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For those still curious about the Crucial M4 and and TRIM, I've had good luck without it. Six months, quite a few TBs written/erased, and absolutely zero slow downs on both benchmark and real world testing.

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15563846#post15563846


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Can anyone explain the disparity between certain SSDs' read and write speeds?

My m4 reads at 520/s but write is 261, as shown in the attachment.

Read and write speeds are really independent of each other in the sense that a high read or high write speed doesn't guarantee the other. The Crucial doesn't look nearly as good on paper as many of the other SATA 6.0 SSDs but the real world difference is far less than these statistical benchmark tests leads you to think. Most SSDs each offer their own pros and cons, and most SSDs are far faster than whatever the system bottleneck is, whether it be the other hardware, software, or the user him/herself. The Crucial excels in incompressible sequential data, garbage collection, and reliability/customer satisfaction, where as the SandForce is a beast with compressible data, not such a beast with incompressible data, and is built with the assumption that most of your work will be compressible data (which is usually the case). The Crucial also uses synchronous memory, where as not all other drives are, which gives it a boost in real world work performance there. For most applications, no one can tell a real difference between these because they are all stupidly fast compared to the HDDs they replace. The only exception is boot time in which my Crucials are ever so slightly faster.


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does any body have experience with this SSD from crucial?

http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=082FC416A5CA7304

or can you recommend a similar priced one that ships to this side of the ocean :)

I would avoid this. As far as SSDs go, it is about as slow as can be and it is only a few bucks cheaper than the Crucial M4. I've read these are old controllers that Micron wanted to blow out and so the V4 is born. It uses the same memory as the M4, but the controller is just plain weak. IIRC it is actually slower than some of the 10k RPM HDDs.
 
Dual SSD's -- Not in a RAID configuration

I'm going to be getting a 512GB Crucial M4 SSD installed in my mid-2010 17" MBP.

Would it make sense to put my system files and Apps on a 128GB SSD drive and all other files on the 512GB SDD?

Also, would Time Machine back up both drives or would I need to use CCC for my backups?

Thanks!
 
I'm going to be getting a 512GB Crucial M4 SSD installed in my mid-2010 17" MBP.

Would it make sense to put my system files and Apps on a 128GB SSD drive and all other files on the 512GB SDD?

Also, would Time Machine back up both drives or would I need to use CCC for my backups?

Thanks!

I had dual drives (ssd / hdd) on my 2008 mbp and TM backed them up fine.

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I've tried to slim down my MBP hdd contents by spanning stuff to externals but I just can't get below 500 GB. So my questions are:

Are larger SSDs round the corner? We seem to have been stuck at 500 for a while.

What would be the impact of dual SSDs on battery life?
 
Ssd raid ?

Nobody has tried a RAID 0 SSD volume?

Ok, here's another weird observation. I upgraded my Mac Pro boot drive from an Intel 320 160 GB to an M4 256 GB. The Intel 320 was noticably more responsive in everyday tasks. This is exactly the same volume, cloned to each drive, with root permissions fixed on both.

So apparently the Mac Pro's 3G SATA controller doesn't play well with 6G drives, some of them anyways.

Next thing I'll try is a RAID 0 volume of two Vertex 2 SSDs. That configuration worked in a 2006 Mac Pro, but I've sold that one so I'll test it again in my hacked 2009 macpro5,1 W3680 beast. I just need to find a couple of cheap Vertex 2 drives.

Is my understanding correct that SandForce drives have better garbage collection than others, and do fine without TRIM? If so that may be the best choice for a RAID volume. I'm deterimined to get speeds faster than 3G SATA on my Mac Pro without spending $800 for a RAID PCIe card. :p
 
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What do people think about OCZ Vertex Plus? My 2008 Pre-Unibody Macbook Pro is kind of on the verge of death so I don't want to put too much money into it, but this drive seems like the cheapest around. Anybody have experience with it? Thanks.

http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Vertex-Se...346648754&sr=8-16&keywords=2.5+ssd+hard+drive

The reviews on the actual link you posted seemed to be a little dismissive as people in them (except for one person who reported quicker boot times) seemed to be saying that the specs were little better than a conventional 7200 rpm HDD.
 
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Hi folks,
Just received my two Samsung 830's today which I'm going to put into Raid 0 into my new CMBP which is on route and due this week.
My question is, how can I tell what Firmware is on these drives. Can I check by the serial number. From what I believe they need to be updated in windows so I'd like to do that this week before the new machine comes so that I'm good to go.
 
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Hi folks,
Just received my two Samsung 830's today which I'm going to put into Raid 0 into my new CMBP which is on route and due this week.
My question is, how can I tell what Firmware is on these drives. Can I check by the serial number. From what I believe they need to be updated in windows so I'd like to do that this week before the new machine comes so that I'm good to go.

