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just my 2 cents but I have a original Hermes and ordered the SB SS Series 2 to enjoy best of both worlds: the Hermès with leather bands AND the SB with sport bands..... :)

IMHO if you consider original Apple bands, the SS really has one big advantage as it can be mixed with more bands than a black or dark grey AW... but that is a matter of taste.
Agreed, the SS can definitely be mixed with more bands, and I love using different bands. Don't want to be limited by color of the watch. I want to eventually get a classic buckle once I get the SS, and I know I couldn't do that with the SB. SS is definitely the way to go for me
 
The Space Black will show scratches very easily. Like anything Black, it looks fantastic when clean and pristine, but will show damage when visible.

This is SIMPLY untrue. Why do people keep posting total crap like this with little back up. Sure, maybe there are cases of this being accurate, but you state it like it is a fact that all models are like this. I have had one since I got the Series 0 well over a year ago. I also am friends with 2 others who have it. And there is an entire thread on this board that speaks of the wear of this watch. This is a daily wear for me. I have kids, I have an active lifestyle. I have banged it on countless door ways, on the car, on the ground wresting with the kids. I have dropped it on the counter. And so have COUNTLESS others. There's not a scratch on this watch. The word black (as it relates to electronics colors) does not automatically mean it's like a black car. This watch still looks fantastic, beautiful and amazing after well over a year of daily use. It's a deep black that looks extremely classy. Yes, regular stainless looks awesome too, but the 'like anything black' complete falsehood posted by people who think they always have to say something is not accurate. Search around here and you will see countless opposite views from actual owners.
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Now into the 16th month with my space black. I now have 11 bands (so, yes, there's lots of options) - the brighter sport bands really pop with the contrast of the black watch.
People that have actually managed to scratch these are VERY rare indeed. You have to find something approaching diamond for hardness to do so. The DLC coating on mine is still flawless and (other than initially), I haven't been overly cautious with this watch at all. Worn it doing all kinds of projects. It's banged off of a number of materials - nadda.

Pick whichever one appeals to you the most from a looks standpoint. The regular SS gets scratches. The SB with DLC coating doesn't.

Agreed. The DLC coating on this is why the statement about this being, 'like anything black' is so ignorant of the actual facts. Just another wannabe know it all.
 
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This is SIMPLY untrue. Why do people keep posting total crap like this with little back up. Sure, maybe there are cases of this being accurate, but you state it like it is a fact that all models are like this. I have had one since I got the Series 0 well over a year ago. I also am friends with 2 others who have it. And there is an entire thread on this board that speaks of the wear of this watch. This is a daily wear for me. I have kids, I have an active lifestyle. I have banged it on countless door ways, on the car, on the ground wresting with the kids. I have dropped it on the counter. And so have COUNTLESS others. There's not a scratch on this watch. The word black (as it relates to electronics colors) does not automatically mean it's like a black car. This watch still looks fantastic, beautiful and amazing after well over a year of daily use. It's a deep black that looks extremely classy. Yes, regular stainless looks awesome too, but the 'like anything black' complete falsehood posted by people who think they always have to say something is not accurate. Search around here and you will see countless opposite views from actual owners.
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Agreed. The DLC coating on this is why the statement about this being, 'like anything black' is so ignorant of the actual facts. Just another wannabe know it all.
I agree with both your statements. Just checked my Space Black Watch/Link Bracelet/Milanese loop in the strong autumn sunlight and all are still perfect after months of use and a few knocks. Over the same period I would have polished my regular stainless steel several times to remove microscratches.
 
This is SIMPLY untrue. Why do people keep posting total crap like this with little back up. Sure, maybe there are cases of this being accurate, but you state it like it is a fact that all models are like this. I have had one since I got the Series 0 well over a year ago. I also am friends with 2 others who have it. And there is an entire thread on this board that speaks of the wear of this watch. This is a daily wear for me. I have kids, I have an active lifestyle. I have banged it on countless door ways, on the car, on the ground wresting with the kids. I have dropped it on the counter. And so have COUNTLESS others. There's not a scratch on this watch. The word black (as it relates to electronics colors) does not automatically mean it's like a black car. This watch still looks fantastic, beautiful and amazing after well over a year of daily use. It's a deep black that looks extremely classy. Yes, regular stainless looks awesome too, but the 'like anything black' complete falsehood posted by people who think they always have to say something is not accurate. Search around here and you will see countless opposite views from actual owners.
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Agreed. The DLC coating on this is why the statement about this being, 'like anything black' is so ignorant of the actual facts. Just another wannabe know it all.

