Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between

[Rafterman]

Beta quadrant: Go-to for the best writing about Starfleet's finest ship and crew.

Delta quadrant: Home of the worst writing, the lamest Starfleet vessel, the worst Starfleet crew.

DS9 is my favorite, but Voyager had it's moments.

 

[Mousse]

Just a thought, after episode 4 and all the talk of compromised Starfleet, I wonder...remember that episode of TNG in season 1 or 2, with the creatures that took over some admirals - and Picard and Riker phasered the leader's head off, all explod-ey? They never finished that storyline. I wonder if these creatures and the changelings got together to take down Starfleet? With all the callbacks, finishing that storyline could be one of them.

I don't see them pursuiting the parasite storyline. It's too similar to the Stargate's Goa'uld.🤫

Star Trek SG1 parasites have taken over the Starfleet Command. They plan to take over the Federation Council next. Only two men stand in their way the rogue Admiral O'Neill and the mighty Klingon warrior, Teal'c of House Ronac.🤭

 

[Mousse]

Beta quadrant: Go-to for the best writing about Starfleet's finest ship and crew.

I think you mean Gamma Quadrant. Beta Quandrant is Klingon/Romulan turf.

I agree that DS9 was the best ST series. They not only fixed a broken alien species, the Ferengi. But introduced 3 more aliens that were all home runs: the Founders, Vortas and Jem'Hadars.

Delta quadrant: Home of the worst writing, the lamest Starfleet vessel, the worst Starfleet crew.

While I agree that ST:Voyager was mostly awful writing full of technobabble. And they screwed up the Borg. The most badass Big Bad* in the Star Trek universe became Janeway's whipping boys. Ugh.

There were a few diamonds in the dungheap; two comes immediately to mind Year of Hell and Living Witness.

*IMO, the TNG Borg would have beaten the DS9 Dominion, not even a contest. I don't think they would have been able to assimulate a Founder, but Jem'Hadar and Vorta would fall prey. Once the Borg gains resurrection technology (Vorta) and rapid growth, battle ready soldiers (Jem'Hadar), they'd mop the floor with the Dominion.

 

[Rafterman]

Strange New Worlds showrunner Akiva Goldman said season three has begun filming. Two wrapped in July and a premiere date will be announced soon.

Can't wait to see that Lower Decks crossover.

 

[JTK Awesome]

I think you mean Gamma Quadrant. Beta Quandrant is Klingon/Romulan turf.

Fix'd. DS9 leaves Netflix and I start forgetting things 😮

DS9 is my favorite, but Voyager had it's moments.

Only one moment: Message in a Bottle.

It can't be a coincidence that this episode

• mostly takes place off of/away from Voyager
• mostly takes place in the Alpha/Beta quadrants (I think I got that right this time - lots of Romulans in this episode)
• has very little screen time for the Voyager crew

("Future's End" was OK, but only because of Sarah Silverman!)

But it doesn't make up for all those Warp Turds like "The 37s," "Threshold," "Phage," "Demon / Course: Oblivion," and "Drive."

Year of Hell could've been good except for that very very very VERY convenient ending where everything just goes back to normal like nothing happened. How the USS Voyager was holding together at the end of the first of those episodes was really how bad a shape they should've been by the end of the second season.

I swear 2/3 of Voyager's interior was a factory for making spare parts, replacement red shirts, extra torpedoes, and new shuttlecraft.

 

[bradl]

Fix'd. DS9 leaves Netflix and I start forgetting things 😮



Only one moment: Ship in a Bottle.

It can't be a coincidence that this episode

• mostly takes place off of/away from Voyager
• mostly takes place in the Alpha/Beta quadrants (I think I got that right this time - lots of Romulans in this episode)
• has very little screen time for the Voyager crew

("Future's End" was OK, but only because of Sarah Silverman!)

But it doesn't make up for all those Warp Turds like "The 37s," "Threshold," "Phage," "Demon / Course: Oblivion," and "Drive."

Year of Hell could've been good except for that very very very VERY convenient ending where everything just goes back to normal like nothing happened. How the USS Voyager was holding together at the end of the first of those episodes was really how bad a shape they should've been by the end of the second season.

I swear 2/3 of Voyager's interior was a factory for making spare parts, replacement red shirts, extra torpedoes, and new shuttlecraft.

It was rather supposed to be that way. Keep in mind that it wasn't until Pathfinder in season 6 that they weren't able to learn of any new technology Starfleet had (quantum torpedoes, new uniforms, etc.). That made sense as to why they never got any of the new uniform designs.. let alone Harry Kim ever getting a promotion. 😉

And honestly, I still think Pathfinder was one of the best episodes ever produced for that series.

BL.

 

[Rafterman]

It was rather supposed to be that way. Keep in mind that it wasn't until Pathfinder in season 6 that they weren't able to learn of any new technology Starfleet had (quantum torpedoes, new uniforms, etc.). That made sense as to why they never got any of the new uniform designs.. let alone Harry Kim ever getting a promotion. 😉

And honestly, I still think Pathfinder was one of the best episodes ever produced for that series.

BL.

Actually, Harry Kim not getting a promotion made no sense. Even the ex-con outranked him. They made some obscure reference to how his job limited his rank, Ensign, but Kim was Operations officer. Yet Data was operations officer on the Enterprise and he was a Lt. Commander.