They should have the latest firmware already. I bought my 830 from a Newegg special ($89) a couple of weeks ago and the box looked suspiciously aged. However, the firmware was up to date which isn't surprising considering the last update from Samsung was in January.

I would go ahead and install in your new Mac and not worry about updating the F/W. I would also grab TRIM Enabler which incidentally, will display the firmware.
 
They should have the latest firmware already. I bought my 830 from a Newegg special ($89) a couple of weeks ago and the box looked suspiciously aged. However, the firmware was up to date which isn't surprising considering the last update from Samsung was in January.

I would go ahead and install in your new Mac and not worry about updating the F/W. I would also grab TRIM Enabler which incidentally, will display the firmware.

Thanks Steve,
I will use trim enabler only to check the firmware. As I'm setting them up in a Raid 0 configuration I can't enable trim on them. Handy to know that trim enabler will tell me the firmware version. Bought the drives here in Europe, I'm sure they will be up to-date.
Thanks again
Damien
 
Out of curiosity, is anyone running dual SSDs in a 2012 MBP and can comment on performance?

I am having second thoughts about replacing the ODD with a HDD (more specifically about heat affecting the surrounding area) and instead using 2 x 256GB SSD in a 13" MBP. I was going to set these up in RAID0.

EDIT: Also, will this drive work fine in the aforementioned MBP? And will I receive similiar speeds if I installed it in the ODD bay rather than the main HDD bay (I believe it's not the case for 2011, not sure about 2012)? Also will TRIM be enabled with a Samsung 830 under Mountain Lion? Sorry for all the questions!
 
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Out of curiosity, is anyone running dual SSDs in a 2012 MBP and can comment on performance?

I am having second thoughts about replacing the ODD with a HDD (more specifically about heat affecting the surrounding area) and instead using 2 x 256GB SSD in a 13" MBP. I was going to set these up in RAID0.

EDIT: Also, will this drive work fine in the aforementioned MBP? And will I receive similiar speeds if I installed it in the ODD bay rather than the main HDD bay (I believe it's not the case for 2011, not sure about 2012)? Also will TRIM be enabled with a Samsung 830 under Mountain Lion? Sorry for all the questions!


noob question to all : what does trim do ? also what is raid 0 ? I'm waiting to pull the trigger on a samsung 830 deal :(, but am here trying to prepare myself on the need to knows on ssd for macs :) . help would be appreciated ! thanks
 
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noob question to all : what does trim do ? also what is raid 0 ? I'm waiting to pull the trigger on a samsung 830 deal :(, but am here trying to prepare myself on the need to knows on ssd for macs :) . help would be appreciated ! thanks

Here you go...

TRIM wiki article.

RAID wiki article.

RAID 0 (block-level striping without parity or mirroring) has no (or zero) redundancy. It provides improved performance and additional storage but no fault tolerance. Hence simple stripe sets are normally referred to as RAID 0. Any drive failure destroys the array, and the likelihood of failure increases with more drives in the array (at a minimum, catastrophic data loss is almost twice as likely compared to single drives without RAID). A single drive failure destroys the entire array because when data is written to a RAID 0 volume, the data is broken into fragments called blocks. The number of blocks is dictated by the stripe size, which is a configuration parameter of the array. The blocks are written to their respective drives simultaneously on the same sector. This allows smaller sections of the entire chunk of data to be read off each drive in parallel, increasing bandwidth. RAID 0 does not implement error checking, so any error is uncorrectable. More drives in the array means higher bandwidth, but greater risk of data loss.
 
Guys, I have a MBP 2010, and I want to get an Apple SSD for TRIM and safety, but I was wondering whether I will get TRIM support if I get an Apple SSD pulled from 2011 or 2012 MBP?
Also are the newer 2011/2012 Toshiba SSDs are faster than the 2010 one?
 
I just saw this Agility 4 128GB for $35. The original price is $75. Since this is a new drive, there aren't many people who used it under OS X. But seeing the reviews on Newegg and Amazon (on PCs), a lot of people seems to say that their drives are DOA (3 out of 5 stars on Amazon), maybe because they did not do a firmware upgrade. Is it worth it?
 
Is my understanding correct that SandForce drives have better garbage collection than others, and do fine without TRIM? If so that may be the best choice for a RAID volume. I'm deterimined to get speeds faster than 3G SATA on my Mac Pro without spending $800 for a RAID PCIe card. :p


I've read that all over the place as well. If the SSD does garbage collection, enabling TRIM would be detrimental... "too many chefs", or in this case "too many garbage collectors"... and it should be the drive that keeps track of sector handling, not the OS...

I hate hacks, unless absolutely needed, and even if all hacks don't impede stability or impugn security, they all have to be reinstalled after Apple sends an update...

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Out of curiosity, is anyone running dual SSDs in a 2012 MBP and can comment on performance?

