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Speculation Targets Mac Pro as First "Made in USA" Mac Product
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I'm sure you won't have a ps/2 connector and you won't be able to overclock it either
Don't the i5 and i7 CPUs have built-in overclocking called "Turbo Boost" anyway? Also, who the @#$% uses PS/2 and lives in 2012?
If I overclock my Mac Pro's CPUs to 3.2GHz or something, my UPS overloads
I suggest you to take a look at any modern factory in China. I'm sure 100 years ago USA was much worse.
My Guess:
Up to 16 Cores
No Optical Drive Bay
Apple's Fusion Drive, 2.5" Disks or mSata SSD.
USB 3.0
Thunderbolt front and back
Last Quarter 2013
What I actually want:
Bu-ray Drive
FCP8
Blu-ray DVD Studio Pro
Mac Pro Update NOW
Up to 16 Cores
No Optical Drive Bay
Apple's Fusion Drive, 2.5" Disks or mSata SSD.
USB 3.0
Thunderbolt front and back
Last Quarter 2013
What I actually want:
Bu-ray Drive
FCP8
Blu-ray DVD Studio Pro
Mac Pro Update NOW
I laugh when I see the Mac Book Pro's benchmarks which are like 25% of the power I get on my 2010 Mac Pro.
I got 2 LED Cinema Displays, 1TB Mercury Accelsior PCI-e SSD Drive that gives me 700MB/second Read speeds, plus 6 additional Internal HD's, PCI-e USB 3.0, FireWire 800 and 32GB of RAM. Oh yeah, I removed the CD drive and hooked up a 480GB SSD instead.
Try to upgrade an iMac or Mac Book...
Mac Pro is the only REAL Professional Mac. The rest are toys...
What is your point? It's not exactly headline news that that Mac Pro is more powerful...
The bold is where I disagree. The race to the bottom does not mean manufacturing is better, just cheaper.
Otherwise, I misinterpreted the rest of your post. And it's a sad fact that people are willing to give away their best interests for pennies.
Most of the electronics that I use on a daily basis has an Apple logo on it. I consider myself a fan of Apple and also holding a long position in AAPL. However, I am also critical about many of the things they announce. From the beginning, I knew to take this "Assembled in the USA" stamp and Cook's comments about it with a grain of salt.
They're definitely going to have the optical drive bays and the 3.5" hard drive bays. I think the Mac Pro is the one thing where Apple NEVER sacrifices usability for style, and anyway, the iMac has a 3.5" hard drive (or at least it did in the 2011 model, can't get info about the new design).
I have a 2008 Mac Pro, and the only thing that Apple tried to make pretty but annoying is the metal door on the optical drive slots. It should work fine in theory, but for me, it gets stuck often.
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Mac Pros have always been assembled in the US....
Ugh, more people somehow thinking this "assembled in the USA" thing is a new phenomenon, it's not. A large number(maybe all?) Mac Pros sold in the USA have been assembled in the USA for quite a while. Again, same with BTO imacs, the Mac Pro is such a low-volume, heavy beast that building large #s of them in China and shipping them by boat or air mailing almost every mac pro sold is a losing venture. They assemble them in the US so that they can get it delivered to a customer rather cheaply w/o having to sit on large piles of unsold finished product. They also used to make the XServes in the US too, but obviously that ended w/ the XServe....
Ugh, more people somehow thinking this "assembled in the USA" thing is a new phenomenon, it's not. A large number(maybe all?) Mac Pros sold in the USA have been assembled in the USA for quite a while. Again, same with BTO imacs, the Mac Pro is such a low-volume, heavy beast that building large #s of them in China and shipping them by boat or air mailing almost every mac pro sold is a losing venture. They assemble them in the US so that they can get it delivered to a customer rather cheaply w/o having to sit on large piles of unsold finished product. They also used to make the XServes in the US too, but obviously that ended w/ the XServe....
It was about time and it makes sense to start with a less popular product, at the same time the most expensive to transport. With the rise of fuel prices I bet everybody will start producing next to their consumer base.
I have a 2008 Mac Pro, and it's not a pro tool, just a personal computer
I just got it because it cost the same as a lowest-end MacBook Air ($1000), is really fast with its 8 cores, and lets me change anything I want on the inside. This was after my 2006 iMac died because of the stupid NVIDIA graphics card that semi-failed because NVIDIA sucks and that is pretty much inaccessible. The result: a computer that doesn't really work without a lot of cooling and a really nice 24" LCD that I can't use!
