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I was reading more on this today in the Houston paper and it was stated that Southwest started looking and talking about this with AirTran at this around the time rumors of Contenatal l and Delta merger were starting.
Now everyone was expecting the Contental and Delta merger but no one was expecting the Southwest and AirTran one. What was more shocking they stated was it had stayed a secret for so long. It was an out of left field announcement. They said it will take at least 2 years before everything is completed and they all the paper work done.
 
You know, your username makes so much more sense now...


Do you get drunk very quickly when playing never have I ever?

Haha. I didn't even want to be a pilot when I chose this screen name. It fell into place I guess.

No. I don't like to drink and don't like the taste of alcohol. Which I think airlines will love especially after the drunk pilot incident that happened last week. ;) :p
 
In the big picture, good because Airtran and Southwest make one large network now. In the small to middle picture bad because competition goes away and prices might soar a bit.

Right now, the only left big airlines are American (personal favorite), SouthWest, United, Delta, and JetBlue. Not much choice, and worst of all, only Southwest offers free 2 bags, the rest charge for domestic flights (ouch).

JetBlue (my personal favorite airline) still allows 1 free bag, which is better than the rest. I could have used this last September flying BOS-BWI one week before JetBlue started flying that route. Went AirTran and had to pay bag fees for the first time.

That is nice and all, but even if the majors dump their contracts with the regionals doesn't mean I won't have to work for the regionals anymore. I will still need to go there and build up some turbine time after I build enough hours working as an instructor to get my ATP due to the new regulations passed by Congress listening to the stupid victim's families of the Colgan crash. :mad:

1500 hours and an ATP to sit in the right seat... makes me glad I chose flying as a hobby and not a career. You do still have the option of regional freight carriers which I don't think are affected by the new rule. Lots of the fixed-wing instructors at the first FBO I flew with went on to Wiggins Airways here in the Northeast. They still list 2000 TT and 1000 PIC with commercial + instrument plus 500 ME if you want to fly one of their multi engine planes with no mention of an ATP. Turboprops not turbines, but a break from CFI (and a more steady pay) while working on your ATP.
 
You would think this would be the case, but nope - the 717 is actually just a renamed McDonnell-Douglas MD95. Boeing bought the company and renamed the aircraft project. The flight decks, handling characteristics, etc. are completely different - one reason why the 717 never really caught on.

That's interesting--too bad--it is a nice little jet--I always like to sit on the "2 seat" side. AirTran must have bought all of them. :D
 
That's interesting--too bad--it is a nice little jet--I always like to sit on the "2 seat" side. AirTran must have bought all of them. :D

The 717 is a nice jet, quiet, very quiet in the front. Airtran has 86 (estimated) of them, and Southwest will be keeping them until the leases run out, or they will keep them for longer, or possibly purchase 25 more of them that are from Midwest Airlines. It will be interesting to see what routes they put them on, most likely routes that are too much for a 737 (137 seats), compared to the 717 with 117 seats.
 
^^^ my wife likes to sing, "Deltaaaaaa....we're learning to fly, and it shows!"
 
Sorry to bump this thread from oblivion (new mods: bring on Teh Ban Hampsterz!) but I feel an itch to chime in. I've been gone all week traveling for work, and actually qualified for diamond on Delta as I apparently have no real life!

The new United is working out how to stop using the regional airlines, and only use mainline. After this, others will start dumping theirs too.
I'm not sure where you got this information, but nowhere is this on their agenda. There are many catchment areas of 2M+ in which both UA and CO have virtually halted mainline service. Most of these markets are in the midwest, and have already been handed over to Delta and the LCCs on a silver platter. Restoring mainline service to some of these places would require a completely new hiring campaign for airport personnel alongside major pushes to regain a share of these local frequent flyer markets.

Tilton and Smisek have both placed huge focuses on outsourcing to regional carriers in recent years. In fact, compared to 2000, United's capacity is up slightly, yet their total mainline fleet size has been reduced by almost 40%: considering the PS subfleet and a slight growth in the international fleet, their actual domesic mainline fleet is only about 40% the size that it was ten years ago. On top of that, United's new and ever-expanding contracts with ExpressJet seem to show that the Embrarer flying is here to stay. They're in pretty deep with these contracts.

This ***** SUCKS. I've been flying AirTran for years, building up frequent flyer points, and almost always fly business class due to upgrades and such. The merger, according to the website, will do away with business class and seat assignments altogether. I guess I will be finding a new airline, as I'm not sure I can go back to dealing with the general public on airplanes.

God, this pisses me off.
For what it's worth, Delta will immediately match your AirTran Elite status to Silver Medallion. If you fly enough to get to gold (50k miles or 60 segments), I'd definitely recommend that switch.