My post reference the Space Black Watch is no more factual than you stating "That my statement is simply untrue." Reading or having you suggest other threads on the Space Black Watch doesn't change real world experiences others have experienced, regardless of your experience with kids or countertops. I owned the Space Black Watch and it did scratch. It happened. Being I'm a perfectionist, I sold it for the stainless steel in place.

At no point in my previous statement, did I quote for the majority. That was based off my experience. And black shows scratches more than any other color on the spectrum, which is a fact. Black in general, again, looks great when pristine, but shows evidence of damage from all angles.

Your above statement is completely anecdotal, just as is my opinion based off MY personal experience. Factual is my experience, opinionated is your experience on how it's interpreted to my rendition to others Watches. That's great that your Watch has not suffered any damage through your daily activities, but others have experienced it, which is why your post is nothing purely self indulged based off a 'Thread.' You have no idea if there are thousands of others who may or may not have have experienced the issues I encountered for that matter. So don't act as if I conducted some 'Space Black Damage' Voting Poll. This is a forum based off opinions, feedback and experiences. And my 'Crap' post stands as is, without your one retort to tell me 'This is simply untrue.' In your case, I could easily say the same about your post.

Lastly, based off your reply your me, I could care less if you don't agree with my above statement(s), but to call a statement made by another forum member "Crap" or label he or she as a 'Wannabe Know it all', says milestones of your glib response. If you attempt to engage in discussion, snide comments like those are sophomoric and childish. For future reference, exercise decorum without the back handed insults. There are other forums to talk like one of your kids if you so choose.
 
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My post reference the Space Black Watch is no more factual than you stating "That my statement is simply untrue." Reading or having you suggest other threads on the Space Black Watch doesn't change real world experiences others have experienced, regardless of your experience with kids or countertops. I owned the Space Black Watch and it did scratch. It happened. Being I'm a perfectionist, I sold it for the stainless steel in place.

At no point in my previous statement, did I quote for the majority. That was based off my experience. And black shows scratches more than any other color on the spectrum, which is a fact. Black in general, again, looks great when pristine, but shows evidence of damage from all angles.

Your above statement is completely anecdotal, just as is my opinion based off MY personal experience. Factual is my experience, opinionated is your experience on how it's interpreted to my rendition to others Watches. That's great that your Watch has not suffered any damage through your daily activities, but others have experienced it, which is why your post is nothing purely self indulged based off a 'Thread.' You have no idea if there are thousands of others who may or may not have have experienced the issues I encountered for that matter. So don't act as if I conducted some 'Space Black Damage' Voting Poll. This is a forum based off opinions, feedback and experiences. And my 'Crap' post stands as is, without your one retort to tell me 'This is simply untrue.' In your case, I could easily say the same about your post.

Lastly, based off your reply your me, I could care less if you don't agree with my above statement(s), but to call a statement made by another forum member "Crap" or label he or she as a 'Wannabe Know it all', says milestones of your glib response. If you attempt to engage in discussion, snide comments like those are sophomoric and childish. For future reference, exercise decorum without the back handed insults. There are other forums to talk like one of your kids if you so choose.

Your post as all can read was stated as 'The Space Black will show scratches very easily'. As if all do. You didn't say 'some'. You didn't say 'I have heard'. You didn't say, 'in my limited experience'. You said it conclusively. If you can't handle the heat of saying something that is untrue because you don't qualify it then why don't you learn how to communicate your thoughts through writing. Though your lengthy response said maybe what you meant to say, you didn't indicate anything close to that in your initial sweeping statement that has no basis in fact. Your statement was crap...no doubt about it since it doesn't qualify your claim in any way and is simply untrue. Sorry you can't deal with that. The fact that you tried to introduce a claim to influence an answer with a sweeping generalization has characteristics of other individuals on this forum and others who are indeed wannabe know it alls. If that's not you, you have my apologies. If you're a 'perfectionist' as you 'claim' to be, it doesn't show up in most of your posts. Exercise decorum without back handed insults? Throw stones much out of your glass house? Try posting something actually based in fact while trying to engage discussion. Then maybe your thin skin won't have to deal with postings you don't like to hear.
 
just my 2 cents but I have a original Hermes and ordered the SB SS Series 2 to enjoy best of both worlds: the Hermès with leather bands AND the SB with sport bands..... :)

IMHO if you consider original Apple bands, the SS really has one big advantage as it can be mixed with more bands than a black or dark grey AW... but that is a matter of taste.


Totally Agree, when the AW was released I was between the SBSS and SS, and opted for the SS and was so glad I did, as nice as the black looked, when I did finally get to see it with all the bands at the apple store, I personally didn't like how it looked with many of the bands compared to how the SS looked.

