Space Shuttle Columbia

I was puzzled why they keep saying there are 3 shuttles left now that we've lost Challenger and Columbia, because I remembered there were shuttles named Atlantis, Discovery, Endeavor, and Enterprise. So I looked it up. The answer is that shuttle Enterprise was used only for 1977 landing tests and flew only within the atmosphere. The real shuttle missions began in 1981, with Columbia flying the first five missions.
 
from the link...

Iraqis Call Shuttle Disaster God's Vengeance
Sat February 1, 2003 03:24 PM ET
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Immediate popular reaction in Baghdad on Saturday to the loss of the U.S. space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew -- including the first Israeli in space -- was that it was God's retribution.

"We are happy that it broke up," government employee Abdul Jabbar al-Quraishi said.

"God wants to show that his might is greater than the Americans. They have encroached on our country. God is avenging us," he said.
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They are happy they died... wow, that's just disgusting. Whoever says that there's 'no proof' that Iraq is aiding the Taliban... there it is. They wish us nothing but death.
 
Originally posted by hitman
iraqis call it "god's vengeance"

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....UFBACRBAELCFEY?type=worldNews&storyID=2152926
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I just knew some f*cking son of a b*tch mother raping bastard would say something like that. Not you, hitman, but the stupid freakin iraqui's... We already know that al queida and the taliban have no regard for human life, along with other terrorists and religious extremists, but when the government of a country is happy because of the death of 6 Americans and 1 Israeli, that's just sick. That's why we took the taliban out of afghanistan. The iraqi government is sounding more and more like a terrorist cell every day. In fact, they probably are...

When a country like iraq basically laughs at the US, when we're on the verge of war with every thing we've got aimed at them, they're just asking to get their @$$es kicked...
 
Originally posted by G4scott
We already know that al queida and the taliban have no regard for human life, along with other terrorists and religious extremists
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Hey, my parents are religious extremists (Church of Christ) and they have a regard for human life. People can have extreme religious views, and not be "crazy"
Sadaam is, I believe, an Athiest. G4scott, I totally respect you, but your lumping alot of people together with your comment. I am sure that you meant well by your post, this is not a flame, I am just being a bit oversensitive.
 
So what would God be saying to you with this? The first eye-witness reports came from Palestine which is a surprise because most of us did not know that there is one in America too. When accidents happen you read into them what you chose. Personally I think God is a creative force, not a destructive one. People are most likely to blame for this loss of life.
 
Originally posted by G4scott


I just knew some f*cking son of a b*tch mother raping bastard would say something like that. Not you, hitman, but the stupid freakin iraqui's... We already know that al queida and the taliban have no regard for human life, along with other terrorists and religious extremists, but when the government of a country is happy because of the death of 6 Americans and 1 Israeli, that's just sick. That's why we took the taliban out of afghanistan. The iraqi government is sounding more and more like a terrorist cell every day. In fact, they probably are...

When a country like iraq basically laughs at the US, when we're on the verge of war with every thing we've got aimed at them, they're just asking to get their @$$es kicked...
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A government worker said that, not the Iraqi government or a representative of the Iraqi government.
 
Originally posted by iShater
A government worker said that, not the Iraqi government or a representative of the Iraqi government.
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Still, it is vaugly reminiscent of the Palestinians cheering in the streets when the towers went down.

Oh, btw Sol, I knew there was a Palestine in Texas. In fact, I've been there before.
 
I agree with you, Sol...

Originally posted by Sol
So what would God be saying to you with this? The first eye-witness reports came from Palestine which is a surprise because most of us did not know that there is one in America too. When accidents happen you read into them what you chose. Personally I think God is a creative force, not a destructive one. People are most likely to blame for this loss of life.
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I also believe that God is a creative force and not a destructive force.

I also believe that God is more than just a creative force but a greater soul than I could imagine (whose presence may be seen as a force).

Personally, I believe in God and in Christ. I also believe that there is a bigger picture than what we are looking at, which we may not understand right now, but which may reveal itself in time.

Anyway, that's what I believe. I hope I didn't offend anyone by sharing. :D
 
Originally posted by hitman


Still, it is vaugly reminiscent of the Palestinians cheering in the streets when the towers went down.

Oh, btw Sol, I knew there was a Palestine in Texas. In fact, I've been there before.
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Actually most of the videos shown of them celebrating was old footage from "libraries". You can't take what a handful of people do as an indication of an entire people, regardless of the reason they celebrated (i.e. political, emotional, no clue what really happend, etc.)
 
Re: I agree with you, Sol...

Originally posted by GeneR


I also believe that God is a creative force and not a destructive force.

I also believe that God is more than just a creative force but a greater soul than I could imagine (whose presence may be seen as a force).

Personally, I believe in God and in Christ. I also believe that there is a bigger picture than what we are looking at, which we may not understand right now, but which may reveal itself in time.

Anyway, that's what I believe. I hope I didn't offend anyone by sharing. :D
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Thank you for sharing. :) I also believe in God & Jesus Christ. Not even the son knows, but the Father alone. Christ came to make the word flesh. Not until our death or Christ's second coming will we have a full understanding.
 
The shuttle's heat tiles are certainly a leading suspect since the failure happened at the point of maximum temperature (3000 degrees Fahrenheit). They say that they routinely examine the tiles after each mission and remove any that need replacing. So the tiles can withstand the pressure and temperature of atmosphere reentry but the maintenance guy can take one off and put a new one in. Just how are they attached/detached?
 
