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My first thought is why would I subscribe to Spotify to listen to a podcast. I then see people say they have premium and there are no commercials. I really hate commercials in podcasts. Every podcast has the same mattress or squaretrade or happy meal or whatever commercials. I think I'd pay $10 a month if all podcasts I listen to were commercial free.
 
Dumb thing to say. I’m all in with my Apple ecosystem minus Apple Music. I have Spotify Premium instead. So much better than Apple Music.
You can enjoy Apple Music but wishing Spotify away is childish.

It's more childish to cheer on a company that is living far beyond its means and basically encouraging them to continue down a road to failure just because you prefer their product. They do not have a self-sufficient and viable business model at this time, and yet seem to be speeding up their trip to ruin.
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After yesterday’s greedy event, I might cancel Apple Music subscription and go for Spotify. Also, it has wider selections here in EU.

Exactly what did Apple announce yesterday they you think you deserve for free instead of the nominal costs they put on these OPTIONAL services? Do you want free games and devs to get paid nothing? Perhaps you want all those production people to make TV shows for you for free? Maybe you want stores to just give you items on your good word without a credit line or money? You want journalists and photographers to provide you with information and entertainment for free?
 
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I’m a Spotify subscriber but I currently use Overcast for my podcasts. I’m sure the same content is available through Spotify but the client is missing really simple features, such as auto-downloading and notifications of new releases.

One would have thought Spotify could do a lot more to enhance the podcast experience without having to spend $300m purchasing smaller companies.
 
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I don't see anyone ever becoming "the netflix of podcasts"... podcasts are more akin to the content on YouTube or Facebook or some other social network.

We don't really want anyone to become the 'Netflix of podcasting' if that means podcast content locked up within their paid service. Podcasts are more like websites... point your browser and go (or in this case, podcast player of choice).

The fear is that Spotify is trying to disrupt that model. I don't know if that is a legit fear or not. Maybe they just intend to to distribute podcasts via their player/service, and then also have a few really high-end paid shows, too. I guess that's their prerogative, just like a few 'traditional' podcasters have some paid content.

But, on the whole, the paid thing runs counter to the podcast culture. Most podcasters who make money, do so via sponsors or 'value for value' contributions from the listeners. Some have tried ads, but I don't know how successful that is, and most listeners kind of hate it.

Why are they “going after Apple”? How big is Apple; and how big are the other players?

Well, Apple is the big 'podcast directory service' (like a phone book listing or Google page result) out there, as well as the top audio player. Apple's Podcast app and iTunes accounted for about 63% of podcast plays last month. Spotify has been growing, and hit about 9.5% last month. For some other perspective, Overcast hit 2.9% and Google Podcast hit 1.1%.

BUT, it is critical to recognize we're just talking about directory and players here. When you create a podcast, you host it somewhere like Libsyn or Blubrry (or somewhere like SoundCloud or Anchor if you want to play it risky). Then, someone uses a player to read your RSS feed to get new episodes. Apple just plays the 'directory listing' role and/or media player role, but really has no control over anything after that. (ie: once someone subscribes with their player, Apple could go away and you'd keep getting episodes.)

My feel on why they (Spotify) are interested, is that podcasting just keeps growing in popularity/use. They want to have some attractive shows to pull people into their subscription service, just like Apple is creating TV shows to hook people into theirs.

Competition should help spur both Apple and Spotify to improve and make their respective podcasting services better.

Maybe, though I'm not sure that's the point here, and that they are really competing. Apple has been doing the podcast thing all along, but for what? I guess recognition. Maybe it has been a selling point for Apple devices and 'iPods' (now phones) to become more popular.

Spotify seems to have other motives, like pulling people into their service (paid). We'll have to watch where this goes.

My first thought is why would I subscribe to Spotify to listen to a podcast. I then see people say they have premium and there are no commercials. I really hate commercials in podcasts. Every podcast has the same mattress or squaretrade or happy meal or whatever commercials. I think I'd pay $10 a month if all podcasts I listen to were commercial free.

Heh, you may just be listening to the wrong podcasts, then. :) That said, more and more podcasters take on sponsors, I guess, so you get some ad-reads. But, the better podcasters actually use and love the products from their sponsors, and those products are a great fit for their listeners. If the 'ad read' is just the host talking about why they love XYZ product, that really isn't too irritating. I've bought a number of products over the last few years based on podcast host recommendation, and I've been quite happy to have discovered those products/services. It's not all bad, IF well done.

But, there are also many podcasters who are moving towards a 'value for value' funding model, where they just ask the listeners to donate what the podcast is worth to them. Sure, you probably have to listen to an ask for said funding from time to time, but I really like that model too, as it keeps the podcaster not being influenced by advertisers/sponsors... especially if the podcast is of a type where such influence matters (ie: politics, medical advice, etc, etc.).
 
We don't really want anyone to become the 'Netflix of podcasting' if that means podcast content locked up within their paid service. Podcasts are more like websites... point your browser and go (or in this case, podcast player of choice).

The fear is that Spotify is trying to disrupt that model. I don't know if that is a legit fear or not. Maybe they just intend to to distribute podcasts via their player/service, and then also have a few really high-end paid shows, too. I guess that's their prerogative, just like a few 'traditional' podcasters have some paid content.

But, on the whole, the paid thing runs counter to the podcast culture. Most podcasters who make money, do so via sponsors or 'value for value' contributions from the listeners. Some have tried ads, but I don't know how successful that is, and most listeners kind of hate it.