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So the rising oil prices could be to our advantage, especially because the USA is producing more oil.
I laugh when I see the Mac Book Pro's benchmarks which are like 25% of the power I get on my 2010 Mac Pro.
I got 2 LED Cinema Displays, 1TB Mercury Accelsior PCI-e SSD Drive that gives me 700MB/second Read speeds, plus 6 additional Internal HD's, PCI-e USB 3.0, FireWire 800 and 32GB of RAM. Oh yeah, I removed the CD drive and hooked up a 480GB SSD instead.
Try to upgrade an iMac or Mac Book...
Mac Pro is the only REAL Professional Mac. The rest are toys...
While you're are correct in what you say there is a big down side to the Mac Pro when looking at it within the entire market, beyond just Apples product lines.
I could build a PC using an Asus Z9 motherboard with twin 6 or 8 Core E5 XEON's with 64GB of memory that would double your Mac Pro's performance. Then I could install Mac OS X on it too.
All that with more PCIe lanes at a faster speed (PCIe 3.0) and SATA 6.0Gb/ps for SSD's and USB3 for externals.
That is why the Mac Pro is a **** sandwich. It isn't like a portable or an all in one, all of Apples design choices for a MacBook Pro or an iMac don't come in to it when comparing the Mac Pro because it's essentially just a giant box with XEON processors inside. Apple has not innovated the workstation one iota and the rest of the market offers the exact same product, but faster in every specification.
Perhaps the most annoying thing about the Mac Pro for a workstation user is that when Apple ships a Mac Pro with say a Quad Core CPU you can't just go and drop a later released 6 Core chip in because Apple doesn't support that chip and do not provide an EFI update for it. So as a workstation owner you're stuck using what you bought or upgrading to a chip within the same series that you purchased reducing your upgrade options.
This doesn't occur with any other workstation product on the market because the companies actually support upgrades and release updates for new processors.
So you may harp on about how upgradable your Mac Pro is and how much you've done to it but how comes you've not upgraded the processors I wonder?
Redundancy is part of life HAHAHAHA
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but it's 12-core!
together with a 700MB/S "hard drive".... it can cure cancer
/s
A computer with less power than a Casio G-Shock took astronauts to the moon 40 years ago...
A Mac Pro might be able to cure cancer some day...
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DVD's will be gone in 2 years... CD's are already obsolete...
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My point is Apple doesn't see... Well, my point... The forgot the Pro's...
Apple was built on Professionals. Now they sell millions of cheap, consumer devices like ipods and iphones and mac books and forgot that once upon a time, professional graphic designers, photographers and movie directors were the creative and cool people using Macs. The rest were drones using PC's in a cubicle.
People in this thread saying it's a mistake to leave China since the workers are treated like slaves and therefore the products are cheaper. Get a better job so you can afford a quality product made in a country that cares about their citizens. Take pride in the fact that your product wasn't made by people working 14 hours a day for pennies but by people treated with respect and dignity.
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Agreed. I think it's a mistake for Apple to forget about the Pros. The other Macs that can't be upgraded or maintained are useless for serious users of computers. It's nice to see them finally updating their flagship Mac.
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Agreed. I think it's a mistake for Apple to forget about the Pros. The other Macs that can't be upgraded or maintained are useless for serious users of computers. It's nice to see them finally updating their flagship Mac.
Called this one to some colleagues earlier this week. Easiest to assemble, lowest number of sales, highest margin...and they get the PR of being able to say a Mac line is being made in the US.
The great grand mother of the Mac Pro was the Power Mac 8100 in 1995. Base price was $4200 and with all the belts and whistles, it cost over $5500 and it was slow, it crashed constantly and it maxed out at 264MB of RAM and had no USB and it was a bitch to open...
Then came the G5. Which, unbelievably almost 10 years later still looks like a Mac Pro and started at $2000...
I would expect a $2000~$2500 base price for the New 2013 Mac Pro and up to $5000 with all possible upgrades. That's how much mine is worth now.
BTW, in 1991, my first PowerBook, a 140 (greyscale) cost me $3200... It had 4MB of RAM and a 40MB hard disk. The salesman told me not to get the available 80MB hard drive because I was never going to fill it up! HAHAHA
What are people complaining about?
Yeah. Back in 1912, people risked death by gruesome accident every day when they went to do their back-breaking work their 12+ hour shift in a factory. The workers in a modern Chinese factory have the uber-risky position of sitting at a bench, assembling small electronics. Scary.