How about all phishing websites in the world? Opening this up creates an attack vector you know. And why? Only for corporate greed of companies such as Epic.
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How about all phishing websites in the world? Opening this up creates an attack vector you know. And why? Only for corporate greed of companies such as Epic.
Conversely, I could say Apple and Google are taking advantage of developers because to reach the number of consumers required to have a viable business, Apple and Google know that developers are all but forced to go through their ecosystems. Right now all of the power lies with Apple and Google. The only power developers have is to say I won't participate on your platform then, which is really quite ineffective considering that means you're ceding at least half to potentially all of the market, rendering your business likely non-viable.
The iPhone was a huge success before the AppStore. Most developers pulling their apps from the AppStore would quickly go out of business, Apple would be fine.
It would be a total disaster for Apple and Google.
The iPhone accounts for 60% of Apple's profits. If every iOS developer pulled their apps half of all iPhone users would immediately switch to an Android phone. If that happened Google would sit down and shut up. There would be no iPhone 13 sales--period.
If Google tries to get cute and play games with developers they would also lose all their customer or users side load.
Of course. Most apps I use on iPhone are stock. Most people could easily survive purely on stock apps. People are forgetting iPhone was a hit before App store was a thing.
Ah, I see the South Korean government is bending over and twerking at the behest of one of its biggest corporate pimps: Samsung.
No developer is required to develop for iPhone or Android, it’s a choice they make based on whether they think it’s worth it or not. Why should Apple or Google be forced to provide third parties with access to the resources to develop for their respective platforms for free? But ok, Apple can’t require apps to use the AppStore or to use their InApp payment method anymore. Instead Apple now charges $100,000 per year for developers to access the tools necessary to make iPhone apps. Sure a few big time developers can handle that, no sweat. But casual developers? See ya!
Would not be a smart move. Charging app developers a per download fee in an attempt to recover the losses from no longer processing payments due to Apple having to open up their app store to 3rd party payments gives governments more reason to regulate Apple. Using antitrust laws, governments could force Apple spin off their app store, arguing that they're abusing their dominant market position.
If companies like Netflix, which Apple earns no percentage of subscription revenue from, is able to pay for storage and listing with their $99/yr Apple Developer Program fee, then that fee should be able to cover storage and listing fees for all app developers.
Why would/should Apple charge extra?
Yup, without hesitation. The iPhone and stock Apps are much higher priority to me than 3rd party apps. I can use the web for most other things. Do I like some other apps? Sure. But they would be useless without the iPhone, not the other way around.
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So a company charging for their services is now an anti-trust violation? So many people on this forum have no clue how anti-trust law works and it shows. Charging a transaction fee is a legal and standard business practice and has been for centuries. But somehow Apple doing it is an anti-trust violation? LOL
So you expect Apple to what? Offer their services for free? Give developers money? Give away iPhones? Don’t ever try and run a business, trust me.
Except that developing for ios and/or android is a choice. There are other ways to reach a target audience of potential buyers of your service other than an app on the app store. At this point developers need Apple more than Apple needs developers.
I disagree. The indie app devs would lose out big time. Those devs who have the brightest of ideas and the least of the budgets.
They will be forced to when Facebook forces you to use their store to get their apps.
Then Microsoft does for theirs.
And we know Epic will for theirs.
It’s exactly what is happening right now on streaming services. Users are forced to install more and more separate apps, pay for more separate services. Sooooo convenient for users right?
Apple offers a one stop shop, that’s part of the value proposition of the ipHone. If you don’t like that, that’s fine, don’t buy an iPhone, you can buy an Android and use whatever App Stores you want, or side load. Forcing Apple to change what many of us PREFER is not helping anyone but yourself. Stop trying to paint it as being for the users or the developers. That’s not who it’s for, it’s for the people who want to force Apple to give them what they want for free.
I dont see Google complaining about fragmentation as they are like the top 3 companies in the world. Yeah I think $pple will survive. Its nice to see the sheep clothing are finally coming off.
they've missed the point altogether, its not the actual payment method that is the problem, it is how Apple charge for use of their App Store, storage processing, monitoring etc .They don't do it for free, if Epic want to use the App store somehow they will have to pay Apple to do so?
Apple should pull the app store from South Korea then. People are happy that Apple is forced to give away services? Maybe those same people should work for $1/year.
Funny thing is.. They sold more Samsung devices than anything. But.. Never to late to do the right thing.
Apple has provided the world with awesome technology we have to admit. But when it comes to restricting trade, restricting other payment options that could possibly allow consumers to save money (compared to Apple's default option), it is going to lose. It's just a matter of time before some government somewhere requires a change in the App Store's rules.
The first iPhone was mildly successful and literally exploded after the App Store got introduced.
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Apple is doing more than charging for their services... they're also restricting the ability for developers to offer other payment options to their users, thereby FORCING developers to part with 30 percent of their revenue and give it to Apple. This is the problem. Does Apple have the legal right to so much power? This is the question that governments will answer. If developers are willing to take on the risk and cost of managing their own in-App payment options, why does Apple need to restrict them from doing so ? Apple currently profits off of all in-app payments... someone should do a comparison between the actual fixed cost of managing the app store vs the outsized profits that Apple makes from the 30 percent cut...
Another question is: why do apps that offer physical goods such as Uber not have to pay for in-App purchases, but apps that offer digital goods such as games have to pay for in-App purchases? Seems discriminatory.
Are these changes coming down to all gaming consoles as well and other platforms doing the same thing?
Apple is within it's right to develop it's own business model. This is giving devs who made hundreds of millions on the app store a free ride and hope this falls on it's face.
If not Apple should compensate for it's lost revenue in other areas.
Which law entitles Apple to that right to use its dominant position to extract high rents from developers and restrict developers from offering other payment options? Imagine if Walmart only allowed you to use a Walmart-branded credit card... and to hell with other Visa or Mastercard options. Alot of people would have a problem with that.
Apple is free to design whatever business model it wants, so long as that model is LEGAL. It's not clear if it is or isn't, this is what the Epic case is about. If the law is unclear as to whether Apple has this right (to restrict other payment options, thereby forcing developers to part with 30 percent of their revenue), then some government somewhere will change the law. It's just a matter of time.