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In fact, that is not true for Spotlight Suggestions, unless you have activated the obscure option "Show location icon in menu bar when System Services request your location" which is well hidden in the "Details" under Security&Privacy/Privacy/System Services and is turned off by default.

Thanks for the heads up on that one. You weren't kidding, they did bury that down there good. Guess they can claim that they give us the option to see, although 98% of users will never know where that setting is. (edit: was NOT on by default for me. just turned it on).
 
Try to sign-in with your Gmail account and search "Pizza" in Google Chrome. It gives me the exactly feedback of locations of Pizza houses around me in my case.

Spotlight IS a web app when it starts to provide search suggestions. You can turn it off though.

Yes you can, by installing the Google Search Box system extension.

Can you verify what Google does ?

I’m sorry, but what point are you trying to make?

I only brought up the comparison with Google because you know that you’re using Google when you search for something using… Google. That’s the whole point of a web search engine. I don’t care about what Google or Bing or Yahoo! Search do, because I am not using their services or products. It’s not even the gist of my argument.

With Spotlight you don’t necessarily know that you’re in fact also doing a web search now, this is a new feature of Yosemite. As soon as you upgrade, Spotlight will be connected to the Internet too and transmit your queries and location data by default. You can only prevent this is you disable those features yourself, but you have to know about them.

Whenever your location data is accessed, an arrow will appear on the menubar, and it will stay there for at least 30 seconds or longer. If you have Yosemite installed and you'll know that.

Try not to criticize something you've never tried.

That was not the case for me. The arrow only seems to appear if you enabled the option (see the image).

No, it's turned on by default. At least in the official Yosemite release.

It wasn’t turned on for me either, so I’m not sure whether that is related to upgrades versus clean installs.
 

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Still doesn't work here. Not even through VPN to the US.

Do I really have to be on US soil to use Wikipedia through Spotlight? :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the heads up on that one. You weren't kidding, they did bury that down there good. Guess they can claim that they give us the option to see, although 98% of users will never know where that setting is.

Location notification icon is TURNED-ON by default, at least in the official Yosemite release.

Try not to criticize something you've never tried.
 
Well, I guess I must have been dreaming then when I turned it on an hour ago on my cleanly installed Yosemite ...

And I've just installed Yosemite two hours ago and I SAW the location icon there before I touch anything. The default widgets in new notification center will access your location.
 
And I've just installed Yosemite two hours ago and I SAW the location icon there before I touch anything. The default widgets in new notification center will access your location.

This only works for applications/widgets, but not System Services to which Spotlight belongs. Why do you try to refute this? Several people have now stated that the arrow is disabled by default for System Services, which means that you won’t get any visual feedback if you use Spotlight.

I’ve just tried using Spotlight with and without the arrow disabled. When it’s enabled it shows clearly that Spotlight has accessed your location, but not if it’s disabled (which it is by default).
 
I don't care that it gets uploaded to Apple, but the part that bugs me is the fact that Bing has to be involved.
 
Well, I guess I must have been dreaming then when I turned it on an hour ago on my cleanly installed Yosemite ...

It was turned off for me as well. I just turned it on... And having not even participated in your guys discussion other than to thank you for pointing out where that setting was... i'm not sure why ulyssesric had to attack me.
 
As far as I am concerned...

APPLE:
- You can opt out sending info to Apple
- Only minimum data are sent to Apple
- Even then, people still complain

GOOGLE:
- You can't and certainly won't have the option to opt out, your info belongs to Google
- Everything from exact location, IP addresses and what your wife is wearing is collected without discrimination by Google
- Even then, people is praising Google
 
That was not the case for me. The arrow only seems to appear if you enabled the option (see the image).
It wasn’t turned on for me either, so I’m not sure whether that is related to upgrades versus clean installs.

I've installed Yosemite on two machines, one iMac 2010 (clean install) and one MacBook Pro Retina 2013 (upgrade), the settings are turned-on on both machines the first time I opened the preference panel. I don't know whether it has anything to do with iCloud settings though.
 
As far as I am concerned...

APPLE:
- You can opt out sending info to Apple
- Only minimum data are sent to Apple
- Even then, people still complain

GOOGLE:
- You can't and certainly won't have the option to opt out, your info belongs to Google
- Everything from exact location, IP addresses and what your wife is wearing is collected without discrimination by Google
- Even then, people is praising Google

I really wish i could completely rid myself of google. But i haven't been able to find anything else that gives me consistent results. And i still remember when Yahoo was the dominant search engine... and the first time someone told me to try this new site called "google".
 
