Standby mode turns off after a minute or so

[wags1]

Hey guys


Rather clear info on Apple’s website here - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph878d77632/ios

Note the need to push the side button once on the charger. Without that step, it wasn’t staying on all night. Now that I know to do this, it stays on all night without fail.

It also clearly states the phones this will work for. All others switch off after a set period of time.

It does not stay on all night because it still follows the Always on Display rules (as defined by Apple unfortunately)...which means it is not actually always on. This has been documented now by many different users, and it's not because they aren't somehow following the right instructions.

 

[Elanlee]

It does not stay on all night because it still follows the Always on Display rules (as defined by Apple unfortunately)...which means it is not actually always on. This has been documented now by many different users, and it's not because they aren't somehow following the right instructions.

A little closer to a FIX

I’ve gotten my phone to stay on while in standby mode all night:

[iPhone 14 pro max, iOS 17.0.2]

Settings -> Display and Brightness -> always on display -> on

Settings -> Standby -> always on -> on

No sleep profile scheduled or enabled

Settings -> standby -> night mode -> works for on and off

Procedure:

With these settings enabled, when I put my phone on the magnetic charging dock (off-brand purchased on Amazon) it immediately goes into standby mode.

The screen then goes dark after 30 seconds.

If I hit the table it’s resting on, the vibration brings the screen back to life, and this time it stays on for about 4 hours. Hitting the table again when it turns off, leaves the display on until morning.

Curious if this works for anyone else.

My assumption about what’s happening is that “always on” in standby mode (which has the wrong name if it’s not going to be just be always on) and has a sloppy description (the feature is called “always on” and the description only talks about when it will turn off) is programmed to adjust the period of time the display stays on while in standby mode. This adjustment is based on the user’s behavior. If it turns off and you tell it to turn back on immediately, it “learns” to stay on for longer. That’s my working assumption at least, as I try to make what should be a simple feature, usable.

 

[DotCom2]

A little closer to a FIX

I’ve gotten my phone to stay on while in standby mode all night:

[iPhone 14 pro max, iOS 17.0.2]

Settings -> Display and Brightness -> always on display -> on

Settings -> Standby -> always on -> on

No sleep profile scheduled or enabled

Settings -> standby -> night mode -> works for on and off

Procedure:

With these settings enabled, when I put my phone on the magnetic charging dock (off-brand purchased on Amazon) it immediately goes into standby mode.

The screen then goes dark after 30 seconds.

If I hit the table it’s resting on, the vibration brings the screen back to life, and this time it stays on for about 4 hours. Hitting the table again when it turns off, leaves the display on until morning.

Curious if this works for anyone else.

My assumption about what’s happening is that “always on” in standby mode (which has the wrong name if it’s not going to be just be always on) and has a sloppy description (the feature is called “always on” and the description only talks about when it will turn off) is programmed to adjust the period of time the display stays on while in standby mode. This adjustment is based on the user’s behavior. If it turns off and you tell it to turn back on immediately, it “learns” to stay on for longer. That’s my working assumption at least, as I try to make what should be a simple feature, usable.

You are so right on the "sloppy description" in the Standby "Always On" setting! How that got through channels is a mystery.

 

[wags1]

You are so right on the "sloppy description" in the Standby "Always On" setting! How that got through channels is a mystery.

The description and even naming of the “Always on Display” has been sloppy/poor from its inception. It has never been a “always on display”…at best it has been a “sometimes on display” that can be set to be never on but can’t actually be set to be always on…

 

[caesarp]

Hey guys


Rather clear info on Apple’s website here - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph878d77632/ios

Note the need to push the side button once on the charger. Without that step, it wasn’t staying on all night. Now that I know to do this, it stays on all night without fail.

It also clearly states the phones this will work for. All others switch off after a set period of time.

Actually, pressing the side button is simply to display standby mode right away when on its side and plugged in, rather than waiting a few seconds for it to do so automatically once you put it on its side. Pressing the side button just displays it right away.

Did you have "motion to wake" toggled on under night mode? I turned that off, then it stayed on all night.

 

[caesarp]

A little closer to a FIX

I’ve gotten my phone to stay on while in standby mode all night:

[iPhone 14 pro max, iOS 17.0.2]

Settings -> Display and Brightness -> always on display -> on

Settings -> Standby -> always on -> on

No sleep profile scheduled or enabled

Settings -> standby -> night mode -> works for on and off

Procedure:

With these settings enabled, when I put my phone on the magnetic charging dock (off-brand purchased on Amazon) it immediately goes into standby mode.