Well, Apple is the big 'podcast directory service' (like a phone book listing or Google page result) out there, as well as the top audio player. Apple's Podcast app and iTunes accounted for about 63% of podcast plays last month. Spotify has been growing, and hit about 9.5% last month. For some other perspective, Overcast hit 2.9% and Google Podcast hit 1.1%.

BUT, it is critical to recognize we're just talking about directory and players here. When you create a podcast, you host it somewhere like Libsyn or Blubrry (or somewhere like SoundCloud or Anchor if you want to play it risky). Then, someone uses a player to read your RSS feed to get new episodes. Apple just plays the 'directory listing' role and/or media player role, but really has no control over anything after that. (ie: once someone subscribes with their player, Apple could go away and you'd keep getting episodes.)

My feel on why they (Spotify) are interested, is that podcasting just keeps growing in popularity/use. They want to have some attractive shows to pull people into their subscription service, just like Apple is creating TV shows to hook people into theirs.


Maybe, though I'm not sure that's the point here, and that they are really competing. Apple has been doing the podcast thing all along, but for what? I guess recognition. Maybe it has been a selling point for Apple devices and 'iPods' (now phones) to become more popular.

Spotify seems to have other motives, like pulling people into their service (paid). We'll have to watch where this goes.
Thanks for taking the time and explaining it - much appreciated!
 
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Thanks for taking the time and explaining it - much appreciated!

You're welcome...

Oh, and I should have also mentioned that some of these places (I'm not sure about Spotify, but I'm kind of guessing they do) read your RSS feed and then pull your mp3 file over and re-encode it and directly distribute it from their service to their player.

Sometimes they do it for legitimate delivery purposes, or to crunch all podcasts down to a universal lower quality. But, they also sometimes do it so they can do their own ad injection. (ie: ads will be inserted into your podcast that you didn't originally embed in the file)

So, what I said initially above might not be always true, in that some particular apps/services might be pointing the subscription (in their player) at their hosting instead of your hosting. However, if you are hosted somewhere else, and the listener used some other app and subscribed, they would be getting the file from your host.

So, in some cases (if you submit your feed to these services, which you should probably do... though I wouldn't use them as your primary host), they are pulling a copy of your master file and then pointing their listeners to that copy (which may or may not be modified).

So, that muddies the water a bit.

Here are a couple resources by Dave Jackson (including an interview where he covers hosting) who is one of the experts in the field. I like how he explains it using the traditional radio station analogy:

http://schoolofpodcasting.com/switching-hosting-companies-podcasting/

Anyway, if you have a podcast, you'll absolutely want to submit it to Spotify, where as a few years back, most people only cared about submitting to Apple/iTunes. And, there are others to be concerned about too, even if they are still small, especially Google Podcast.

If you're a listener, I'd just pick the best app. I'm a big Overcast fan. But, I can see Spotify users just using that app if they already love it for music... but, I don't think they will currently see as many podcasts if they search, as only a segment of podcasts have been submitted to Spotify at this point.

Same goes for Google, though with Google a podcast is quite likely to come up in regular web-search, if the podcaster has a web presence.

Apple has the most complete listing of podcasts in their directory. The problem is that Apple's search engine sucks, so you can sometimes be searching for the exact name of a podcast you know exists and not find it. It would be interesting to do some kind of survey of the average podcast listener to find out how they discover new podcasts. Do they go to Apple? Search with Google? Just hear about it on a podcast they already listen to? etc.
 
I subscribe to Apple Music family plan. However, I still use Spotify also. Maybe it’s user error but with Spotify I can’t seem to find the “clean” versions of songs/albums. That’s the only reason I went with Apple Music instead. My kids are still young. My wife and I have decided that we want to be careful what music content they have access to. Apple let’s me set those limits. Spotify may do the same but I haven’t been able to find the option.

On the podcast note... I listen to podcast daily. I like several Parcast shows. I don’t mind Spotify owning them. It’s really just another money stream for them.
 
I hope you can appreciate the worlds of difference between 1. acquiring content which although exclusive to their app, can still be listened to freely, albeit with ads and 2. hoping a company fails and gets bought out by your favorite company. One of those things is par for the course in business. The other is an irrational raving based on "I like this company more"
Companies failing and getting bought up by other companies (usually their competitors) is par for in the course in business as well.
I don’t like podcasts having even more ads in them and Spotify means they’d be unskippable without any option of a DRM-free MP3 download so I’m inclined not to care if and when the market passes judgement on them in favor of their competitors.
 
On the podcast note... I listen to podcast daily. I like several Parcast shows. I don’t mind Spotify owning them. It’s really just another money stream for them.

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I don’t like podcasts having even more ads in them and Spotify means they’d be unskippable without any option of a DRM-free MP3 download so I’m inclined not to care if and when the market passes judgement on them in favor of their competitors.

Yes, but as you can see, there are consequences to a change in the fundaments of this industry. Podcasts have mostly (up until now), and almost by definition, been freely distributed media owned by the podcast producer. Apple has been a big force (in terms of their directory and player), but has been pretty hands off in terms of influencing the fundamentals.

Switching to a 'Netflix' type model would have huge implications, so be careful what you support or wish for. We're not just talking $ here either, but also control and free-press type stuff. Once you go ad-driven and subscriptions, there is no longer the same freedoms.

For example, if you're listening to a podcast about health, talking about the impact of certain medications... would you rather that podcast producer be funded by audience donations, or ads from big-pharma?

I'm already nervous about some of the more recent de-platforming going on, which is far easier once a podcast is owned by a corporation inside a paywall.
 
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