Disclaimer: Idiots fly Delta, too. Sitting next to me in 2B on Delta may be worse than sitting with the cattle on Southwest. :eek:

The 717 is a nice jet, quiet, very quiet in the front. Airtran has 86 (estimated) of them, and Southwest will be keeping them until the leases run out, or they will keep them for longer, or possibly purchase 25 more of them that are from Midwest Airlines. It will be interesting to see what routes they put them on, most likely routes that are too much for a 737 (137 seats), compared to the 717 with 117 seats.
It's worth noting that WN doesn't fly to many markets where they can't support at least eight flights each day. AirTran, however, does. Multiple AirTran destinations won't be able to support 737s due to runway lengths, and thus probably won't be viable for the combined carrier in the long-term. The CRJs will be trashed first for certain, likely followed by the focus city in Milwaukee. The 717s have traditionally served the lowest-yielding routes in FL's network, and probably won't work well in most of Southwest's markets.

As to the 717s from YX, almost all of them went to Click and their futures are unknown at this point. If Aeromexico decides to take over most of Mexicana's assets, they'll probably be serving the same Mexican domestic routes as before. A few that were returned to Boeing are now being leased privately by individuals, as well.

Well, that's enough. And still three hours until my redeye. FML. It's a damn good thing that there are free cookies and wine selections in the lounge. :rolleyes:
 
Disclaimer: Idiots fly Delta, too. Sitting next to me in 2B on Delta may be worse than sitting with the cattle on Southwest. :eek:

It's worth noting that WN doesn't fly to many markets where they can't support at least eight flights each day. AirTran, however, does. Multiple AirTran destinations won't be able to support 737s due to runway lengths, and thus probably won't be viable for the combined carrier in the long-term. The CRJs will be trashed first for certain, likely followed by the focus city in Milwaukee. The 717s have traditionally served the lowest-yielding routes in FL's network, and probably won't work well in most of Southwest's markets.


Well, that's enough. And still three hours until my redeye. FML. It's a damn good thing that there are free cookies and wine selections in the lounge. :rolleyes:

Idiots fly every airline, unfortunately, and some routes are worse than others..(Flights to Orlando are very loud, because of all the families with small children (and not so small) going to DisneyWorld.)

AirTran doesn't fly CRJs. And the 717s might work on a few routes, not sure what ones, but it's probable that they won't just dump them when they're merged.
 
Idiots fly every airline, unfortunately, and some routes are worse than others..(Flights to Orlando are very loud, because of all the families with small children (and not so small) going to DisneyWorld.)

I was flying back from Fort Lauderdale a couple summers ago and had to change planes in Orlando. Never again. I will pay more for nonstop or settle for a layover in a city completely ouf of my way or leave or arrive at a more inconvenient time before I fly through Orlando.
 
Idiots fly every airline, unfortunately, and some routes are worse than others..(Flights to Orlando are very loud, because of all the families with small children (and not so small) going to DisneyWorld.)
Yes, I know... It was a joke. I'm kind of, erm, well traveled by nature of my work.

AirTran doesn't fly CRJs. And the 717s might work on a few routes, not sure what ones, but it's probable that they won't just dump them when they're merged.
AirTran has a contract for six CRJs based out of MKE. They run a lot of feeder routes in the region timed to compete with Midwest/Frontier. They exist to fuel the MKE-west coast routes, but have largely failed. They're still around as they want to run RAH out of town.

The 717s hardly work well for any routes now, partly because of its higher CASM than the 737NGs that have only 20 more seats. Even if a route can't fill a 717, the costs for running the station and the flights are very close to the same. Consider that total accumulated revenue for the 717 is lower than the 737, assuming that both are full, and it's clear that it won't fit in WN's business model or route structure without a major overhaul to their entire network. They won't get dumped immediately, but they'll be gradually pawned off to an airline that can use them more effectively.

I was flying back from Fort Lauderdale a couple summers ago and had to change planes in Orlando. Never again. I will pay more for nonstop or settle for a layover in a city completely ouf of my way or leave or arrive at a more inconvenient time before I fly through Orlando.
I remember sitting in the Delta lounge a few years back at MCO coming home from a conference. It's tucked away up some stairs and down a long hallway, but at least two families with multiple strollers still found it while I was there.

"Welcome to the Crown Room Club. How may I assist you?"

"What do you have to eat?"

"Do you have a membership, sir?"

"This isn't a public lounge??????"

"No"

"But there are signs pointing here!"
--

The airport, and the city itself, seem less obnoxious in wintertime, though.
 
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