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Flying Llama said:
It's true that Spotlight is nicely integrated, makes a much better filesystem index than quicksilver and much more, I just "cataloqued" (as they call it) my applications folder and a few others, simply for quick file launching. But spotlight is much better at finding files.

I like Spotlight... Good job Apple! :)
About cataloguing your apps folder - i find some apps really hate being put into another folder - dictionary for one. The key combo for dictioary didn't seem to work until I put it back into the apps folder direct.
 
I will tell you why

I don't need the thing. It is a cute concept but at the moment it lacks the refinements I expect of any application. I can't tweek how it works. I can't easily opt in or opt out drives or folders from the indexing process. I can't restrict it to any metadata subset should I not want to see the whole load. I hate the way it starts producing results before I am finished entering my query. In spite of what is said in the scant documentation, it won't search for phrases only - it just finds files where all the words in a phrase happen to reside - crap. Since finder find is now a Stoplight slave, I can no longer reliably find files based upon data ranges or file size. I can no longer use it to find hidden files or files in my System folder. Basically I think it is a toy. If they would let me restrict it to just music files say, or photos, then I might use it.

I have used Tiger Cache Cleaner to disable the thing - GUI, switchable, and elegant.

I have installed Path Finder as a very sophisticated replacement for Apple Finder and now I have a system I can work with again.
 
terryhutchinson said:
I don't need the thing. It is a cute concept but at the moment it lacks the refinements I expect of any application. I can't tweek how it works. I can't easily opt in or opt out drives or folders from the indexing process.

Drag anything you want opted out into the Privacy area.

I can't restrict it to any metadata subset should I not want to see the whole load.

Metadata subset? If you're talking about filetype, yes you can, using the "kind:" modifier.

I hate the way it starts producing results before I am finished entering my query. In spite of what is said in the scant documentation, it won't search for phrases only - it just finds files where all the words in a phrase happen to reside - crap.

Phrases only? If you mean exact phrases, yes it can. Use quotation marks.

Since finder find is now a Stoplight slave, I can no longer reliably find files based upon data ranges or file size.

Uh, clicking the plus signs in Finder allows me to add any kinds of range conditions, including file size.

I can no longer use it to find hidden files or files in my System folder. Basically I think it is a toy. If they would let me restrict it to just music files say, or photos, then I might use it.

Use "kind:music" or "kind:images" query modifiers.

I don't get you guys who disable Spotlight. I don't care how "organized" you think you've got your Macs. I have my filesystem well organized as well, a 200GB monster collection of data. I use Spotlight religiously because it's simply faster to type in what you're wanting to get instead of clicking through to get it. Instead of going to what you want, it's like you call it and it comes to you.

There's no way I'm going to go through a fishing expedition of my 2000GB file heirarchy to find a simple image I want to view. You think I'm going to click through a vast heirarchy of my photos directory, going through date, and so on, or am I just going to type the name in the Spotlight field and get it instantly? Come on.

You guys should have given Spotlight a chance. If you're concerned about resource usage, it really takes up no more than the normal indexing service that Panther had, except that Spotlight also happens to index metadata. Whiners!
 
terryhutchinson said:
I don't need the thing. It is a cute concept but at the moment it lacks the refinements I expect of any application. I can't tweek how it works. I can't easily opt in or opt out drives or folders from the indexing process. I can't restrict it to any metadata subset should I not want to see the whole load. I hate the way it starts producing results before I am finished entering my query. In spite of what is said in the scant documentation, it won't search for phrases only - it just finds files where all the words in a phrase happen to reside - crap. Since finder find is now a Stoplight slave, I can no longer reliably find files based upon data ranges or file size. I can no longer use it to find hidden files or files in my System folder. Basically I think it is a toy. If they would let me restrict it to just music files say, or photos, then I might use it.

I have used Tiger Cache Cleaner to disable the thing - GUI, switchable, and elegant.

I have installed Path Finder as a very sophisticated replacement for Apple Finder and now I have a system I can work with again.
I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong in almost every point!
Want to search only music? do "kind:song".
Easily opt out files and folders? spotlight preferences - privacy tabs - add button (or drag a folder or file or drive into the list).
Wanna search for a phrase? try putting " " marks around it
In the finder you can do a + button and specify a size (greater less than etc - see attachment)
Sorry you didn't take a bit of time to learn these simple methods.
 

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Phrases don't work as advertised. Try it.

In the state it is in currently in, it is junk.

Try finding a hidden file, or something in your system folder. Junk.
 
terryhutchinson said:
Phrases don't work as advertised. Try it.

Just did. Works correctly.

In the state it is in currently in, it is junk.