The screen then goes dark after 30 seconds.

If I hit the table it’s resting on, the vibration brings the screen back to life, and this time it stays on for about 4 hours. Hitting the table again when it turns off, leaves the display on until morning.

Curious if this works for anyone else.

My assumption about what’s happening is that “always on” in standby mode (which has the wrong name if it’s not going to be just be always on) and has a sloppy description (the feature is called “always on” and the description only talks about when it will turn off) is programmed to adjust the period of time the display stays on while in standby mode. This adjustment is based on the user’s behavior. If it turns off and you tell it to turn back on immediately, it “learns” to stay on for longer. That’s my working assumption at least, as I try to make what should be a simple feature, usable.

I found something that works for me -- it stayed on all night last night. I turned OFF "motion to wake" under night mode. My hunch was, with motion to wake set to ON, it assumed you wanted the screen to go dark and then use motion to activate the screen.

My hunch may have been right. Last night, before I changed the "motion to wake" setting, my screen went off after a short while. Then, when I toggled OFF the "motion to wake" setting, it stayed on all night.

I'll see if it works again tonight.

 

[caesarp]

It does not stay on all night because it still follows the Always on Display rules (as defined by Apple unfortunately)...which means it is not actually always on. This has been documented now by many different users, and it's not because they aren't somehow following the right instructions.

Try turning OFF the "motion to wake" setting under night mode. I did that and it worked to stay on all night last night. (I have a 15 pro).

 

[ZombiePete]

This is such a preposterous implementation of what seemed to be a nice, simple QOL update in iOS 17. I came here looking to see if anyone else was having issues because on my phone, the motion to wake was working well and I decided I was okay with it, but the past two nights motion and even jiggling the phone hasn’t been turning on the standby screen.

This shouldn’t be this complicated; the standby mode looks great and is exactly what I want but it’s so unreliable.

 

[caesarp]

A little closer to a FIX

I’ve gotten my phone to stay on while in standby mode all night:

[iPhone 14 pro max, iOS 17.0.2]

Settings -> Display and Brightness -> always on display -> on

Settings -> Standby -> always on -> on

No sleep profile scheduled or enabled

Settings -> standby -> night mode -> works for on and off

Procedure:

With these settings enabled, when I put my phone on the magnetic charging dock (off-brand purchased on Amazon) it immediately goes into standby mode.

The screen then goes dark after 30 seconds.

If I hit the table it’s resting on, the vibration brings the screen back to life, and this time it stays on for about 4 hours. Hitting the table again when it turns off, leaves the display on until morning.

Curious if this works for anyone else.

My assumption about what’s happening is that “always on” in standby mode (which has the wrong name if it’s not going to be just be always on) and has a sloppy description (the feature is called “always on” and the description only talks about when it will turn off) is programmed to adjust the period of time the display stays on while in standby mode. This adjustment is based on the user’s behavior. If it turns off and you tell it to turn back on immediately, it “learns” to stay on for longer. That’s my working assumption at least, as I try to make what should be a simple feature, usable.

What happens if you turn off the "motion to wake" setting in night mode? I turned that off, and that worked to keep it on all night for me. (iPhone 15 pro).

 

[WaitingForGuacamole]

Hey guys


Rather clear info on Apple’s website here - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph878d77632/ios

Note the need to push the side button once on the charger. Without that step, it wasn’t staying on all night. Now that I know to do this, it stays on all night without fail.

It also clearly states the phones this will work for. All others switch off after a set period of time.

Yeah, I do that, despite the documentation of even that being poor, as once I turn the phone on its side and attach to a charger, what is a "side" button? Is it the button that's now on top? I mean, I'm being facetious, I know what they're talking about, but it's yet another case of muddled language from Apple on this topic.

 

[WaitingForGuacamole]

The description and even naming of the “Always on Display” has been sloppy/poor from its inception. It has never been a “always on display”…at best it has been a “sometimes on display” that can be set to be never on but can’t actually be set to be always on…

Except during the day, when it is AlwaysOn. At night it's WellTryToMakeYouThinkItsAlwaysOnButWillShutItOffAndHopeWereFastEnoughToCatchYouWakingAndTurnBackOn.