I currently for the series 2 ordered an Edition, but have similar concerns about how bands and will look, which is making me consider exchanging it for a Hermès. Got 12 days left to decide.

I would go with a SS over a SBSS or any of the aluminum models.
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Your post as all can read was stated as 'The Space Black will show scratches very easily'. As if all do. You didn't say 'some'. You didn't say 'I have heard'. You didn't say, 'in my limited experience'. You said it conclusively. If you can't handle the heat of saying something that is untrue because you don't qualify it then why don't you learn how to communicate your thoughts through writing. Though your lengthy response said maybe what you meant to say, you didn't indicate anything close to that in your initial sweeping statement that has no basis in fact. Your statement was crap...no doubt about it since it doesn't qualify your claim in any way and is simply untrue. Sorry you can't deal with that. The fact that you tried to introduce a claim to influence an answer with a sweeping generalization has characteristics of other individuals on this forum and others who are indeed wannabe know it alls. If that's not you, you have my apologies. If you're a 'perfectionist' as you 'claim' to be, it doesn't show up in most of your posts. Exercise decorum without back handed insults? Throw stones much out of your glass house? Try posting something actually based in fact while trying to engage discussion. Then maybe your thin skin won't have to deal with postings you don't like to hear.

Your off the deep end more than I expected. I don't even know where to start with your attempt of a deflection.

You make it sound as If I failed a mid grade term paper. From my first post, I already explained my reasoning behind this and here you are creating doors with in doors.

It's not difficult to understand. The world of Space Black Apple Watch owners don't report strictly to a thread on Macrumors. There are thousands of others who own this Specific model who may have experienced my issues and don't speak of it on an opinionated website. That's exactly what it is....an opinion based off my experience. You stating its untrue shows your struggle with narcissism.

So in theory, I can say your experience with your Space Black Watch being its perfect, is a completely false and your spreading nonsense on here. Which in fact, is no different than my claim stating damage can occur, as you admitted from your first post, cases are likely based off user experience. Basically, you completely contradict yourself saying my case is untrue, yet; "Maybe there are cases of this being accurate." Therefore, your own post(s) are fallacies.

And no need to apologize, it's clear you trying to paddle your way out of your own myopic response. You can't literally state to any one Forum member, there post is untrue. Then my challenge to you, would be to prove it. Except, you can't, because you yourself Have no legitimacy in what you stated from your above posts.

And your quote, "If your a perfectionist as you claim, then it doesn't show in your posts." Why? Because You don't agree with what I said or because My Watch suffered scratches? That makes no sense no matter how you turn this discussion. You have more holes in your posts than you do a valid argument.

The whole point was and is for the umpteenth time, my experience is My experience. You have managed to contribute nothing and further more, fill your posts with semantics based off another users opinion, which ultimately leads to you posting double standards.

It appears my thin skin has managed to poke holes in your attempt of a reply, which you have proven nothing more than a subjective opinion. Which is exactly where I started and stand. Please stop spreading nonsense and understand the Space Black Apple Watch does not revolve around Macrumors.

But as long as your Space Black watch has not suffered damage after all it's been through, then your stating my experience is not possible based off my experience? Wrong. And you twist one statement off its rails leading you to your back against the wall.

I can't wait to see what you say next. Make sure to bring a shovel to fill those preposterous holes in your theory.
 
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Your off the deep end more than I expected. I don't even know where to start with your attempt of a deflection.

You make it sound as If I failed a mid grade term paper. From my first post, I already explained my reasoning behind this and here you are creating doors with in doors.

It's not difficult to understand. The world of Space Black Apple Watch owners don't report strictly to a thread on Macrumors. There are thousands of others who own this Specific model who may have experienced my issues and don't speak of it on an opinionated website. That's exactly what it is....an opinion based off my experience. You stating its untrue shows your struggle with narcissism.

So in theory, I can say your experience with your Space Black Watch being its perfect, is a completely false and your spreading nonsense on here. Which in fact, is no different than my claim stating damage can occur, as you admitted from your first post, cases are likely based off user experience. Basically, you completely contradict yourself saying my case is untrue, yet; "Maybe there are cases of this being accurate." Therefore, your own post(s) are fallacies.

And no need to apologize, it's clear you trying to paddle your way out of your own myopic response. You can't literally state to any one Forum member, there post is untrue. Then my challenge to you, would be to prove it. Except, you can't, because you yourself Have no legitimacy in what you stated from your above posts.

