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Sprint just lost over 10% of it's value today on the Street due to this leaked story whether true or not.

If story is true, this means that Hesse's bet may not be that good.

If story is false, then the WSJ has a lot of explaining to do costing Sprint 10% of it's value in one day.

Wall Street always sells early on earth-shattering news. Buys come later once everyone digests it.
 
Sprint just lost over 10% of it's value today on the Street due to this leaked story whether true or not.

If story is true, this means that Hesse's bet may not be that good.

If story is false, then the WSJ has a lot of explaining to do costing Sprint 10% of it's value in one day.

Yeap. Sprint is down 10%. AAPL to follow.
 
I don't see Apple doing exclusivity again, they needed to in the beginning, but not anymore...
 
Sprint would be the 2011 version of the 2007 AT&T.

Imagine if last year Apple came out and said the iPhone 4 was Verizon exclusive.
 
I would like to point out the fact that there is no mention of an exclusivity agreement or exclusive anything!!!

The $20B contract doesn't need to mention any exclusivity. There's no one else but Sprint who can or wants to sell a wimax capable iPhone. The product becomes exclusive by default.

There is no other option for Apple, since the world+LTE chips aren't ready for volume production yet.
 
Cingular hasn't existed since like 2003 and no the first guy was more correct on why ATT went first, but what u said is true too

Apple actually signed an exclusivity agreement with Cingular. Soon after MacWorld 2007, Cingular announced that, due to SBC's acquisition of AT&T, they would also be rebranding as AT&T. As a result, the iPhone launched on AT&T.
 
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How is this a gamble on Apple's part? They made $20 billion doing absolutely nothing and, likely, giving up absolutely nothing.

Even if Sprint gets an "exclusive" iP5 you can bet your bottom dollar that "exclusivity" runs out the second the LTE chipsets are expected to be ready for the iP5 on AT&T and Verizon.

It's a gamble because they will be re-tooling factories (and their own intellect) to build an iPhone that runs on only 1 network in the world (a very big investment), a network that is used by a company that is a couple missteps away from bankruptcy. Apple stands to lose a handful of its cash if Sprint goes down in about 6-12 months.
 
Cingular hasn't existed since like 2003 and no the first guy was more correct on why ATT went first, but what u said is true too


Yeah, huh? :rolleyes:

January 9, 2007:

Once again, Apple CEO Steve Jobs wowed the crowds like no one else can. In his 9 am keynote at MacWorld in San Francisco this morning, Jobs announced the new iPhone cell phone. From the description in appears to be a game changing device, and the public markets seem to agree. As of the time of this writing, Apple stock is up over 7% for the day. Competitor Research in Motion (Blackberry) is down over 6%, wiping $2 billion dollars in market cap off the table. Palm, maker of the Treo, is also down, nearly 6%.

The iPhone is an impressive, and expensive, device. It comes in 4 GB and 8 GB models and costs $499 and $599, respectively. It includes a 3.5 inch touchscreen with a virtual keyboard, a 2 megapixel camera, is WIFI enabled and runs OSX. Cingular is the carrier.

Apple's own press release:

iPhone is a quad-band GSM phone which also features EDGE and Wi-Fi wireless technologies for data networking. Apple has chosen Cingular, the best and most popular carrier in the US with over 58 million subscribers, to be Apple’s exclusive carrier partner for iPhone in the US.
 
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GorgonPhone said:
But we still dont know if there will be an iphone5 at all right?????

There WILL be a redesigned iPhone 5 tomorrow. Period. :)
 
Sprint just lost over 10% of it's value today on the Street due to this leaked story whether true or not.

If story is true, this means that Hesse's bet may not be that good.

If story is false, then the WSJ has a lot of explaining to do costing Sprint 10% of it's value in one day.
If true, it doesn't mean that Hesse's bet is not good. It just means that investors are worried IF it's good. Stocks drop when the perceived risk increases, and when you bet the farm, perceived risk always goes up. But increased risk usually also means increased benefits if successful. As far as I'm concerned, betting the farm on Apple is the safest way to bet the farm.
 
