That's what I just did. The screen alone is worth the upgrade. I no longer feel bad about not necessarily getting the 5 and skipping that version and getting the 6 next year.
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Spec Bumped iPhone 5 Set for September Ramp? Revamped iPhone in 1H 2012?
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That's what I just did. The screen alone is worth the upgrade. I no longer feel bad about not necessarily getting the 5 and skipping that version and getting the 6 next year.
Oh I completely agree. You put a 2G and a 3G side by side and you can barely tell them apart.
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Professional information traders. It's a legit business from both a technical and financial perspective. I'm amazed at how tightly Apple keeps things sealed up. Major products like this impact hundreds of companies. Analysts are trading information all up and down the supply chains about what is happening. A small company supplies resin for A5 encapsulation and has purchased production equipment to increase capacity in Q2, hmmmm. Analysts sort through tons of information to make projections. It's still a guess but a highly informed guess.
Seriously - people think that an exterior update is more significant that the internals...? The 3GS was serious update over the 3G - faster processor, better camera with video, better BT, faster 3G, better screen, higher capacity, etc.
The 2G > 3G update was the lamest of the bunch so far (especially since a lot of people agree the metal case was a better decision than the plastic)
This is really messing me up. My upgrade is available in 3 weeks and I figured I can just wait the extra month to get the 5 but if it is coming out in October then I don't know if i should just get the 4 as soon as my upgrade is ready and sell it when the 5 comes out or if I should just wait. My 3GS doesn't have any real problems but i just feel that after over a year and a half its time for something new.
These rumors are starting to randomly coalesce around what I think is a more probable timeline of events:
1) The iPhone 5 is launched in late summer/early fall (with September an obvious target date)
--This phone sees modest improvements like a slightly better camera, perhaps more storage, white option, and an antenna refinement combined with perhaps a slightly improved processor (but nothing dramatic)
2) The iPhone 6 is launched in September of 2012 with a larger screen (maybe-I'm still skeptical of this), a processor from the iPad line, redesign, LTE, and new goodies to lurch the phone forward (much like the retina display was for iP4).
3) The iPhone line permanently moves to a fall launch sequence and essentially replaces the iPod line at September events.
The rumors are clearly pointing to a September launch, especially with the white 4 around the corner. I think this is a mistake on Apple's part when Android phones are able to leap frog within a few months. I also think that dominating more news cycles is possible when you launch products at their own dedicated events, but if the white iPhone 4 is really going to be out soon, I don't see how a revamp is possible just 2 months later in June.
1) The iPhone 5 is launched in late summer/early fall (with September an obvious target date)
--This phone sees modest improvements like a slightly better camera, perhaps more storage, white option, and an antenna refinement combined with perhaps a slightly improved processor (but nothing dramatic)
2) The iPhone 6 is launched in September of 2012 with a larger screen (maybe-I'm still skeptical of this), a processor from the iPad line, redesign, LTE, and new goodies to lurch the phone forward (much like the retina display was for iP4).
3) The iPhone line permanently moves to a fall launch sequence and essentially replaces the iPod line at September events.
The rumors are clearly pointing to a September launch, especially with the white 4 around the corner. I think this is a mistake on Apple's part when Android phones are able to leap frog within a few months. I also think that dominating more news cycles is possible when you launch products at their own dedicated events, but if the white iPhone 4 is really going to be out soon, I don't see how a revamp is possible just 2 months later in June.
Oh don't tell them their perfect company doesn't make the perfect phone... they so want it to be AT&T's fault and not Apple's.
I remember when I first got my iphone (I'd been on AT&T/Cingular for years before that) I did notice a tendency to notice voicemails that appeared hours later than when they were given and the phone hadn't rang on me. And I know I ran into at least a customer at my store who had the same issue (we had called her to tell her her dog was ready and she hadn't recieved it... and then the voicemail popped up while she was in the store). I will admit that did improve so maybe Cingular was having issues getting voicemail to work with that particular phone at first (or maybe Apple's update to the iOS fixed it. I know the iOS it came with was very unstable, least for Safari and iOS 2.0 fixed stability issues)? But it definitely was something I had a problem with that phone that I didn't with others on the same provider.
I also noticed that it didn't have as good reception out on the water (when we fished) than other cellphones I've had on AT&T so you do have to be closer to signal with it (least with the 3G, I haven't had a chance to compare with the 4).
(disclaimer, I love my iphone but I'm pretty sure any issues is with the iphone and not with AT&T).