I've thought about it, but my older SSD would need TRIM enabled. My new 180GB SSD from Intel (Sandforce 520) wouldn't need the hack... and the optibay runs on a 3GB/s channel, not 6... so it would be slower, but the difference would be minute... never mind warranty issues if you try to remove the optical drive and break a cable... :eek:

Has there been any new responses or fixes in regards to the SATA 1 link speed bug with Intel SSD drives?

Oh no... which model?

My new drive flies, so if it's throttled to 1GB because of an "excellent design... fail", I'm not noticing it... Apple can put out the typical lazy excuse of "We don't support it, go away" as well... (but they do support Boot Camp and, amongst other things, never bothered with (amongst other issues) AHCI under 64-bit Win7, but that was an issue from 2 years ago and maybe it's changed. I absconded all my Win apps, though, apart from what's needed in a much-easier-to-maintain Parallels VM...)

Update: I did check: In "About this Mac", my early-2011 17" reports a 6 Gigabit negotiated link speed, so if there's a bug it's bound to have been patched by now. Unless you're referring to an older or newer model...

I just saw this Agility 4 128GB for $35. The original price is $75. Since this is a new drive, there aren't many people who used it under OS X. But seeing the reviews on Newegg and Amazon (on PCs), a lot of people seems to say that their drives are DOA (3 out of 5 stars on Amazon), maybe because they did not do a firmware upgrade. Is it worth it?

Original price for such a drive seems a tad low compared to the competition, so something's already fishy. Knock that down to $35 and it looks like they're trying to pass the buck onto unsuspecting customers. Something's clearly amiss. I'd avoid it and spend the extra to get a proper model (Intel's Sandforce 520 line is said to be rock solid with Macs, so I swallowed it and ponied up... so far, mine's been a dream... no TRIM hacks to do either, since the 520 has integrated garbage collection...)
 
Original price for such a drive seems a tad low compared to the competition, so something's already fishy. Knock that down to $35 and it looks like they're trying to pass the buck onto unsuspecting customers. Something's clearly amiss. I'd avoid it and spend the extra to get a proper model (Intel's Sandforce 520 line is said to be rock solid with Macs, so I swallowed it and ponied up... so far, mine's been a dream... no TRIM hacks to do either, since the 520 has integrated garbage collection...)
Oh, sorry for not mentioning that the $35 price point is after a 2x$20 rebate, and the price before rebate is $75, but out of those 2 rebates, only 1 seems to be working (the second rebate expired in August). Those people also said that you can get $20 credit if you speak with Amazon's chat, but I think that is too much of a hassle for me. Since my MacBook Pro is my day-to-day laptop, I would not risk putting such a cheap SSD inside. Thank you for your suggestion, I decided to save more money to buy a Samsung 830 :D
 
i just picked up an OCZ Vertex 4 512 GB SSD. Used an apricorn sata to usb cable, booted my mbp 8,2 using command+R, opened up disk utility, selected external SSD (usb connected via cable) and erased. then restore source (HDD) to external (SSD) which took about 3.5 hours for 280GB of data.

when finished, set startup disk to external, then cracked open the mbp and replaced HDD with SSD. started up the machine without a problem (18 seconds to login screen) and logged in. enabled TRIM and rebooted.

second startup without a problem. TRIM is enabled and mbp is reporting new drive index which it is currently doing while i type this (3 hours left on index).

SSD is running 1.5 firmware. mbp is running Mountain Lion OS 10.8.1 with 16 GB RAM.
 
sammy 830

Hello,
I just picked up a Samsung 830 128gb and installed it in my mid 2012 macbook pro. I have two questions. First, I am seeing read times around ~315 and ~470 write, are these about right or does my read time seem low? Also, my SSD's mount point is showing as "/" as opposed to "/volume/machintosh" is there something incorrect here and is it something that needs to be remedied? Thanks in advance.
 
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Mbp-rd

Guides section is pretty much dead at the moment. MBP forum is where most of the SSD questions are asked, thus I think this is the best place for it.

hi ,. i got a replacement mbp-rd there only the other day and as you know the smallest size memory on it is 512 GB ,. now thats great an all but the first mbp i had had 256GB and i bought an app called WHATSIZE ,. and it reads EVERY kb bar the IOS system drive i.e. usually (2/5GB) IN size ,.

now the first mac i had it read ALL the system ,. then i got that replaced there a few months ago and it was only reading 233GB out of the 256 GB SSD !!???!?
even when i tried to do a full restore on the system it only showed 233 GB available on the HD ???
and now on the new mbp-rd its only reading 464 GB out of the 512 ,.and in the activity monitor its showing that I AM USING 151.61GB ??? Screen Shot 2012-09-14 at 18.31.01.png i was expecting at least 5GB to be unreadable for the IOS system,...???
can you tell me if this is normal and why ?? this is happing,.. considering that im paying so much for each GB i buy ,. id like to know why its gone missing on me ,. ?
 
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