EDIT: That wasn't quite accurate, my bad. What I meant to say was WellTryToMakeYouThinkItsAlwaysOnButWillShutItOffAndHopeWereFastEnoughToCatchYouWakingAndTurnBackOnExceptWhereWeSometimesLeaveItOnAndSometimesNeverTurnItOn

 

[Sailmac22]

Disconnect your Lock Screen from a Focus, esp. Do Not Disturb.
Helped me.

 

[AllFish]

Concerning the Problem with StandBy mode.

What happens if you turn off the "motion to wake" setting in night mode? I turned that off, and that worked to keep it on all night for me. (iPhone 15 pro).

Nice, if this would always work.
Can you reproduce your Fix?

 

[wags1]

Appreciate folks trying to be helpful but IMO this is not a case of not having the settings set correctly. It does not stay on all night because it is working as Apple has designed it and is still following the Always on Display rules (as defined by Apple unfortunately) which they have have even described in the Standby documentation...which means it is not actually always on. This has been documented now by many different users, and it's not because they aren't somehow following the right instructions. Why it seems to work (to be more accurate, works differently then how Apple says it should work) for some folks in certain circumstances just adds to the confusion. Apple could clear it all up by adding a setting to Standby (they could call it "Nightstand Clock Mode") that would actually keep the display ALWAYS ON when being charged if that setting were toggled on.

 

[AllFish]

Appreciate folks trying to be helpful but IMO this is not a case of not having the settings set correctly. It does not stay on all night because it is working as Apple has designed it and is still following the Always on Display rules (as defined by Apple unfortunately) which they have have even described in the Standby documentation...which means it is not actually always on. This has been documented now by many different users, and it's not because they aren't somehow following the right instructions. Why it seems to work (to be more accurate, works differently then how Apple says it should work) for some folks in certain circumstances just adds to the confusion. Apple could clear it all up by adding a setting to Standby (they could call it "Nightstand Clock Mode") that would actually keep the display ALWAYS ON when being charged if that setting were toggled on.

You are a beacon …

 

[caesarp]

Concerning the Problem with StandBy mode.

Nice, if this would always work.
Can you reproduce your Fix?

Unfortunately, no. Did not work last night. Screen went dark after a little while last night. So the software is inconsistent. Something is wrong.

 

[AllFish]

Appreciate folks trying to be helpful but IMO this is not a case of not having the settings set correctly. It does not stay on all night because it is working as Apple has designed it and is still following the Always on Display rules (as defined by Apple unfortunately) which they have have even described in the Standby documentation...which means it is not actually always on. This has been documented now by many different users, and it's not because they aren't somehow following the right instructions. Why it seems to work (to be more accurate, works differently then how Apple says it should work) for some folks in certain circumstances just adds to the confusion. Apple could clear it all up by adding a setting to Standby (they could call it "Nightstand Clock Mode") that would actually keep the display ALWAYS ON when being charged if that setting were toggled on.

wags1 has the only answer I believe

 

[caesarp]

Appreciate folks trying to be helpful but IMO this is not a case of not having the settings set correctly. It does not stay on all night because it is working as Apple has designed it and is still following the Always on Display rules (as defined by Apple unfortunately) which they have have even described in the Standby documentation...which means it is not actually always on. This has been documented now by many different users, and it's not because they aren't somehow following the right instructions. Why it seems to work (to be more accurate, works differently then how Apple says it should work) for some folks in certain circumstances just adds to the confusion. Apple could clear it all up by adding a setting to Standby (they could call it "Nightstand Clock Mode") that would actually keep the display ALWAYS ON when being charged if that setting were toggled on.

Are you sure about that -- and is that really what Apple intended? Because "Always on display" is a different toggle setting from "always on" under Standby. Try it -- one toggle does not affect the other. So why have both then?

And if Stand By literally REQUIRES the phone to be plugged in/charging to even activate at all, WHY would it even consider turning the display off completely? With "always on" lock screen, it makes sense to sometimes turn off the display, since the phone isn't plugged in necessarily.

And if the concern with Standby is not disturbing someone with too much light at night, then WHY is there "night mode", which even when enabled doesn't seem to stop it from turning off completely? Night mode should clearly be always on, or what's the point?

None of this makes any logical sense.

And perhaps the designers of the "always on" feature did not communicate well with the designers of "stand by". And somehow the interactions are not working correctly and not making any sense.

