So you might have a point. Instead of moaning about it how about you give feedback to Apple how you would like to see it improved. This is what beta testers are meant to do.
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Stage Manager - What's the Big Deal?
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So you might have a point. Instead of moaning about it how about you give feedback to Apple how you would like to see it improved. This is what beta testers are meant to do.
That should not be the intended behavior for Stage Manager. As you should be able to access the desktop by clicking one on Desktop and the Window will move to side Dock.
See video for how it should work: The video starts with Craig showing how to access Desktop using Stage Manager
As this is a dev beta many things remain unfinished.
Agree with all these. Log Feedbacks (it's a toss-up between "unexpected crappy behaviour" and "feature request" so I always pick the former) and let's hope for improvements during the next few betas.
I often use the desktop as a "scratch" area for files I want to move around or open in more than one app, and dragging & dropping from the desktop into apps or folders is tricky at the moment. I've gone back to my pre-Ventura workflow of using Spaces for the time being.
Indeed the Desktop is the default ‘scratch’ area where almost all users keep the files they currently work on locally. That can’t ever change otherwise it will be case of always going into the Finder and wasting time navigating lists and columns.
I will log some feedbacks. Normally I only report application bugs and system crashes not feature problems.
There are a some other variations of these problems like this.
You have an app open. You click on an external drive to open a Finder window. The app that was open minimizes into Stage Manager, but I didn’t want it to be minimized. I wanted to drag a file from the external drive directly into the app window. With the current SM, drag and drop is still easy but requires a longer path and more animations. Maybe that’s why it is just an optional choice.
The forum is supposed to be the public moaning place 😂
If anything, I am still glad that Apple keeps the macOS true to its core via still embracing spatiality within window management, instead of implementing tiling functions, which gives a lazy and superficial look.
Desktop metaphor all the way. Now, about that Spatial Finder option that we've been waiting for years...
Desktop metaphor all the way. Now, about that Spatial Finder option that we've been waiting for years...
Apple takes more action when some popular Twitter user complains publicly than from normal feedback anyway
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To me it honestly seems like by adding the feature to macOS and iPad, they are trying to make iPadOS look more powerful.
I have not used it yet, so admittedly this is speculation... but it seems like switching between 2 or three apps while doing a single task might be easier or less jarring? I think the process of switching between a couple apps is very distracting right now when trying to do something that requires using multiple apps.
Yes you have split screen, but it seems like you could keep the "windows" larger or more appropriate for your use case with them being able to overlap.
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Microsoft was experimenting with some similar concept in late 90s. I can’t remember the name of it. It was a 3D operating system that looks like a room and the apps would minimize on a shelf with the same perspective effect that Stage Manager is using and Windows Vista Task Manager had.
In 2003 Mac OS X betas then had this Minimize In Place Effect that was minimizing app windows on to the Desktop instead of Dock. It could be enabled by the Terminal.
There were also some 3rd party apps that did these ugly effects in Windows years ago
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Stage Manager on macOS is yet another example of having to adopt conventions developed for iOS in order to use it. I regularly interact with two or more apps, "Finder" usually being is one of them. I find SM offers little utility in these scenarios. After a week I've concluded I'm better off turning Stage Manager off and leaving it off.
My $0.03 (which would have cost you $0.02 before the Fed blew up M2 😪)
My $0.03 (which would have cost you $0.02 before the Fed blew up M2 😪)
I've always found AltTab slows me down, and I've never gotten used to Desktops, even with 2 external monitors. On the other hand, I listened to Gruber talking with Federighi and Joz (broadcast from WWDC) and he seemed to think that this was really a lot more functional. So I'm going to give it a try, but what I won't do is install a Beta on my daily use Mac. So I'll have to wait and listen to all the criticism here before I give it ia shot.
I like the way you are thinking! Try before you cry!!
We all have different ways of working and no way is inherently wrong. What works for you is what works for you!
I tend to force myself into using new tools for at least 1-2 weeks before I conclude whether they are good or bad. Anything new that interrupts my habits tend to feel bad as a default. But I often end up becoming more efficient after getting accustomed to the new "workflow". This is one of the things I love with Microsoft Edge as a browser. Using vertical tabs on a widescreen monitor makes so much more sense than having all tabs horizontal at the top of the browser. I hated it in the beginning, now its really difficult to use any other browser as no other browser does vertical tabs as good as Microsoft Edge.
So far I feel Stage Manager has potential. It felt like I had to struggle with it in the beginning as it felt like Stage Manager wanted to waste horsiontal space by showing me my grouped applications on the left side of the monitor. But now I have windows covering this space all the time and all I need to do is to drag my mouse cursor to the left side of the screen to easily jump between my grouped applications. I like it quite a lot after putting in some time and effort to actually make groups out of the applications I tend to use at the same time and to make sure that my window sizing made sense. It more or less feels like spaces, just for non-fullscreen apps and I like it.
On iPadOS it's a different beast. It does the same, but having the capability of actually using windowed applications in a meaningful way for the first time on iPadOS is a game-changer for me. Now I can actually use my iPad Pro instead of my MacBook Pro most of the time without it feeling like a struggle.
So far I feel Stage Manager has potential. It felt like I had to struggle with it in the beginning as it felt like Stage Manager wanted to waste horsiontal space by showing me my grouped applications on the left side of the monitor. But now I have windows covering this space all the time and all I need to do is to drag my mouse cursor to the left side of the screen to easily jump between my grouped applications. I like it quite a lot after putting in some time and effort to actually make groups out of the applications I tend to use at the same time and to make sure that my window sizing made sense. It more or less feels like spaces, just for non-fullscreen apps and I like it.
On iPadOS it's a different beast. It does the same, but having the capability of actually using windowed applications in a meaningful way for the first time on iPadOS is a game-changer for me. Now I can actually use my iPad Pro instead of my MacBook Pro most of the time without it feeling like a struggle.
I don't understand why they didn't just incorporate it into the Dock. If you minimise windows there in the first place, why not minimise groups of windows too?
As I use my desktop in EXACTLY the same way as I have since I installed MacOS 7.0 on out LC 475 we bought
in 1993; OK, not quite: I love the Dock. Why the "Hairy-Mary" do we need what is really just another pair of docks
parked at the edges of our monitor taking up space?
in 1993; OK, not quite: I love the Dock. Why the "Hairy-Mary" do we need what is really just another pair of docks
parked at the edges of our monitor taking up space?
I was not excited by the Stage Manager announcement, but it surprised me and is now my favorite Ventura feature. The primary reason is because it adds the native one-app focus of the iPad to the excellent Mac multi-tasking features. The combination of Stage Manager and Expose provides a distraction-free workspace with effortless task switching and pairing. So far the experience is a very liquid workflow and an unexpected productivity boost. +1 for Stage Manager!
You could use Finder tabs in a single window instead of multiple Finder windows as a workaround for now.