Originally posted by Doctor Q
The shuttle's heat tiles are certainly a leading suspect since the failure happened at the point of maximum temperature (3000 degrees Fahrenheit). They say that they routinely examine the tiles after each mission and remove any that need replacing. So the tiles can withstand the pressure and temperature of atmosphere reentry but the maintenance guy can take one off and put a new one in. Just how are they attached/detached?
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Through a special chemical process involving cherry koolaid and some secret stuff. :p

I read the tiles are each made especially for where they are placed and there are 32,000 of the little buggers. Repair in space would be impossible. I think the chemical process for applying them would be affected by zero gravity.

Wouldn't you think there would be a more sophisticated way to protect the shuttle? Like with those pot holders you can buy on tv made of "space age material."

Man, I hate to admit it, but I cried myself to sleep Saturday night. One of my uncles is a retired aerospace engineer from NASA in Huntsville, AL. He helped design stuff for the first 3 shuttles. And I went to my mom's house and found my Columbia/747 model still in the box. Creapy man.

oh well, thanks for listening.

cheers
john
 
Originally posted by Chisholm


Through a special chemical process involving cherry koolaid and some secret stuff. :p

I read the tiles are each made especially for where they are placed and there are 32,000 of the little buggers. Repair in space would be impossible. I think the chemical process for applying them would be affected by zero gravity.

Wouldn't you think there would be a more sophisticated way to protect the shuttle? Like with those pot holders you can buy on tv made of "space age material."

Man, I hate to admit it, but I cried myself to sleep Saturday night. One of my uncles is a retired aerospace engineer from NASA in Huntsville, AL. He helped design stuff for the first 3 shuttles. And I went to my mom's house and found my Columbia/747 model still in the box. Creapy man.

oh well, thanks for listening.

cheers
john
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I have the exact same model still in the box unassembled. It was a very sad day.
 
Originally posted by Doctor Q
The shuttle's heat tiles are certainly a leading suspect since the failure happened at the point of maximum temperature (3000 degrees Fahrenheit). They say that they routinely examine the tiles after each mission and remove any that need replacing. So the tiles can withstand the pressure and temperature of atmosphere reentry but the maintenance guy can take one off and put a new one in. Just how are they attached/detached?
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As far as I know they change all the tiles every mission.
 
I watched the "Memorial For Columbia Crew" live from Johnson Space Center, Houton, TX. A sad & teary time. The comic relief came with remarks fom the Chief Astronaut, told anecdotes about each of the crew on Columbia.
 
Originally posted by mymemory


As far as I know they change all the tiles every mission.
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They only replace ones that don't meet spec. The examine every tile after every mission with a laser scanner.
 
I have been pretty obsessed with the shuttle lately, lets see, I have downloaded a bunch of columbia pictures (particularly sts-1 pics) and have them rotating on my desktop. I just bought the excellent book, "Space Shuttle: The First 20 Years -- The Astronauts' Experiences in Their Own Words" from Amazon. I found the postcard of the Enterprise and my tickets from my tour of Kennedy SC from July of 1979. I actually got to ride a bus along the shuttle runway as part of the tour. It is also cool to see the old launch pads and Saturn V rocket parts. Plus the crawlers and the VAB.

My wife is going away for a week to SanFran on vacation, she says that when she comes back, she does not want to find me sculpting an orbiter out of mashed potatoes on the kitchen table when she returns.
 
Originally posted by peterjhill
I have been pretty obsessed with the shuttle lately, lets see, I have downloaded a bunch of columbia pictures (particularly sts-1 pics) and have them rotating on my desktop. I just bought the excellent book, "Space Shuttle: The First 20 Years -- The Astronauts' Experiences in Their Own Words" from Amazon. I found the postcard of the Enterprise and my tickets from my tour of Kennedy SC from July of 1979. I actually got to ride a bus along the shuttle runway as part of the tour. It is also cool to see the old launch pads and Saturn V rocket parts. Plus the crawlers and the VAB.

My wife is going away for a week to SanFran on vacation, she says that when she comes back, she does not want to find me sculpting an orbiter out of mashed potatoes on the kitchen table when she returns.
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I took a tour of Cape Canaveral here a few years ago and I must say being next to a crawler is truley awesome. You have no idea how huge they are unless you see on in person. Everthing at NASA is bigger then your imagination. They even have an Apollo Moon rocket on it's side contained in a very big museum with each section slightly separated for demonstration purposes.
 
I've had a similar experience at the Cape. In contrast, I also saw a Gemini capsule at the Johnson Space Center outside of Houston. Talk about claustrophia! Last December when I got to sit in the driver's seat of a Rose Parade float for a few seconds (I was helping decorate the float) I had the same "get me out of here" feeling as when I saw that little capsule. The shuttles are obviously still dangerous, but at least the astronauts travel in relative style thesedays.
 
Originally posted by Doctor Q
I've had a similar experience at the Cape. In contrast, I also saw a Gemini capsule at the Johnson Space Center outside of Houston. Talk about claustrophia! Last December when I got to sit in the driver's seat of a Rose Parade float for a few seconds (I was helping decorate the float) I had the same "get me out of here" feeling as when I saw that little capsule. The shuttles are obviously still dangerous, but at least the astronauts travel in relative style thesedays.
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I've sat in capsules at a couple locations. There seems to be mock ups at any large science museum you visit. Also the Boeing Museum in Seattle has an original Apollo capsule and moon rover.
 
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