I think the software is not working correctly, as it is inconsistent. For me, at least one time on standby it stayed on all night. The next night (with same settings) it did not. So something is wrong here.

 

[AllFish]

Are you sure about that -- and is that really what Apple intended? Because "Always on display" is a different toggle setting from "always on" under Standby. Try it -- one toggle does not affect the other. So why have both then?

And if Stand By literally REQUIRES the phone to be plugged in/charging to even activate at all, WHY would it even consider turning the display off completely? With "always on" lock screen, it makes sense to sometimes turn off the display, since the phone isn't plugged in necessarily.

And if the concern with Standby is not disturbing someone with too much light at night, then WHY is there "night mode", which even when enabled doesn't seem to stop it from turning off completely? Night mode should clearly be always on, or what's the point?

None of this makes any logical sense.

And perhaps the designers of the "always on" feature did not communicate well with the designers of "stand by". And somehow the interactions are not working correctly and not making any sense.

I think the software is not working correctly, as it is inconsistent. For me, at least one time on standby it stayed on all night. The next night (with same settings) it did not. So something is wrong here.

If you follow the reasoning, and knowing Apple it all makes perfect sense though.
Don't get me wrong I also think it sucks and the screen should stay on.

 

[caesarp]

If you follow the reasoning, and knowing Apple it all makes perfect sense though.
Don't get me wrong I also think it sucks and the screen should stay on.

What is the reasoning? For Stand By I don't see any reasoning regarding turning the screen off at night -- particularly if night mode is enabled.

And what does "always on" mean then, under stand by? There literally is no logic.

 

[wags1]

Are you sure about that -- and is that really what Apple intended? Because "Always on display" is a different toggle setting from "always on" under Standby. Try it -- one toggle does not affect the other. So why have both then?

And if Stand By literally REQUIRES the phone to be plugged in/charging to even activate at all, WHY would it even consider turning the display off completely? With "always on" lock screen, it makes sense to sometimes turn off the display, since the phone isn't plugged in necessarily.

And if the concern with Standby is not disturbing someone with too much light at night, then WHY is there "night mode", which even when enabled doesn't seem to stop it from turning off completely? Night mode should clearly be always on, or what's the point?

None of this makes any logical sense.

And perhaps the designers of the "always on" feature did not communicate well with the designers of "stand by". And somehow the interactions are not working correctly and not making any sense.

I think the software is not working correctly, as it is inconsistent. For me, at least one time on standby it stayed on all night. The next night (with same settings) it did not. So something is wrong here.

Unfortunately I have tested every permutation and combination of settings and eventually during the night the “AoD” eventually always turns off. The AoD turns off under certain circumstances and behaves exactly as Apple Support describes it:

”The display automatically turns off when iPhone is face down or obstructed from view, not near a paired Apple Watch, when a CarPlay session begins, while Continuity Camera is in use, while Low Power Mode is on, while Sleep Focus is on, or at your usual bedtime.”

Seems to me it is not a “bug” but WAD. As I have said several times now, it would be easy for Apple to fix with the appropriate setting that would actually force it to stay on.

 

[AllFish]

What is the reasoning? For Stand By I don't see any reasoning regarding turning the screen off at night -- particularly if night mode is enabled.

And what does "always on" mean then, under stand by? There literally is no logic.

From what I understand it all could be explained if you follow the Apple definition of Always On

 

[wags1]

What is the reasoning? For Stand By I don't see any reasoning regarding turning the screen off at night -- particularly if night mode is enabled.

And what does "always on" mean then, under stand by? There literally is no logic.

I agree and it really should work exactly like we all expect it to work, just like you would expect a nightstand clock to work…stay on all night. Except it doesn’t. Apple should fix it but my guess is that they will continue to insist that is working the way they designed it and want it to work…we are all just not smart enough to understand how perfectly it works…😉

 

[wags1]

From what I understand it all could be explained if you follow the Apple definition of Always On

That is right. It is working exactly as they designed and described it (see below). Net is it really is a Always on Display that can be set to be always off but can’t actually be set to be always on…🤣

Apple support description of AoD

 

[wags1]

On top of that - on your iPhone go into Settings, StandBy and read the description of the Always On toggle:

“When Always On is enabled, the display will intelligently turn off when not in use.”

…so by their own definition if you turn on the “Always On” setting the “always on display” is designed to not always stay on. The cognitive dissonance hurts my head…🤣