No, it works just fine. I just tried it.

Try finding a hidden file, or something in your system folder. Junk.

It's "junk" because you can't get it to find hidden files? Are you for real? Hidden files aren't indexed because they're...hidden.

There are ways to index hidden and System folders anyway. But like I said, it seems you're more interested in whining and calling it "junk" because you didn't spend the time to learn to use it.

Heck, if you whiners want, here's a way to enter raw query strings in the Finder, allowing you to do things like nested and boolean logic to find precisely what you're looking for. And, of course, you can save the query as a Smart Folder and everything.

From Apple's own documentation:

Spotlight Query Programming

Query Expression Syntax
 
terryhutchinson said:
Phrases don't work as advertised. Try it.

In the state it is in currently in, it is junk.

Try finding a hidden file, or something in your system folder. Junk.
So out of all the things i suggested, only 1 didn't work for you? haha, you're funny!
Why would you want to find things in the system folder? Gonna edit/use them all the time? I can't see a use for indexing the system folder, for one thing it would take a LONG time!
So apart from system folder not being indexed and phrases being flakey sometimes, you cam actually do EVERYTHING else you said that previously you couldn't do! (Like file sizes, types of documents etc). How is it still a toy?

I can go though 1 TB of photos if I want to and find all the ones I took at 70mm with a certain camera, between certain dates if I want! - Then save as a smart folder and if someone gives me a bunch more files that meet the criteria they will appear automatically. All built into spotlight. Toy I don't think!
 
James Philp said:
About cataloguing your apps folder - i find some apps really hate being put into another folder - dictionary for one. The key combo for dictioary didn't seem to work until I put it back into the apps folder direct.

oog....I've found out the hard way about this many times, most of the bundled apple apps do not like being moved around.... :eek:
 
It really sounds like you...

... haven't quite given this thing a chance. I could be wrong, and you can feel free to ignore me. I'm quite used to it :)

Quite a few of the things you're asking for have been integrated into Spotlight, but either you haven't found them, or they aren't 'easy' enough.

I can't tweek how it works.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but you can add 'spotlight comments' to any file by simply going to 'get info.' That way, you can add words or phrases which effectively 'tweak how it works.' In fact, you can pretty easily add an Automator script that does this for you to the context menu in Finder.

I can't easily opt in or opt out drives or folders from the indexing process.
Again, maybe this isn't 'easy' enough, which I assume means the least-number-of-clicks, but you can add folders or drives to the Privacy tab in the Spotlight control panel. This can probably also be done in an Automator action.

I can't restrict it to any metadata subset should I not want to see the whole load.
Actually, you can use the kind: or date: keywords. You can also choose "Other..." when creating a Smart Folder. Go to Apple's Spotlight Tips page and you get pretty useful information on how all this stuff works.

I hate the way it starts producing results before I am finished entering my query.
Here I can't help you, because that's a Jobs-ian feature of Spotlight, and it's very like him to not include an on/off switch for that. But I'm sure many Apple programmers would tell you that there's no point in having "instant" results if they aren't instantly updating.

In spite of what is said in the scant documentation, it won't search for phrases only - it just finds files where all the words in a phrase happen to reside - crap.
I believe much like a regular search engine, you can use quotation marks to denote a phrase. But it sounds like you've tried this and it didn't work right for you, and that is odd. It does work for me, so something on your system seems a bit glitchy.

Since finder find is now a Stoplight slave, I can no longer reliably find files based upon data ranges or file size. I can no longer use it to find hidden files or files in my System folder.
I'm sure there is a way to restore that behavior. Many people prefer that they don't get random UNIX /etc or Library files when they run arbitrary searches - you're not one of them. You've found a suitable tool for finding them when you know where you're looking, though, so good on 'ya. Another great tool for that is "find" in the shell of your choice.

Basically I think it is a toy. If they would let me restrict it to just music files say, or photos, then I might use it.
Weren't you just complaining that the searches weren't robust enough to include the system folders? :D Sorry, cheap shot.

At any rate, sounds to me like you found a tool you're going to stick with anyway, which is great. I just thought I'd add this in case you didn't know some of the features you wanted... exist.

-rand()
 
And for all those that said "My Mac is perfectly organised and I can find anything I want" I pose this question?
What is faster:
1. Opening a finder window and then navigating to the folder or file you want
2. Spotlight (key combo) - type in name of file/folder and open the one you want
?
9 times from 10 it will be #2.
 
spotlight... is like... a big reason for os x tiger's existance.. y would u disable it... :confused:
 
terryhutchinson said:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@283.0aPwaK2dRiD.242402@.68b01fc4

A utility must be trusted to produce predictable results. For now, in my book, Spotlight is still a toy.
Search for the apple widgets a lot do you? hard to find in your perfect folder system? Try /Library/widgets - wow!