Your experience doesn't amount to a hill of beans for proof. You did not have the same phone on Verizon to compare that it worked fine on Verizon so you can't say the phone would work fine on Verizon using your experience. And then you went on the iphone when you went on AT&T but it was the only phone you've used on AT&T so you don't know if that experience is consistant with different phones... so where is the proof that it was AT&T and not the iphone? You don't know because you had both a different phone and provider when you switched to AT&T so the problem could be with either.
Get back to us when you have the iphone on Verizon or at least have had another phone on AT&T (to see if you have the same problem with a different phone on AT&T).
Sarcasm aside, if you look at them internally, the iPhone 1 and iPhone 2 (3G) are almost identical. Even Apple acknowledged this by calling the iPhone 3G the iPhone 1,2 internally. The first iPhone to get a iPhone 2,1 designation was the iPhone 3GS, indicating it was a new design. If the iPhone 3G was a 'complete redesign' as you said, Apple would have named it with a new internal code to reflect this; however it did not.
Exactly. Why cannot every see this? The iPhone 3GS was a massive jump internally over the iPhone 1 / iPhone 2 (3G). The 3G was one of the lamest of the iPhone updates to date.
Absolutely it does. You simply do not like my report. Tough beans.
I've observed poor reception on non-verizon carriers in two states in rural areas and in my office in an urban environment. I've stood in locations with other people and compared the ability to make a call. You cannot beat Verizon in rural areas and in some urban areas.
Too bad. That is the way it is.
You missed the entire point.
If you are going to say that you know it is the phone over the carrier, you have to be able to have experienced other phones on that carrier to see if they have the same issues (Therefore it can't be the phone cause different phones still have the same issues) or you have to have used the same phone on Verizon and witnessed that the phone didn't have the same problems on Verizon.
Your experience had you using a different phone on Verizon than on AT&T and your only experience with AT&T being the iphone. Therefore the problem could be either the iphone or AT&T cause you have no basis of comparison to be able to pinpoint which is the problem!
And your experience with "other carriers" says nothing about AT&T (odd that you don't say they are experiences with AT&T... )
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Eh, at least going by what's under the hood, the 3GS was a more significant upgrade than the 3G. Apparently apple agrees too (iPhone 2G being iPhone 1,1; iPhone 3G being iPhone 1,2; iPhone 3GS being iPhone 2,1). The 3G's CPU, GPU, and RAM were identical to the 2G. Only real addition was the 3G radio (with GPS).
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Eh, at least going by what's under the hood, the 3GS was a more significant upgrade than the 3G. Apparently apple agrees too (iPhone 2G being iPhone 1,1; iPhone 3G being iPhone 1,2; iPhone 3GS being iPhone 2,1). The 3G's CPU, GPU, and RAM were identical to the 2G. Only real addition was the 3G radio (with GPS).
I agree, It would annoy everyone else in the rest of the world as well.
Annoy?? Can a phone refresh REALLY annoy somebody? If your answer is YES then you have no life and sorry to say you're just a kid with issues.
It's funny to hear people complain about their 3GS is on their last leg, etc.
My wife still has the original Iphone (not even 3G), while I have the Iphone4.
She was waiting on the Iphone4 (White), and continued to wait, and now we're so close to the Iphone5, she's in another dilemma.
Buy the Iphone 4 (White), or hope that the 2G Iphone makes it to the release of the Iphone 5?
I think I'm going to get her the Iphone 4 (dramatic improvement over the 2g, obviously). Then we will worry about getting her the latest phone at that time (since no one knows when it's arriving).
Either way, my wife is still rocking the original Iphone, and belive me 3GS owners, your phone is worlds ahead of hers.
My wife still has the original Iphone (not even 3G), while I have the Iphone4.
She was waiting on the Iphone4 (White), and continued to wait, and now we're so close to the Iphone5, she's in another dilemma.
Buy the Iphone 4 (White), or hope that the 2G Iphone makes it to the release of the Iphone 5?
I think I'm going to get her the Iphone 4 (dramatic improvement over the 2g, obviously). Then we will worry about getting her the latest phone at that time (since no one knows when it's arriving).
Either way, my wife is still rocking the original Iphone, and belive me 3GS owners, your phone is worlds ahead of hers.
The only thing that will get me to upgrade is a revamped notification system in iOS 5 PLUS LTE/4G cellular data. We can only hope.
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So, the next iPhone will be the iPhone 4G with, well, 4g? That would make sense.
So, the next iPhone will be the iPhone 4G with, well, 4g? That would make sense.
Didn't miss the point at all.
I've stood in several locations and observed Verizon phones make calls and non-verizon have no signal. Smart phone or not.