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There WILL be a redesigned iPhone 5 tomorrow. Period. :)

thanks... i just hope it has a bigger screen..
 
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GorgonPhone said:
But we still dont know if there will be an iphone5 at all right?????

So um have we decided if there will be an iphone 5 shown tomorrow ?? this new silly sprint BS discussion is a BS distraction..

Yes my friend. There will be an iPhone 5 tomorrow.
 
Sprint has very competitive prices. I could see them winning some new customers if they announce tomorrow that they will pay people ETFs to change. I would consider it. AT&T is just not cutting it for me.

As for someone buying Sprint, I hope we see a non-traditional buyer. Someone like Apple, Google, or Microsoft.

I think it almost would have to be a non-traditional buyer. No carrier out there wants to support Sprint's legacy and incompatible networks. The only thing Sprint has of value is their spectrum and subscribers. The value of these currently doesn't equal the losses Sprint is generating I don't see Apple as a buyer, as Sprint doesn't offer enough to offset relationship issues with the other large carriers who currently buy their product.

Regarding Sprint's competitive pricing, there is no way it can continue to charge low rates for unlimited plans with the debt structure and losses this deal will incur. They are already operating at a loss. This deal increases those losses at least until 2014. At some point they have to cover their debt, invest in LTE, etc. Can't do that without an increase in cash flow. Not going to steal millions of subscribers from AT&T or Verizon in the short term (may steal a few who were already looking over the fence, but not tens of millions of subscribers). So what is there ONLY remaining option. Raise revenue by raising rates.
 
I would call it a marketing blunder to give the long-anticipated 5 to a new to the party carrier that spent three years doing all it could to slam the iPhone in its advertising and at the same time pissing all over the installed base. I am looking to upgrade as are a lot of 3Gs users and would be pretty angry if the new phone was available only through Sprint. I think Verizon and ATT might also have something to say about that decision. It would rear-end the team that has been on side since day one and for the last year by encouraging users to change companies to get the new hardware. I just don't see Apple sticking its foot into that kind of a trap. It would make more sense to offer all products through all carriers at the same time, allowing Sprint to make a big deal out of its network's attributes (mainly, no users so lots of bandwidth).

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It just occurred to me that we are all missing the possibility that Sprint may have leaked this rumor in order to build Sprint-specific buzz going into the media event tomorrow.
 
It's a gamble because they will be re-tooling factories (and their own intellect) to build an iPhone that runs on only 1 network in the world (a very big investment), a network that is used by a company that is a couple missteps away from bankruptcy. Apple stands to lose a handful of its cash if Sprint goes down in about 6-12 months.

Re-tooling factories? Where are you getting this from? It's just a matter of replacing a chip. They did it before for Verizon without "re-tooling factories". Apple doesn't stand to lose anything if Sprint goes down. Unless you really believe that AT&T and Verizon are going to pout and refuse to sell the iPhone because they didn't get to sell it at the same time as Sprint.
 
why hasn't anyone tried getting in touch with Sprint or Apple about this yet? And what is the WSJ's source for this information?


- Joe
 
Stop thinking logically.

Look at this from Apple's Perspective:

SPRINT: We want you to build a WiMAX 4G iPhone 5 for our network.

APPLE: We don't think there's any money in that.

SPRINT: We'll pay you, up front, for all of the phones. Let us worry about how to sell them.

APPLE: Deal.

SPRINT: By the way, our WiMAX chips are available now and fit your requirements for power consumption. Can we get the iP5 now?

APPLE: Make it $20 Billion, in that case.



Sprint: We'll pay you up front, for all of the phones. Let us worry about how to sell them.

Apple: No, they are OUR phones and OUR technology. Only companies like "Google" let's manufacturers and carriers take control of their Android phones. We don't go down that road....quality from the top down is our motto. Way too much fragmentation if WE don't get to control EVERYTHING...INCLUDING HOW TO SELL THEM LIKE PAYING OUR OWN MARKETING AGENCIES TO MAKE COMMERCIALS FOR OUR DEVICES.
 
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