This is pretty lowly evidence for the "Toyness" of spotlight if ever I saw it!
The ability to search Focal Length in pictures and email from any application outweighs this 1000/1
I know about the apple widgets, and I know where they live - so why do i need to search? anyways i can always just type in "widget" - 2 more letters - damn!
I don't get why people wanna search in the system and library folders!? If you know what you're doing then fine - and you will know how to navigate, but if you're an end-user (like 90% of people) you want spotlight to find YOUR stuff, not a bunch of random files in the system!
Meh
 
It may work well for you as a retrieve tool for your photo collection. But it is not an adequate replacement for 10.3 Finder Find. A shame Apple tried to force it into a roll for which it was not ready.

Interesting that you chose a sheep for your avatar.
 
terryhutchinson said:
It may work well for you as a retrieve tool for your photo collection. But it is not an adequate replacement for 10.3 Finder Find. A shame Apple tried to force it into a roll for which it was not ready.

Interesting that you chose a sheep for your avatar.
you may notice it's a black sheep :p
What exactly is spotlight missing that the old finder system had?
 
terryhutchinson said:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@283.0aPwaK2dRiD.242402@.68b01fc4

A utility must be trusted to produce predictable results. For now, in my book, Spotlight is still a toy.

I just did a search for "wdgt", which brought up my widgets. Every time you claim something, I try it on my iBook and Mac mini, and it works fine. It's beginning to make me wonder about you. I notice searching for "widget" also works, which makes the most sense since that's what people would search for. More and more, Spotlight proves just how smart it is.

It may work well for you as a retrieve tool for your photo collection. But it is not an adequate replacement for 10.3 Finder Find. A shame Apple tried to force it into a roll for which it was not ready.

Interesting that you chose a sheep for your avatar.

It sounds like you're upset that 100% of every one of your criticisms has been shot down. It's one thing to simply not like Spotlight, but you've been stating falsehoods to criticize it. From claiming you can't search by kind, to crying that it can't search your System and hidden files, all of these have been responded to with info on how to do it. Your only response is to lamely mock someone's avatar.

Apparently, you're unable to figure out how to use this "toy." Fine, disable it and let the big boys use it.
 
At this stage I feel the need to to do 2 things:
Re-iterate this thread:
What is faster:
1. Opening a finder window and then navigating to the folder or file you want
2. Spotlight (key combo) - type in name of file/folder and open the one you want
?
9 times from 10 it will be #2.

And to state this:
The wdgt problem was to do with extensions of files being hidden to users that didn't "own" the file (widget) right?
What if you put in "pdf" and you get EVERY USER's pdf documents in the results- slightly annoying no?

And one more thing...
What can you not do in spotlight that you can't in finder?
 
terry you're very patronising and aggresive.

maybe we'd take your points more seriously if you didn't act in such a way.

Many people are loving Spotlight, me included, and it does everything I want it to. I've kept Private the things I don't want indexing and I've not had a single problem finding what I want.

Sorry it's not worked out for you but that's no reason to come on here and belittle the people that are using it effectively.
 
James Philp said:
And to state this:
The wdgt problem was to do with extensions of files being hidden to users that didn't "own" the file (widget) right?
What if you put in "pdf" and you get EVERY USER's pdf documents in the results- slightly annoying no?

I guess basic security features are "inconsistent." Yet another criticism debunked.
 
One of the most annoying things about spotlight is how it breaks Apple's Human Interface Guidelines. It states quite clearly that the user interface should not be moving around but that is what it does when you do a search. More often than not I press the down arrow button to select the Top Hit and a new Top Hit emerges and takes its place. This is _not_ good behaviour and something that Microsoft would implement not Apple.

Oh well, we can probably never have it as fast as iTunes so I guess I will have to deal.
 
mj_1903 said:
More often than not I press the down arrow button to select the Top Hit and a new Top Hit emerges and takes its place. This is _not_ good behaviour and something that Microsoft would implement not Apple.
Waiting 1 second more too much eh?
I don't think MS could have come up with spotlight in another, oh shall we say, 8 years!
 
I tried the disabling but the whole search system seems to be disabled which isnt ideal so i just re-enabled it but removed the icon still. Much better IMO
 
I never thought I'd use Spotlight either...

...but it's so much damn easier than Finder, even if you know exactly where the file is.

As long as you know the file name (which I almost always do), then finding the file takes a lot less time by typing in a few letters into Spotlight and bypassing the Finder altogether.
 
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