Spotify on Apple's Response to App Store Dispute: 'Every Monopolist Will Suggest They Have Done Nothing Wrong'

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Spotify on Wednesday announced it filed an antitrust complaint against Apple with the European Commission over unfair App Store practices. Apple responded two days later, labeling the complaint as "misleading rhetoric" and arguing that "Spotify wants all the benefits of a free app without being free."


    The war of words has since continued. In a statement issued to Variety, Spotify said "every monopolist will suggest they have done nothing wrong" and that, consequently, Apple's response was "entirely in line" with its expectations.

    Spotify's statement:
    See Spotify's Time to Play Fair website and Apple's Addressing Spotify's Claims press release for each company's stance.

    Article Link: Spotify on Apple's Response to App Store Dispute: 'Every Monopolist Will Suggest They Have Done Nothing Wrong'
  2. Ds6778 macrumors 6502a


    Sep 9, 2016
    So go find another platform. Why does Spotify whine so much? Do all music streaming services complain as much as Spotify?
  3. Pepe4life macrumors 6502


    Nov 15, 2018
    Spotify is probably one of the whiniest companies on this planet
  4. dannyyankou macrumors G3


    Mar 2, 2012
    Scarsdale, NY
    This narrative about calling Apple a “monopoly” is just so wrong. The App Store is a platform with millions of apps, and there’s plenty of competition. If Apple made every app, they’d have a point.
  5. StellarVixen macrumors 68000


    Mar 1, 2018
    Stop complaining and start paying the artists!
  6. idbuythatforadollar macrumors newbie

    Aug 22, 2017
    I don’t understand their logic, they’re mad that Apple takes a 15% cut for distributing and promoting their app while they do the same thing with artists?

    They fail to mention that App Store brings in double as much revenue compared to Google Play Store, if you’re not happy with Apples 15% cut, just use Play Store and see how it goes for your business.

    And also, Spotify decided to go to court so they could have a bigger cut from the poor artists while Apple decided not to. They’re such a hypocrite
  7. ipedro macrumors 601


    Nov 30, 2004
    Toronto, ON
    Spotify sees the writing on the wall. Apple is disrupting Spotify’s defacto monopoly on speakers by offering Apple Music built in.

    Until recently, when someone purchased a connected speaker, Spotify was the only real choice even for iPhone users because Apple Music wasn’t offered. Apple Music is now spreading to these speakers so that people have a real choice and Spotify is scared.
  8. mnsportsgeek macrumors 68000

    Feb 24, 2009
  9. Zimmy68 macrumors 68000


    Jul 23, 2008
    Everything that Apple said is true.
    But 30%? Are you kidding me, even 15%?
    I would think services like this would expect 1-5%. Apple is greedy, pure and simple.
  10. Porco macrumors 68030


    Mar 28, 2005
    They're not a monopolist! Go to jail Spotify! Do not pass Go! Do not collect $200!*

    *But if you do collect $200, Apple want 30%, falling to 15% in the second year.
  11. Bornee35 macrumors 6502


    May 6, 2013
    Apple makes the hardware and software. They can do whatever they want with their platform. Nobody is forcing Spotify to be available on iOS, and can make their own mobile device and operating system if they want to do what their heart desires. Microsoft was fined over IE because they forced the default app on hardware that didn't belong to them. Apple's vertical ecosystem gives them freedom to do whatever they want.
  12. paul4339, Mar 16, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2019

    paul4339 macrumors 65816

    Sep 14, 2009
    Nice reply by Apple.
    I still think it’s a publicity stunt by Spotify to bring awareness using negative ‘advertising’ (which, I guess, is fair game in business)

    I’m not sure why they need to:

    - Just continuously make your service better and promote why it’s better.. Lots of people already use Spotify because they like it better than AM.

    - they already have twice as much customers than Apple.

    - the revenue to Apple is minuscule compared to their overall revenue. They get even more revenue from leveraging the customer bases of carriers ... and they get benefit of attracting a lot of ‘free’ subscribers that pay no revenue to Apple.

    - if you want to make a complaint to the EU, sure go for it, but then following up by making statement to Variety and gripe on blog? What are they trying to achieve? Sympathy thru negative ad campaigning about how bad Apple is?

    Maybe I’m wrong, but it sure appears like just a big gripe.

  13. AngerDanger macrumors 601


    Dec 9, 2008
    I initially read that as "war of worlds" and thought MacRumors was starting to add snark to their articles. I can still only dream…
  14. pika2000 macrumors 603

    Jun 22, 2007
    Spotify realizes that they don’t really have a sustaining business model. They cut their supply (artists & labels) first by paying them less. They cannot increase their prices due to competition, so next is to cut anything that’s costing them more, which is whatever fees they need to pay.

    Apple already showed the facts and inconsistencies of Spotify’s complaints, and now Spotify responded simply by saying “nu uh” and calling Apple names without providing any counter evidence to support their original complaint. Sounded like a child.
  15. mrex macrumors 68040


    Jul 16, 2014
    sometimes i real wish that big developers pull their app from appstore - especially after comments like this.
  16. tasset macrumors 6502a

    May 22, 2007
    Someone square this circle for me; when a retailer offers iTunes gift cards at a 15-20% discount, which is often the case in the US at least during many holidays, who is actually eating the discount? Is it Apple or is it the retailer? I have always assumed it’s a marketing promotion by Apple as retailers have such small margins already.
    So in this case, if Apple were to cut subscription fees for services like Spotify to 10% or less, would Apple actually be losing money then? I have a feeling Apple wouldn’t allow gift card purchases for subscriptions much longer if that’s the case.
  17. Bornee35 macrumors 6502


    May 6, 2013
    They should. They will quickly realize that 70% of the profit is better than 100% of nothing.
  18. solodogg macrumors 6502

    Oct 28, 2011
    Funny how this complaint wasn’t filed in the US...
  19. SigurTom macrumors member


    Sep 23, 2015
    sometimes i real wish that app store owners pull bitchy apps from their platform - especially after comments like this.
  20. Ishayu macrumors regular


    Jan 18, 2012
    They are angry that Apple considers iOS users their customers?

    That's really stupid. A user that uses an iPhone to go on the App Store to download Spotify is an Apple AND a Spotify customer simultaneously.

    The heart of the issue is whether or not Apple is using its position to make it more difficult for Spotify to get customers. That's it.
    --- Post Merged, Mar 16, 2019 ---
    Spotify is a Swedish company, so it really is not that funny or weird.
  21. gnipgnop macrumors 65816

    Feb 18, 2009
    "This is evident in Apple's belief that Spotify's users on iOS are Apple customers and not Spotify customers, which goes to the very heart of the issue with Apple."

    I'm surprised Spotify's lawyers would allow this type of statement, since the "not Spotify customers" part doesn't appear in Apple's response. Apple does say that it connects Spotify to "our users", but that doesn't actually contain the meaning that Spotify wants it to.
  22. bladerunner2000 macrumors 68020


    Jun 12, 2015
    Reading the comments here sounds like many of you would also defend Microsoft in the 90s.

  23. Bornee35 macrumors 6502


    May 6, 2013
    Microsoft only supplied the software. Monopolizing third party hardware is against the rules. Controlling your own platform is not.
  24. ConceptuallyUgly macrumors newbie


    Mar 16, 2019
    Indeed Im maybe to lazy but that kind of actions make me feel like leaving Spotify - including part how big cash they take and how little they pay to artists.

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