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Are you sure your arguments aren't being driven by a contempt for Yosemite?
 
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Maybe I should add, I'm not crazy about Yosemite myself, but I could deal with it, if they bothered to allow some of their own applications to run under it. The new version of iPhoto is terrible and confusing, other apps don't work as well, and of course since Snow Leopard no PPC (as in legacy) applications work at all. The "let's make incompatibility a selling point to push hardware sales" just doesn't wash with me.
 
Are you sure your arguments aren't being driven by a contempt for Yosemite?

No, all operating systems nearly always have some types of problems. Remember the problems Mountain Lion was having with a ton of USB drives? Now they're fixed, or at least I think they are.
 
No, all operating systems nearly always have some types of problems. Remember the problems Mountain Lion was having with a ton of USB drives? Now they're fixed, or at least I think they are.

I just thought I'd also add that I don't have "contempt" for Yosemite, I just think the appearance is a step backwards…well maybe ten giant steps backwards, but I can deal with it if I must. Besides that, none of us must use Yosemite. All my hardware is Mavericks compatible so Mavericks it will be for me.
 
I take it back. I tried using Yosemite for several hours tonight. Now I do have contempt for it!!!!!
 
It's amazing how Yosemite's ugly butt seems to managing it's way into every discussion on Earth. What a divisive and polarizing OS it is. It's current ratings in the App Store are terrible.
 
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Please stay on topic. If you want to complain about Yosemite there are threads in the Yosemite section to do that.
 
It's too bad people just sort of abandon these posts after making them because I believe the OP's original SSD kept developing problems and he had it replaced under warranty. I'm pretty sure he posted that in another thread somewhere but it eludes me at the moment.
 
This is correct, it did fail. From what I could tell one of the RAM chips in the SSD was marginal. It started actually getting exponentially worse. I could do one test on it with Scannerz one minute, wait an hour, redo it, and have twice as many new bad blocks.

I just contacted the manufacturer and they replaced it. The new one is fine. So far......
 
This is correct, it did fail. From what I could tell one of the RAM chips in the SSD was marginal. It started actually getting exponentially worse. I could do one test on it with Scannerz one minute, wait an hour, redo it, and have twice as many new bad blocks.

I just contacted the manufacturer and they replaced it. The new one is fine. So far......

Do you know if the clean up routines on the SSD were removing the bad blocks as they occur or shortly thereafter, or had it gotten so bad that it couldn't replace them?
 
The stuff about SSDs being rugged isn't really all that good of an argument because the rest of the computer isn't terribly rugged either. If you want ruggedized equipment, yes, you'd pick an SSD over an HD, but who in their right mind goes around tossing their laptop around like it's a baseball?

While I don't toss my computer around like a baseball, I have experienced an abnormally large amount of HDD failures due to my work environment. On the other hand, I have an OWC SSD that is about 5 years old, has been in many different computers, and is still going strong.

I just spent the last 10 years driving trucks, and the vibrations from the truck, and bumps from the road, caused every single HDD I took with me to fail in 6-12 months, no exceptions.

I now work in the concert industry, and I suspect I'll have a higher rate of HDD failures in this industry too, just not as bad as trucking.
 
While I don't toss my computer around like a baseball, I have experienced an abnormally large amount of HDD failures due to my work environment. On the other hand, I have an OWC SSD that is about 5 years old, has been in many different computers, and is still going strong.

I just spent the last 10 years driving trucks, and the vibrations from the truck, and bumps from the road, caused every single HDD I took with me to fail in 6-12 months, no exceptions.

I now work in the concert industry, and I suspect I'll have a higher rate of HDD failures in this industry too, just not as bad as trucking.

I wouldn't consider that "normal" use. Subjecting a computer to vibrations, which are basically continuous, and impacts from stuff like going over bumps is relatively out of the ordinary for most people. People using a desktop would never encounter that, except during an accident, like knocking the unit over, and most laptops are only moved in transit, and they're often turned off or sleeping in such cases.

However, your point does clearly expose one of the problems with mechanical drives, which is that they're just not as tough as solid state, and I doubt they ever will be. Maybe they'll do something to make them tougher.

I never thought I'd see a mechanical HD that was spitting out data with media to system data rates at SATA speeds, but that's beginning to happen, at least with Hitachi. People in the world of mechanical drives are, i assume, in a fight for their lives right now and they know it, and they have to innovate. I don't see a mechanical HD ever equalling an SSD in speed but if they can approach or achieve SATA speeds and offer the size and cost advantage, it's a tempting deal for a lot of people.

$50 for a 500GB drive is tough to beat, provided you're not working in an "unusual" environment.
 
Since this thread is about SSD problems I think this might be the appropriate place to put this tech-note from Apple about some SSD problems:

https://www.apple.com/support/macbookair-flashdrive/


Anyone know what the symptoms are???

The only sure way to tell if yours is part of that program is to run that utility Apple provided there and it will tell you.

But what was happening with those was everything would be running along just fine, then all of a sudden BAM... dead drive and no boot.
 
That would be quite a surprise. Wasn't that same thing happening with some OCZ a while back?
 
Was the fix a firmware update, controller replacement, or memory chip replacement. It would seem to me that memory replacement would be least likely.
 
A neighbor has a fairly new iMac with an Apple Fusion drive in it. I just found out that during a wind storm recently the power went out and when it came back on the entire SSD portion of the Fusion Drive had basically reset itself to no data.

This is the first time I ever heard of that problem from an actual user. Anyone know if it's common?
 
A neighbor has a fairly new iMac with an Apple Fusion drive in it. I just found out that during a wind storm recently the power went out and when it came back on the entire SSD portion of the Fusion Drive had basically reset itself to no data.

This is the first time I ever heard of that problem from an actual user. Anyone know if it's common?

I don't think so but I have heard of it happening.
 
A neighbor has a fairly new iMac with an Apple Fusion drive in it. I just found out that during a wind storm recently the power went out and when it came back on the entire SSD portion of the Fusion Drive had basically reset itself to no data.

This is the first time I ever heard of that problem from an actual user. Anyone know if it's common?

Actually I think it was indirectly mentioned in another thread, but here's a link to an article that's a bit more specific about that problem:

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ing-drive-are-power-outages-killing-your-ssds
 
From the article:

"While one of the two included hard drives also developed errors, the HDDs are both far cheaper and showed no sign of the disastrous failures that characterized the SSDs."

Interesting. Very interesting.
 
Actually I think it was indirectly mentioned in another thread, but here's a link to an article that's a bit more specific about that problem:

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ing-drive-are-power-outages-killing-your-ssds

Within that link is another link to the actual tests and procedures:

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/fast13/fast13-final80.pdf

The following quote is interesting:

SSD#3 exhibited an interesting behavior after a small number (8) of tests. SSD#3 has 256 GB of flash mem- ory visible to users, which can store 62,514,774 records in our experimental setting. However, after 8 injected power faults, only 69.5% of all the records can be re- trieved from the device. In other words, 30.5% of the data (72.6 GB) was suddenly lost.

That's not very many faults but that's a crash that makes the typical hard drive crash look like child's play.
 
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