And your quote, "If your a perfectionist as you claim, then it doesn't show in your posts." Why? Because You don't agree with what I said or because My Watch suffered scratches? That makes no sense no matter how you turn this discussion. You have more holes in your posts than you do a valid argument.

The whole point was and is for the umpteenth time, my experience is My experience. You have managed to contribute nothing and further more, fill your posts with semantics based off another users opinion, which ultimately leads to you posting double standards.

It appears my thin skin has managed to poke holes in your attempt of a reply, which you have proven nothing more than a subjective opinion. Which is exactly where I started and stand. Please stop spreading nonsense and understand the Space Black Apple Watch does not revolve around Macrumors.

But as long as your Space Black watch has not suffered damage after all it's been through, then your stating my experience is not possible based off my experience? Wrong. And you twist one statement off its rails leading you to your back against the wall.

I can't wait to see what you say next. Make sure to bring a shovel to fill those preposterous holes in your theory.

The only thing I can say to this Trump-like rant is 'dude, calm down'. Perfectionist reply has nothing to do with whether or not your watch suffered scratches, but the manner in which you post...simple grammar seems to escape you which then calls in to question your perfectionist claim.

That said, I indicated nothing about ALL watches, just refuting your ridiculous statement that simply because it's black, like anything black, when visible, it will show all of its imperfections. That was your claim with your poor attempt to be helpful (news flash..you weren't). I made no such claims and your extended rant on something that simply did not happen is proof that the deep end is wholly and completely yours to sink in. Good luck.
 
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I've heard more SB owners -- like shox2k2 above -- say that their watches don't show any wear, and I believe them. Like I said, once a coating is scratched it stays scratched; but reports of nasty SB Watches are very rare (almost nonexistent).

All that being said, I think a black-coated watch is meant to look like a tool and not a piece of jewelry. They look better once they show a bit of wear. Like old binoculars or cameras or military equipment, a little glint of base metal adds some history of use.

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That Porsche Design Watch is beautiful.
 
The only thing I can say to this Trump-like rant is 'dude, calm down'. Perfectionist reply has nothing to do with whether or not your watch suffered scratches, but the manner in which you post...simple grammar seems to escape you which then calls in to question your perfectionist claim.

That said, I indicated nothing about ALL watches, just refuting your ridiculous statement that simply because it's black, like a black car, in light, it will show all of its imperfections. That was your claim with your poor attempt to be helpful (news flash..you weren't). I made no such claims and your extended rant on something that simply did not happen is proof that the deep end is wholly and completely yours to sink in. Good luck.

Typical Macrumors discussion where the other forum member bows out of the discussion, offering nothing pertinent in return.

And you replied exactly how I thought you would with semantics to cover your bloated reply, with more wiggle room to eek your way out of your misquoted and contradictory double standard posts. And mind you, you failed to answered to any questions I posed. Anyone reading these past few discussions will see your own down falls, which you managed to insult with childish comments that offer nothing to the discussion, except indicate grammar usage? Really? Need I say more about "On Topic." My post still stands on the Space Black Watch and it's your opinion, nothing more, nothing else.

My best advice to you reference your Ad Hominem, is take a class on decorum and Forum etiquette, it seems to be an issue with grade school comment(s). It's discussions like these that dwindle quickly, because none of your posts offer substance to the topic, only to banter beyond the point. Case and point.
 
Typical Macrumors discussion where the other forum member bows out of the discussion, offering nothing pertinent in return.

And you replied exactly how I thought you would with semantics to cover your bloated reply, with more wiggle room to eek your way out of your misquoted and contradictory double standard posts. And mind you, you failed to answered to any questions I posed. Anyone reading these past few discussions will see your own down falls, which you managed to insult with childish comments that offer nothing to the discussion, except indicate grammar usage? Really? Need I say more about "On Topic." My post still stands on the Space Black Watch and it's your opinion, nothing more, nothing else.

My best advice to you reference your Ad Hominem, is take a class on decorum and Forum etiquette, it seems to be an issue with grade school comment(s). It's discussions like these that dwindle quickly, because none of your posts offer substance to the topic, only to banter beyond the point. Case and point.

Speak for yourself, but no one bowed out of the discussion. Your rant just reduced it to a nonsense discussion that I had no interest (and still don't) in continuing. Nor do most in reading, I imagine.

Anyone can read what he or she wants to into the discussion. There was nothing to answer because everything you stated was false. You can't say that what I posted added nothing because it refuted an absolute falsehood that you put out there. Not that it matters now. The OP has said his/her preference for the regular SS watch has more to do with band options than the scratch potential of each one. So, technically since the decision for the OP didn't come down to scratches, neither of us added to the discussion.

