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When you put a decade of hard work and your own money into creating something, you get to make the rules. They don't own the wireless cell phone carrier industry, just a phone, carrying one of many different app stores. Spotify doesn't have to put their music on it. They are acting like a a whiney teenager with a chronic case of self-entitlement.

Toyota doesn't sell Chevys on their lot, are they "locking out" competition as well?

Toyota sells used Chevys... And does Toyota charge Chevy for that?
 
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Everytime Spotify open their mouth, they get hated a bit more. They are already the most hated streaming service by musicians and indie labels, and now they're working hard to get hated by their customers.
I don't hate I like them better than Apple. Apple is paying artist toon of money to have their music to exclusive and let other behind. Please they are getting greedy........
 
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It's only "unfair" because you fail to account for the fact that the store owner didn't actually build the strip mall, provide parking, water, utilities, and signposts.

Isn't the landlord being compensated for all that out of the 30%? The issue isn't that the landlord charges rent, the issue is that the landlord competes with his own clients on unequal terms.
 
Ah, a huge green logo. Somewhat apropos. :cool:


(edit: for those that don't get the reference: green is the color of envy and jealousy)
 
I mean it is kind of a ******** policy. Apple should allow apps to redirect outside the App Store for sign up if they are gonna charge a premium for signing up within the app.

Really? Does Macy's allow you to pay for Brand merchandise outside of their store? Can I say to the cashier 'The Polo store has these pants cheaper. I'll just pay them and take the pants with me'

No it doesn't work that way for any other business. Apple spent billions developing and promoting their tech and software to a point that it attracts lots of consumers. Consumers that Spotify might otherwise not have access to.

Spotify does NOT have to charge extra. With their superior music streaming service they would soundly beat Apple Music. But because they operate at a loss, they are crying foul. It's up to Spotify to convert their free users to paying users. Not Apple to give away their customers for free.
 
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And you know this won't fly in court...because?

iOS and iPhone/iPads are a closed system. There's no other vendors that can use iOS and make their own hardware to run it. As such, they can do whatever the hell they want with THEIR system.

Microsoft got into trouble over the years because A) they had a clear majority market share and B) they also placed strict rules on what vendors of Windows could do with their machines. This is why Google is facing an antitrust investigation from the EU - they have majority market share AND they are forcing rules on OEMs (specifically, bundling).

Not claiming to know anything - it's just an opinion. I read what happens in courts and logic does not always prevail.
 
Couldn't Spotify just ask their users to pay on the web? They could just display a window saying in order to update your payment method or buy a pro subscription, you have to use a web browser.

Nobody is forcing them to offer subscriptions through the phone and at the end of the day, it's apple's ecosystem, they can do as they please. If you don't like it, you can't get an app on the app store.
I don't think App Store rules allow any links or messaging in-app that redirects people elsewhere.
 
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Ridiculous. That's like saying Walmart isn't allowed to sell their own brand of shampoo in their stores because it competes with other companies also selling shampoo.

Only thing ridiculous here is the really BAD analogy you used to Walmart selling products on the shelf

In case you don't know, retail stores don't operate like an App store. it isn't Walmart selling a product on behalf of lets say, Head and Shoulders.

Walmart has to purchase their store inventory directly from Head and Shoulders. Any sales that Walmart then make of Head and Shoulders goes directly to the revenues of Walmart. After initial inventory purchase, Head and Shoulders doesn't receive further percentages of sales.


if Apple wanted to use this retail model. They would be purchasing the Apps from the developers themselves and then taking 100% of the revenues after its sold to the consumer.

but we all know this isn't how digital app marketplace operates. So your analogy as a defense for your point is as you said. Ridiculous.
 
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Ridiculous. That's like saying Walmart isn't allowed to sell their own brand of shampoo in their stores because it competes with other companies also selling shampoo.

No, because the shampoo would be different. It would be like saying Walmart can't sell shelf-space to a Head and Shoulders reseller, and then turn around and sell Head and Shoulders itself which it buys directly from the manufacturer without a reseller.
 
I am confused as to why people here believe that the only way to get a Spotify subscription is via the AppStore. They do not allow alternative payment methods WITHIN the app because, gee, there could be a billion misuses of that.

Simple work around, go to the spotify website and .. sign up the account there, setup payment, etc. Then sign in on the app. Is this REALLY that difficult?
 