The carrier was the difference. Verizon is much better than other carriers in rural areas and low signal areas such as my basement office. Lots of people around this office with different model phones and carriers to observe.
Oh and I'm including ATT in "other carriers". So that is cleared up. ATT does not do as well as Verizon in rural areas and certain specific urban areas.
But if you live in an area with good ATT signal then no problem.
By the way I'm taking my free coupon into ATT this week to get the microcell. The reason being my home gets poor ATT signal. This wasn't the case with Verizon. More proof for you.
Overall my experience with ATT is good. I get by. I'm not bashing them. Just stating the facts. There are certain areas where I do miss having Verizon though.
With such high praise of the iPhone 4's industrial design, I would be surprise if Apple decided to get rid of it for something new in just a year. It would be a waste too as it still feels fresh to a lot of people. Not to mention it will be very hard to beat (if there is a new redesign).
Even the original iPhone form factor stayed for 3 generations.
Even the original iPhone form factor stayed for 3 generations.
There are only two name choices for the next iPhone: iPhone 4G or iPhone 5. There will be no more naming games. The only reason they ever diverted from numbering conventions was because of confusion over the 3G being the iPhone 2.
The iPad 2 was a minor update. But they didn't call it the iPad s or something else equally lame. Every iPhone will have a number until Apple gives up on that completely and just goes with "the all new iPhone" or "the all new 2011 iPhone" like they do with their desktops and notebooks.
The iPad 2 was a minor update. But they didn't call it the iPad s or something else equally lame. Every iPhone will have a number until Apple gives up on that completely and just goes with "the all new iPhone" or "the all new 2011 iPhone" like they do with their desktops and notebooks.
There's a timing issue here.
While LTE is out, it's not widely deployed yet. Cores of cities are being covered, but many markets don't have coverage yet (true for me personally - my "market" has coverage, but only where I work and not on the commute home, or at home).
Mobile chipsets for LTE are also power-hungry today.
When do you push to have LTE in your handset? Sure, Verizon may be pushing it, but until a device can meet Jobs's's's high bar for performance, I don't see a shift just yet.
Perhaps a delay to September makes things clearer to Apple. Perhaps there's a new chipset coming from QC which doesn't suck space and power (and generate a lot of heat in the process).
September also allows for a bunch more expansion of LTE, specifically VzW here in the states.
While LTE is out, it's not widely deployed yet. Cores of cities are being covered, but many markets don't have coverage yet (true for me personally - my "market" has coverage, but only where I work and not on the commute home, or at home).
Mobile chipsets for LTE are also power-hungry today.
When do you push to have LTE in your handset? Sure, Verizon may be pushing it, but until a device can meet Jobs's's's high bar for performance, I don't see a shift just yet.
Perhaps a delay to September makes things clearer to Apple. Perhaps there's a new chipset coming from QC which doesn't suck space and power (and generate a lot of heat in the process).
September also allows for a bunch more expansion of LTE, specifically VzW here in the states.
There is a thing called context to a post
Someone posted "this will annoy AT&T and Version customers" if a phone is launched within a few months of the previous one. I stated that releasing a new product within a few months of the rollout of the product worldwide would annoy customers everywhere not just in the US.
It was supposed to be a small joke about how everyone thinks only the US exists when it comes to any technology item.
I don't think I would scream and yell but if I bought this years model of phone and within 3 months Apple replaced it with a brand new much higher spec model then yes I would be mildly annoyed as usually Apple don't update their high end model in under 6 months with a brand new model. I could see lots of people being annoyed by that. And even more to the point these annoyed people would be from all over the world not just AT&T or Verison customers.
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Sooner or later, the "g" will sound like an inferior upgrade. It will give people the impression of it being a .5 upgrade. Everybody will wait for a proper number sequel.
The reason why the iPad 2 was named '2' in the very last minute was probably due to the overwhelming speculation that the tech is just a minor upgrade and people want to wait for a proper iPad 2 (now iPad 3).
Regardless of when it comes out, this version will likely get the A5 if I had to guess. Next year will be the year of LTE plus a form factor change. The iPad 3 and iPhone 6 may actually keep the A5 for the first time in years (for the iPhone line).
I don't see a need for an A6 until foundries move to the 28 nm node and apple can either shrink and clock the current A5 higher (while still getting better battery life) or go quad core. When 2013 hits we can start talking about Eagle designs hitting smartphones.
I don't see a need for an A6 until foundries move to the 28 nm node and apple can either shrink and clock the current A5 higher (while still getting better battery life) or go quad core. When 2013 hits we can start talking about Eagle designs hitting smartphones.