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I see Spotify and Apple Music like Netflix and Amazon Instant Video. They are 100% focused on their niche and unless Apple/Amazon focus more resourses on these side projects they can't compete.
 
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Too many people here think that Spotify isn't making money off those free-of-charge members. Which is wrong -- they are making a lot of money still.

What causes you to believe that?

Spotify's financial statements suggest otherwise - i.e., that its royalty and distribution costs for its ad-supported tier exceed its revenues for that tier. And that's not taking into account the expenses which are accounted for on a company-wide basis - e.g., marketing, administrative, financing.
 
I have to agree with you on that. Spotify actually on the first day recommended music I loved after only using it for a few hours. AM is bad but the worst is Play Music. Listen to 80's rock they will recommend commercial rap and pop crap so after a week they will start to recommend more 80's rock good right. Listen to one modern artist like Adele then it messed up the recommendations again recommended commercial rap and pop crap.

Spotify's Your Daily Mixes are freakish at picking what I want, gives me lots of great options to just throw on.

I had a 2 year premium subscription that came with a cell phone plan and it ran out a couple of months ago. I don't want to spend the $10 a month but I'm seriously considering it.
 
Spotify's Your Daily Mixes are freakish at picking what I want, gives me lots of great options to just throw on.

I had a 2 year premium subscription that came with a cell phone plan and it ran out a couple of months ago. I don't want to spend the $10 a month but I'm seriously considering it.
They're having a promo right now which is 3 months of Spotify for 99 cents. Not sure if it applies to your account with the cell phone deal, but you can check. The promo ends the 26th of this month.
 
Paying customers are clearly not growing as fast as Apple's, otherwise they would have bragged about that figure as well.

Basically, they pay more money to rightholdrs for a booming free tier, while the paying customers don't grow as fast as they need to grow to have at least a chance of profitability in the future.

This is a worrisome press release for Spotify.
 
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Interesting. In terms of usability I'm sure Spotify is excellent, but when it comes to design aesthetics, I personally think it's hideous.

I find this comment to be interesting because it reminds me of some other Apple products.

Ideally, one would probably want both usability and aesthetics, but given the choice between the two, I would go with usability.

One thing that I think Apple has struggled with lately is the usability, and ease of use of their software. It is not as intuitive as it once one. I find myself constantly having to look up online how to accomplish simple tasks on the iOS, Mac OS, and tvOS. It didn't use to be this way. Well, at least not for the iOS and Mac.

This also reminds be of the Netflix app on the ATV3 and the ATV4. The ATV4 Netflix app is very aesthetically pleasing when compared to the ATV3 version, but the usability of the ATV3 version is much better than the forever scrolling on the ATV4 version. Also, the ATV3 version gives a lot more useful info.

The ideal app would have both, but I prefer usability over aesthetics when it comes to apps. I do not use Apple Music, nor Spotify, but maybe I will look into Spotify's free tier just to check it out.
 
Spotify doesnt allow me to upload my songs to my spotify account/cloud. Therefore apple music is better. Simple as that.
 
Apple should expand to non-Apple devices like Playstation and Android, if the servers can handle it. Apple needs a lot of time to get some services right, Apple Music seems to be one of them.
 
I am an Apple diehard, but I must admit that Spotify offers a much better user interface for paid subscribers. I finally dropped Apple Music last month and won't return until they make some improvements.

Few days ago I cancelled my Apple Music and returned to Spotify, I used an iOS App called SongShift to move all my list to Spotify. Spotify offers better recommendations, long playlists, songs starts playing immediately, cross fade between songs, desktop App is much better than iTunes.
 
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I can somewhat agree with this. I currently have both due to a 0.99 Spotify promo. If Apple would let me use Spotify with Siri i'd switch completely. Or allow default app switching. It's ****** getting in my car and it auto plays AM because Spotify was dumped from memory. And then not being able to use my watch/Hey Siri to get it going again. Basically walled in by Apple.
No. You just have to use another control method for Spotify. You aren't "Walled in". Sheesh!
 
Spotify it's a better than Apple Music, the quality on Spotify it's way better. Even with music from the 70's, 80's and 90's, Apple Music quality it's horrible. You can tell the difference between the two services on the spot, that's is my 1# reason I am keeping Spotify. Not counting the interface it's so simple to use.
 
I am an Apple diehard, but I must admit that Spotify offers a much better user interface for paid subscribers. I finally dropped Apple Music last month and won't return until they make some improvements.

Couldn't agree more. While I like the UI of Apple Music, they continued to recommend the same music for me.

Spotify on the other hand does a fantastic job at recommending new music/bands that I are along with what I listen to. I can live with the dark UI as long as the playlists and music recommendations are superior to what Apple has.
 
No, you misunderstand.

ALL of iTunes, not just my library.
As in basically EVERYTHING on Apple's iTunes server? Haha you must have a very large range of musical interests. I'm willing to bet you could probably go just about a lifetime and still not hear every song twice. Now that would be a crazy statistic.
 
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Having used BOTH services extensively, there is just so much that Spotify does better I cancelled my Apple Music subscription. The benefits to Spotify far outweigh those of Apple Music. Spotify offers better software for iPhone and Mac, better streaming options, longer default playlists, user curated playlists, and provides better information on artists sharing abilities, and music suggestions. I'd be up to trying Apple Music for a THIRD time in the future, but as a die hard Apple fan who usually uses only Apple products, my money is on Spotify in the long term.
 
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Which is why I stuck with AM. I really tried to like Spotify as it has great sound quality but when I did the 3 month 0.99 trail they kept removing older albums all the time. I listen to older music I hate the new music sync pop rap crap so I don't listen to it ever so I love the older music. This is the reason why I dropped Spotify.

The only other service that matches AM in albums is Play Music however when my trail ends I will drop Play Music because of there horrible poor muddy flat sound quality. Really they still use MP3 even though is it a dead non supported format. Only if they switch over to AAC, OGG I will try them again.

Yes! Older music FTW! Can't stand this new crap nowadays. There's a few modern artists I like, but that's just about it and all their music can be found on both services.
 
So more than half in the free tier? That's seems like a huge bubble that's going to burst on them one day...
Sure, if you think so.
Apple's only got half as many paying subscribers as Spotify, but Spotify's "bubble" is gonna burst ?

By your logic, Amazon's bubble will burst too, seeing it took them 20 years of not turning a profit before reaching black ink. Spotify's on course to turn a profit in half that time.
 


Spotify's revenue grew more than 50 percent, to $3.3 billion last year, according to the company's latest financial statement. The company has committed to spending more than $2 billion in payments to record labels over the next two years.

Article Link: Spotify Continues to Grow Faster Than Apple Music Thanks to Free Tier

Way to go MacRumors. Tell half the story, leave out the parts that don’t fit the editorial “Apple is doomed” agenda. Spotify’s revenue grew to $3.3 billion BUT Spotify STILL lost $610 million overall. Spotify is not Amazon and cannot continue losing money for much longer.
 
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The 50 million paying users of Spotify know you are wrong, but then so do you. What we don't know is why you say it anyway.

Most of the people that have premium Spotify don't pay the full price (deals with carriers), or only have it because it's zero-rated by the carrier…

That "argument" that Spotify's UI is better than Apple Music is pure… well… let me post this here…

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