Why doesn't Spotify just remove the app from the store? If a platform doesn't support what you want to do then just stop supporting it. It might force iPhone users to eventually switch to Android which in turn might force a change on Apple's end. Don't be afraid to walk away from a bad deal.

Because you are now taking the service away from the many who got it to use it on their phones? I wouldn't doubt there are people who would switch to Android to keep it, but that number won't shadow the many who will choose to stay on Apple and switch to a different service.
 
Such BS from Spotify and sad to see that some politicians have bought into that BS. Apple is continually punished for having the gall to be successful.
 
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The problem is that Apple wields tremendous power in this particular market and this is of huge significance for the development and distribution of digital content overall. It would be much less of a problem to me if Apple were not so keen on competing in the exact same market with their own products. They are using their market power in this market to force Spotify out and they would benefit immensely if Spotify were to disappear. This is unfair competition and bad for consumers. In this case it even hurts them directly, because Apple suppresses any of Spotify’s advertising that informs them of more reasonable prices.

Spotify has no choice at all, they are strongly dependent upon access to this market. Apple controls a significant share in distribution of digital content in the mobile space and this warrants a closer look at their sales practices. This practice can stifle competition and it is bad for everyone but Apple. From a consumer’s point of view, I do not like this at all.

Spotify has a choice. They can charge everybody at 6.99 and offer only paid apps.

Spotify currently have 100million users and 30million paid users. Ads are far and few between Obviously they still have to pay the music publishers what the 70million users have used.

They have a choice to work within Apple's rules. You don't see other paid apps complain about Apple getting a cut.
 
I don't know why Apple is doing this why they have to re-direct Spotify people out side of the app.

If they cut Spotify a special deal (say 10%) and charged Pandora and other streaming services 30%, they would truly be undertaking anti-competitive behavior as they would be favoring one App Store vendor at the expense of others.
 
And? So what? With subscription apps outside of credit card processing what is Apple doing that requires them to get a 30% cut? Because they're hosting an app (even if they're not hosting the content inside of the app) that generates revenue Apple deserves a cut? I'm not sure they do, certainly not 30%.

First off, it wouldn't just be subscriptions that linked to outside the App. All Apps could do this which would cut Apples revenue for running the App Store down to zero. And it would expose customers to increased risk having to sign up to multiple sites for all the different Apps you decided to buy.

Apple deserves a cut because they are giving you access to hundreds of millions of customers with credit cards on file who can make a purchase as simply as tapping their iPhone. Stores like to take credit cards even though they pay fees. Why? Because people will often buy something on credit and pay for it later. So you can get the sale on a credit card or lose the sale because you don't accept them. Same with The App Store. Customers are going to be more likely to purchase something if it's quick and easy. Why do you think Amazons 1-click ordering is so popular? Because it makes things easy for customers.

This is something we can't measure, because Spotify won't say anything about how many customers sign up through iOS. But I bet it's a LOT, given how much they whine about it. They're happy to get millions of subscribers from Apples user base, but don't want to pay for the privilege. It's really that simple.
 
Let me sell in your shop but I will charge my customers somewhere else, is this what they are asking or I am wrong?

Nah, that's really not it at all. How about this instead: Let me use my phone to buy whatever apps I want, however I want to buy them and stop inserting yourself as an unwanted, surcharging middle man.
 
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Only thing ridiculous here is the really BAD analogy you used to Walmart selling products on the shelf

In case you don't know, retail stores don't operate like an App store. it isn't Walmart selling a product on behalf of lets say, Head and Shoulders.

Walmart has to purchase their store inventory directly from Head and Shoulders. Any sales that Walmart then make of Head and Shoulders goes directly to the revenues of Walmart. After initial inventory purchase, Head and Shoulders doesn't receive further percentages of sales.

if Apple wanted to use this retail model. They would be purchasing the Apps from the developers themselves and then taking 100% of the revenues after its sold to the consumer.

but we all know this isn't how digital app marketplace operates. So your analogy as a defense for your point is as you said. Ridiculous.

Everything you said. Agree 100%. One cannot draw a comparison between a physical and digital store. Two different beasts altogether.
 
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This is the most ridiculous pro-apple response regarding this dispute. Why people continue to repeat it is beyond me.
It's actually a really good point. If you view the App Store as a shopping mall, they are charging someone to set up shop and operate there. If you don't like it, you go buy your own plot of land and construct your own building. Then you try to attract potential customers to your new location.
 
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