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Spotify CEO Daniel Ek on Apple's EU Changes: 'They Think the Rules Don't Apply to Them'

Mescagnus said:
Apple is a business. EU reins in Apple with regulations that are a blatant overreach of power. Who will rein in the EU? Is there an independent court or body where EU's regulations can be contested? It is ridiculous that EU can impose sanctions calculated from a worldwide turnover, when they regulate only the EU market and have no power with customers, developers or businesses outside the market.
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A government entity that has the mandate of the people makes laws that are blatant overreach of power? Are you aware that that is the primary purpose of that organization? Also, are you aware that the law was ratified by all the member states? Who ratified Apple's rules? Care to tell us?
 
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This is what you get when you don't stand up to bullies... more bullying. Apple needed to tell the EU to go stuff themselves, Elon style. But since they didn't, this is the result, with more to come. It won't end.
 
Mrkevinfinnerty said:
It doesn't, the amount Spotify pays artists has nothing to do with Apples anticompetitive business practices. Streaming royalties are irrelevant here.

This is a legal question. If you murder someone who is also a murderer you don't get a pass.
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Spotify is the largest music streamer there is and they don't pay Apple a cent more than the cost of a $99 developer account.

In what way is Apple limiting Spotify? They seem to retain their position as market leader without the need to have IAPs.
 
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Samplasion said:
Apple could very well put the App Store on Android, free of charge, today. They wouldn't do it, and it would be a total failure if they did, but they absolutely can.
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Anf Google can now put their store on iOS, but they won't. They charge the same commission as Apple, so developers don't have any incentives to move to the Google store.
 
JLL said:
Anf Google can now put their store on iOS, but they won't. They charge the same commission as Apple, so developers don't have any incentives to move to the Google store.
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I know - everything I said applies to the opposite case as well. Except Google wouldn't want to pay the Apple Alt Store tax.
 
It's honestly ludicrous that devs have to pay any annual fees to Apple

Apple is benefiting ENORMOUSLY from having Devs creating for their platform.

It's literally one of, if not the biggest, drivers of the iPhone money machine.

They act like Devs should be thankful to them ...
If third party apps went away tomorrow, watch iPhone sales drop to basically "nothing" (relative to right now).
 
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How can a competing application store compete on similar terms if they must pay a commission on all sales to Apple who runs their own store and have no fee for themselves?
Samplasion said:
And have to pay $99/year for the Apple Tax, which I'm not willing to pay.
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Then don't release anything on iOS, You can't expect to do what YOU want for free on platforms owned by others.
 
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Apple has lived long enough to become the villain. I wonder when someone is going to pie Tim Cook? If Gates deserved it he sure as hell does. Apple needs knocked down a few notches and given healthy doses of humble pie.


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Sophisticatednut said:
Well Apple will get a rude awakening. I recommend you guys actually read the legislation in full. Especially the part before article 1 describing the intention of the legislation.

4. The gatekeeper shall not engage in any behaviour that undermines effective compliance with the obligations of Articles 5, 6 and 7 regardless of whether that behaviour is of a contractual, commercial or technical nature, or of any other nature, or consists in the use of behavioural techniques or interface design
A spokesperson for the European Commission said:​

Apple will get a very rude awakening



Hahaha I have quite the legal surprise to you When it comes to EU law.
The legal framework for this case consists of the following EU law and court rulings:
  • The consumer owns the operating system and the hardware, as the purchase of the iPhone constituted a sale of goods, and the operating system was an essential and inseparable part of the good.
  • The iOS EULA is invalid and unenforceable, as Apple did not inform the consumer of the license terms before the sale, and the consumer did not accept the license terms voluntarily and knowingly.
  1. The Directive 2009/24/EC
  2. The Directive 2019/770/EU
  3. The Directive 2019/771/EU
  4. The Directive 2019/2161
  5. The judgment in Case C-128/11 UsedSoft v Oracle
  6. The judgment in Case C-166/15 Ranks v Microsoft Corp
  7. The judgment in Case C-406/10 SAS Institute Inc. v World Programming Ltd
  8. The judgment in Case C-355/12 Nintendo v PC Box Srl and Others
  9. The judgment in Case T-172/21 Valve v Commission
  10. The judgment in Case C‑307/18 Generics (UK) Ltd and Others
  11. The judgment in Case C‑373/14 P Toshiba v Commission
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sure, whatever you say ... I'll wait until the official response from the EU ...
 
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hurt97 said:
Spotify is a 20 year old company that still isn't profitable, just shut up and close your company.
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Loads of people will miss it then, as number-wise they are still probably the biggest music streaming platform worldwide. Perhaps not the best, but definitely the most popular, almost as synonymous with music streaming as Google with search.
 
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jz0309 said:
sure, whatever you say ... I'll wait until the official response from the EU ...
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Well multiple cases have rules in such instances and found the EULa null and void for a few reasons.
1: the agreement wasn’t signed before the purchase finalized
2: indefinite license= purchase

Just how Valve lost their legal case that steam is a “service” and users only “purchased” access. Something that was completely invalidated by the court.
 
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Samplasion said:
Same old tired argument. Great the thread to understand why iOS copies on iDevices aren't "Apple property"
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You can do what YOU want on YOUR device. Don't expect Apple to help you do that on other devices.

I guess you find it strange that no platform released after the Mac/Windows/Linux era behaves like you want them to.
 
Samplasion said:
Not every app should be a for-profit business. What if I want to publish my free, libre, open source apps for others to install and enjoy? Turns out I can't, because I can't afford the fees.
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Easy. Just stay on the Apple AppStore, where you can distribute your app completely free. Perhaps also with a wider audience than other app stores.
 
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