I really wish i could completely rid myself of google. But i haven't been able to find anything else that gives me consistent results. And i still remember when Yahoo was the dominant search engine... and the first time someone told me to try this new site called "google".

Google is always a trade-off. It’s just that good because it collects so much data. They only know what is relevant because of user and advertiser input. If you’re not willing to accept less than stellar search results, then Google is unavoidable.
 
well im not getting any spotlight suggetions, nor bing web searches nor wikipedia.... i need to be on american soil for this to work properly??? Damn you apple this feature is what i was waiting for.... >.<
 
note! In case you guys want to disable spotlight location...

1)go to system preference
2) go to spotlight...unclick spotlight box
3) go back to system preference
4) go to security and privacy
5) go to privacy section
6) click detail on the side of system service
7) unclick spotlight suggestion

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you should be arrested for public nude.
 
Still, for all their pomp about privacy lately, they do show a similar behaviour like many others, i.e., enabling features by default, being a little obscure about those features and making the solution easy to overlook. It doesn’t matter to me so much whether Apple is in the business of collecting data or not, but once they do start procuring personal data, they should be frank about it and offer an easy and comprehensible way to opt out.

Of course, the solution is pretty straightforward once you know that Spotlight does this. You just have to uncheck two options in Spotlight preferences. But on the other hand the term ‘Spotlight Suggestions’ isn’t very precise so you need to inform yourself a bit more (which doesn’t seem like a very good practice from a privacy standpoint). Where does Apple inform you about it? In a piece of text under Spotlight preferences, hidden under a separate button.

In addition, Spotlight also transmits your location data whenever you search. To disable this, you actually have to look very carefully: it is within the privacy settings (System Preferences), under location services. There you have to scroll down to an item ‘System Services’ that has a separate but equally obscure button ‘Details…’. Only there can you prevent Spotlight from transmitting your location data.

You are missing some details. Even if the service is enabled your location is anonamised. Unique ID's are only kept for 15 minute blocks. They have no purpose to collect this info other than to make a better product. They are not building a profiles on you. This is the EXACT opposite of google/facebook/twitter.
 
You are missing some details. Even if the service is enabled your location is anonamised. Unique ID's are only kept for 15 minute blocks. They have no purpose to collect this info other than to make a better product. They are not building a profiles on you. This is the EXACT opposite of google/facebook/twitter.

I don’t really care about what Apple claims, I don’t want to hand over data when I don’t get anything from it. As I said earlier, Spotlight doesn’t give me suggestions (it only seems to work in certain countries) so I don’t see the point of giving them any location data or search queries when it could just as good stay on my computer. Privacy policies, like terms and conditions, are notoriously prone to loopholes and construction and they can be changed at any time, not to mention that we can’t actually verify what Apple, or anyone else, does with the data. Not handing over data is the best protection, especially if you are not getting anything out of it.
 
The headline is wrong.

"Spotlight Suggestions Sends Minimum Amount of Data to Apple, Exact Location and IP Addresses Not Collected".

Per Apple's statement
When you use Spotlight, your search queries, the Spotlight Suggestions you select, and related usage data will be sent to Apple. ... Searches for common words and phrases will be forwarded from Apple to Microsoft's Bing search engine.

The IP address is not passed on to Bing (Microsoft), Apple relays your query for you. Obviously Apple will know your IP address if they're receiving information from you, and have to keep track of that address in order to send your results back. This also means they are free to datamine your requests on their way to Bing.

Also, even if your exact location is not sent as part of your query, they can narrow it down as far as they really need to by your IP address (not enough people actually use proxys to effect the marketability of the results), and let's not forget your Mac you are doing your searches from is also being used to check your iCloud email account, which has your verified legal address on it likely.
 
I don't even have to worry about this, because for some reason this don't work in Sweden.

What was apple thinking. It is not like we don't have internet here in Sweden and people still most of the time use the US version of Wikipedia anyway.

Same with the Maps integration, why doesn't that work in Spotlight. So stupid
 
I don't even have to worry about this, because for some reason this don't work in Sweden.

What was apple thinking. It is not like we don't have internet here in Sweden and people still most of the time use the US version of Wikipedia anyway.

Same with the Maps integration, why doesn't that work in Spotlight. So stupid

You are still transmitting the data though, so be sure to disable the settings if you want to prevent that.
 
You are still transmitting the data though, so be sure to disable the settings if you want to prevent that.

Yeah, this cannot be stressed enough. Your info is being sent needlessly and the result is a slower Spotlight with a tendency of crashing.
 
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