and how, case in case if you are open to share 30% of your in app revenue they might allow, if you don’t … well just leave your customers behind in their device of choice! It fully controls to their will internet communications in iOS by controlling the end point through App Store policies.

There is nothing robin hoodisms in my stance. Any connection to it is pure imagination.

Hey. But what does it matter anyway. Time will tell.
 
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@I7guy,

Hey, i guess the south koreans banned both Apple and Google after all: https://www.wsj.com/articles/google...dominance-over-app-store-payments-11630403335

Still on this site … no report … I mean ... what would be next to the title of this post: “South Korea bans Apple over In App Payments”?

Time will tell.
I don't have to agree that this regulation is needed, fair, just or warranted. There are many, many example of legislation passed in the US, that on their face seems good, but have unique provisions that benefit one group to the exclusion of others and have nothing to do with the original bill.

The point is legislation doesn't have to be "good" legislation. Time will tell. Fortunately, there's always a possible that SCOTUS can get involved and neuter some of this regulation.

I have a WSJ subscription...the article really doesn't say anything new.
 
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I have a WSJ subscription...the article really doesn't say anything new.

Well before the bill was under discussion. The bill was discussed and passed in the parliament. If it did not I’m sure it would be some news to talk about on this site? Now the the SK President just needs to sign it. The President may not but its rare. The SK structure is not exactly like the US where there is no Prime Minister.

I understand this does not change your stance.

PS: Are you thinking about Biden calling SK Prime and President on this matter? What is he gonna say? Humm. I doubt … but who knows.
 
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So you want to use Apple's better services (in your opinion) but not pay for them?
You don't pay more for using visa, which takes cut. You don't pay more when using Paypal, which takes a cut. Why should you pay more when using Apple pay?
 
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