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Muzzled. Spotify is nearly $1 billion in the red even with an IPO and a $270/share current price tag and an absurdly inflated $53.23B evaluation with a P/E of - (meaning they are in the RED).

Spotify brings nothing to the table. Apple created the subscription Podcast industry via Steve Jobs in 2005 providing the first global revenue service, made the first truly viable Streaming Audio Music service that pleased global music production houses and now we have a company that is valued at over $53 billion and yet continues to operate further and further into the RED.

That mismanagement has nothing to do with Apple blocking them. The only thing keeping Spotify not being further in debt is their investments in other stocks/funds to offset their losses and prop up their assets.

Apple investing heavier into Sports Broadcasting, Film, Television series and Documentaries will only more than offset this $2 billion fine.

Apple is ramping up investments anywhere from $10-$20 billion annually in AI server gear [and not the vast bulk of it, if any at all, will be with Team Green], along side expanded investments in AI for on-device Neural Processing to interact with IoT across every hop of the Internet.

The next frontier of Networks deals with the stuff from AMD Pensando, Nokia, Palo Alto Networks and more must all be factored in those plans.

Stuff like the following Apple will have deeply connected interest in with collaborations seeing as 5G, but more importantly 6G requires patent access rights and licensing from Nokia, Vodafone, Ericsson and Samsung, etc.,


While Nvidia is currently booming in their neck of the woods, most AI will be living in trafficking data safely, with low latency around the globe and across distributed and redundant back end cloud services for heavy computation and efficient throughput outcomes.

There is a reason AMD spent over $45 billion buying Pensando and Xilinx. It wasn't to catch up but to skate to where the puck will be. Apple never publicly announces large purchases from vendors for backend services. They never will. They just quietly keep purchasing and upgrading their entire iCloud global services.

Streaming Networks the world over, to billions of devices will need end-to-end AI to keep those services running smoothly. Apple will partner with industry leaders in networking to make sure their end-to-end user experience remains the best.

Stuff like this from Nokia is just beginning to roll out in 2024.


These will be all over large metropolitan areas including down to mid-size cities.

This ‘fine' gets fans of Spotify orgasmic but it's like a rain drop to the bigger picture.
 
In a blog post, Spotify says that the European Commission has sent a clear message that "Apple's behavior limiting communications to consumers is unlawful."
Because Spotify had to yell “Uncle”, because they can’t compete with what Apple Music have. Not to mention, Apple actually pays their artists.

I don’t care if this is European pride or not. This is Spotify being absolutely anti competitive. They want to shut down their competition. Period.

Because they can’t compete with superior product.

Apple should just retaliate by getting rid of Apple Music in EU. See how that will hurt European music industry.
 
I really hate this Apple vs EU narrative that results in people taking "sides." Like... maybe Apple has wayyy too much market power (and power over our lives in general) but also, the EU groups writing these laws and making these decisions aren't nearly accountable enough to their citizens. Also guess what Spotify is super evil too! Everyone is bad! What we really need is a artist-owned music streaming service based on radical transparency that doesn't involve the music labels at all.
 
The fines would have to amount to around $25 billion per year before being in the EU would turn unprofitable for Apple.

LOL, do some research. The EU would need to fine Apple over $20 Billion a year to have an impact.

Fines are not the only cost. When your HW and SW design decision are micromanaged by the EU it has potential impact to your global revenue stream. For example, look at the current EU regulation on AI sources. If the cost to comply is high enough it's cheaper just to exit the EU market.
 
Spotify thinks they should freeload off of Apple's success instead of risking billions on R&D of their own platform.

Also
They don't want to go web only.
They think Apple should front the server bill to serve billions of copies of their app updated weekly.
They think Apple should run notification servers for free.
They think Apple deserves $0 for putting them on the front page of the App Store which gets half a billion visitors a week.
They think Apple deserves $0 for constantly building/updating not-perfect-but-way-better-than-other-platform developer tools.

Because somehow they think $99/year ought to be enough to cover those costs, right? Nevermind paying the human $20/hr to review their app weekly.

Stop whining Spotify. Maybe you should start paying more to the artists while you're at it, like Apple is doing.

And you seem to be forgetting that users pay Apple a significant amount of money for their devices which funds all the things you describe. Apple is double-dipping on both sides. Using your logic, petrol stations should have to pay car manufacturers for putting R&D into petrol powered engines.
 
And you seem to be forgetting that users pay Apple a significant amount of money for their devices which funds all the things you describe.
nope. it literally does not.

assume iPhone SE gross margin 30%. Operational expenses can't exceed $130 per device. looking at on-going costs
- 5GB of free storage for life + data transfers between device + iCloud for next 8 years
- Notification services for first party apps (including safari) at least the next 8 years
- Apple Maps usage
- 5 years of updates
- Warranty coverage for 1 year
- Tech support, Genius Bar visits for device
- HomeKit services
- Siri services
- Weather data/services
- Stocks services
- News (free tier)
- Find my services
- iMessage services
- FaceTime
- Gamecenter
- Translation services

list goes on. and that's assuming Apple just wants to break even at $130. likely they want to keep a net profit
 
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fantastic news. now starting jailing apple executives.

apple can whine all it wants, but its days of stealing from developers are coming to a close.

Stealing? That's a bold statement.

It's time for the commission fee to be reduced, yes, but not to $0.00.

Apple 100% deserves compensation for what it delivers to the market.

The real problem is the lack of platform competition. iOS and Android need a third and fourth contender.
 
Spotify thinks they should freeload off of Apple's success instead of risking billions on R&D of their own platform.

Also
They don't want to go web only.
They think Apple should front the server bill to serve billions of copies of their app updated weekly.
They think Apple should run notification servers for free.
They think Apple deserves $0 for putting them on the front page of the App Store which gets half a billion visitors a week.
They think Apple deserves $0 for constantly building/updating not-perfect-but-way-better-than-other-platform developer tools.

Because somehow they think $99/year ought to be enough to cover those costs, right? Nevermind paying the human $20/hr to review their app weekly.

Stop whining Spotify. Maybe you should start paying more to the artists while you're at it, like Apple is doing.

Developers would gladly distribute their apps from their own servers -or- would welcome distribution via other app stores, which is true competition. Innovative competition could also motivate improvements in Apple's own app stores.

Apple curates all App Store content so if it wasn't in Apple's best interest to put Spotify on the front page then it wouldn't be there.

Apple is a hardware platform company and has never made a profit on selling software, yet they believe they can dictate how the entire software industry makes money. $99 per year is overcharging, the cost should be zero. Apple's job is to constantly build/update a platform that developers want to write apps for. This drives hardware sales which is how Apple makes money.

Also, the EU is just getting started. They've been reaching out to small U.S. developers to get information on how the App Store is harming both developers and their customers. I've had apps in the store since 2008 and have now been contacted twice. It's mainly just survey type information and they're clear the EU won't pursue any direct action for specific developers (take it to your own court system). Seems they're looking for general themes to pursue. Call it a fishing expedition if you want but the EU is a bureaucratic machine, might as well help them keep the teeth in Apple's behind.
 
How would you know? And why exactly does Apple have this huge profits? They do it by ripping off both the customers and app developers.
because when you buy an iPhone, it's literally under a separate category under the financials? App Store expenses/profits are under the services category. buying an iPhone goes towards the iPhone category. iPhone does not fund Spotify related services under the services category. buying apps/in app purchases do.
 
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