But, you stated that the OP should not get the Space Black because like all things black, it looks nice but when visible shows wear. Because that on its own is wrong, it added nothing. I simply refuted your over generalization (in a way you didn't appreciate, clearly) so that, if the OP cared about it, he/she could have a more accurate representation of various experiences. Certainly more so than one over-generalization, backed up by nothing more than a rant.

And I say this, stupidly making an assumption, but judging by the words, rants and sentence structure, I will assume an age range that you are in and offer the same advice I offer my kids....grow up a little. It will help.

That said, I am not bowing out, but, instead, sparing the readers of this thread who want better information than you and I have posted, and to be able to sort through the more meaningful posts made by others. So, I won't comment further, though I have no doubt you will have more to say. Best of luck in the future.
 
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Speak for yourself, but no one bowed out of the discussion. Your rant just reduced it to a nonsense discussion that I had no interest (and still don't) in continuing. Nor do most in reading, I imagine.

Anyone can read what he or she wants to into the discussion. There was nothing to answer because everything you stated was false. You can't say that what I posted added nothing because it refuted an absolute falsehood that you put out there. Not that it matters now. The OP has said his/her preference for the regular SS watch has more to do with band options than the scratch potential of each one. So, technically since the decision for the OP didn't come down to scratches, neither of us added to the discussion.

But, you stated that the OP should not get the Space Black because like all things black, it looks nice but when visible shows wear. Because that on its own is wrong, it added nothing. I simply refuted your over generalization (in a way you didn't appreciate, clearly) so that, if the OP cared about it, he/she could have a more accurate representation of various experiences. Certainly more so than one over-generalization, backed up by nothing more than a rant.

And I say this, stupidly making an assumption, but judging by the words, rants and sentence structure, I will assume an age range that you are in and offer the same advice I offer my kids....grow up a little. It will help.

That said, I am not bowing out, but, instead, sparing the readers of this thread who want better information than you and I have posted, and to be able to sort through the more meaningful posts made by others. So, I won't comment further, though I have no doubt you will have more to say. Best of luck in the future.


Contradictory to everything you said, ALL your posts are double standards and are dead ends. Your telling me I'm lying about a Space Black Apple Watch scratching and showing wear? And black when pristine, looks good, but when damaged, will be evident on the Space Black Apple Watch. That was the whole point of this conversation and your telling me I'm wrong? None of which makes sense. Period. You have no argument for the sake of discussion, except detour off course with sentence filler to show the other readers how far fetched you are.

I have had Many discussions on Macrumors,
But your interpersonal traits severely struggle with narcissism and micro aggression. It's beyond discussing an Apple Watch anymore, being how obtuse every...single...post you have generated. You try so hard to disparage against my grammar or assuming my age group, when in reality you offer assistance to you me as you would to your children? It's completely sophomoric and childish how you converse with another forum member. You are right about one thing, if other forum members do read these Posts, I want it known you failed in contributing to being respectful and inserted snark comments to degrade someone else (Which my grammar has been fine) only to make yourself feel better. And yet you keep referring to your children, offering advice as If you achieved some "Life Coach Achievment" award.

You, @mizzourah, only engage back and forth with me to achieve the last word. You established Your a negative forum member, but succeeded To perjure your own posts. No sense in talking to a wall.

Seeing this discussion has taken it's agenda, I think it's best if a moderator reviews your posts at hand. Because you're beyond following the forum rules as well. Maybe you can educate yourself and reading over those.
 
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That Porsche Design Watch is beautiful.
Ain't it??

I went looking for "handsomely aged" PVD watches and was hoping to find a particularly awesome pic of an older Heuer Monza (found in another forum to compare to the recent reissue) and happened across that Porsche Design chrono.

I like it so much that I've put PD back on my radar of "nice watch to buy to celebrate my new job".
 
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Ain't it??

I went looking for "handsomely aged" PVD watches and was hoping to find a particularly awesome pic of an older Heuer Monza (found in another forum to compare to the recent reissue) and happened across that Porsche Design chrono.

I like it so much that I've put PD back on my radar of "nice watch to buy to celebrate my new job".

Nice! Congrats on the new job. Yeah those watches are amazing looking.
 
Nice! Congrats on the new job. Yeah those watches are amazing looking.
@BarracksSi awesome choice.

I am an vintage IWC watch collector myself and have some nice old Porsche Design booklets. If you like to read more on all Porsche design by IWC read this forum" http://www.iwc.com/forum/en/ :)

That said I now have the problem of wearing the Apple Watch 24/7 and never wear the oldies again :(
 
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