 

[Rafterman]

Fix'd. DS9 leaves Netflix and I start forgetting things 😮



Only one moment: Ship in a Bottle.

It can't be a coincidence that this episode

• mostly takes place off of/away from Voyager
• mostly takes place in the Alpha/Beta quadrants (I think I got that right this time - lots of Romulans in this episode)
• has very little screen time for the Voyager crew

("Future's End" was OK, but only because of Sarah Silverman!)

But it doesn't make up for all those Warp Turds like "The 37s," "Threshold," "Phage," "Demon / Course: Oblivion," and "Drive."

Year of Hell could've been good except for that very very very VERY convenient ending where everything just goes back to normal like nothing happened. How the USS Voyager was holding together at the end of the first of those episodes was really how bad a shape they should've been by the end of the second season.

I swear 2/3 of Voyager's interior was a factory for making spare parts, replacement red shirts, extra torpedoes, and new shuttlecraft.

I think Voyager missed an opportunity to keep the ship wrecked for half a season or so and slowly rebuild it, showing their struggles at reduced capacity. They were too quick to do the legendary Star Trek "reset", where all was well at the end of each episode.

 

[bradl]

Actually, Harry Kim not getting a promotion made no sense. Even the ex-con outranked him. They made some obscure reference to how his job limited his rank, Ensign, but Kim was Operations officer. Yet Data was operations officer on the Enterprise and he was a Lt. Commander.

If you notice, Data was never promoted, either.. In fact, Data was the only one during the full TNG series run that never got promoted. Even Wesley got promoted..

BL.

 

[Rafterman]

If you notice, Data was never promoted, either.. In fact, Data was the only one during the full TNG series run that never got promoted. Even Wesley got promoted..

BL.

But he didn't remain an ensign. The only Cdrs on a ship are first officer and doctor. So that makes sense then that Data never got promoted past LCdr. But never promoted past ensign does not make sense.

 

[bradl]

But he didn't remain an ensign. The only Cdrs on a ship are first officer and doctor. So that makes sense then that Data never got promoted past LCdr. But never promoted past ensign does not make sense.

Troi was Commander.

BL.

 

[Rafterman]

Troi was Commander.

BL.

A medical officer. Already established that medical officers can be commanders.

Harry not getting promote makes zero sense. Not sure why people are arguing that.

 

[BigMcGuire]

A medical officer. Already established that medical officers can be commanders.

Harry not getting promote makes zero sense. Not sure why people are arguing that.

Granted I was a lot younger when VOY was airing on TV but I always thought he never got promoted because he didn't seem to have leadership baked into him. He seemed like a reliable follower. But that was my opinion of him. He seemed like a naive kid - someone you wouldn't want to rely on if you had to. But of course, that episode of him and Tom in the prison showed he grew a little but still, not enough imo. <shrug>.

I liked the character tho. Curious if anyone else felt that way or if that was just me (about Harry).

 

[MacDaddyPanda]

Granted I was a lot younger when VOY was airing on TV but I always thought he never got promoted because he didn't seem to have leadership baked into him. He seemed like a reliable follower. But that was my opinion of him. He seemed like a naive kid - someone you wouldn't want to rely on if you had to. But of course, that episode of him and Tom in the prison showed he grew a little but still, not enough imo. <shrug>.

I liked the character tho. Curious if anyone else felt that way or if that was just me (about Harry).

Those few stand alone episodes of Harry were meh. But he wasn't a main character anyway so... IDK? I mean he did get promoted to Captain in the very end lol. But yeah they didn't really seem to know how to write for his character. Like hey Studio execs we need Asian representation ok. But then never use him in anything meaningful.

 

[Mousse]

If you notice, Data was never promoted, either.. In fact, Data was the only one during the full TNG series run that never got promoted. Even Wesley got promoted..

I can only assume Data never got promoted past Lt. Cmd. due to his inability to pick up on subtle and obvious social cues.😩
One of the requirements of command level officers is diplomatic skills necessary for dealing with other alien species. Data is pretty clueless in dealing with aliens or even fellow crewmembers.😁 Data's command ability is top notch when he was briefly in command of the USS Sutherland.

But he didn't remain an ensign. The only Cdrs on a ship are first officer and doctor. So that makes sense then that Data never got promoted past LCdr. But never promoted past ensign does not make sense.

Maybe Janeway is so by the books that the only way Harry would get promoted is through dead man's shoes. Someone of higher rank in his department would have to die for Harry to move up.😲
Fortunately for O'Brien, Picard wasn't as rigid.😏 Picard made O'Brien a brevet Ensign when he first took command of Enterprise-D. Promoted him to a brevet LT later on. Reverted to CPO in Realm of Fear, when Barclay pulled rank on him. When he joined Sisko's crew, he remained an NCO. That's my non-canon explaination for the Chief's yo-yo ranking during his TNG days.🤓

 

[MacDaddyPanda]

Obrien was always that blue collar kinda guy to me. He would never want command. He wants to put in a good days work and go home. He seemed fine with being in command of Engineering.

 

[bradl]

A medical officer. Already established that medical officers can be commanders.

Harry not getting promote makes zero sense. Not sure why people are arguing that.

Actually, I'm wrong. She started as Lt. Commander in Encounter at Farpoint, in season 1. She was then promoted to Commander after passing the exams to become a bridge officer. That happened in Thine Own Self, (season 7), after she had to take command of the bridge during the quantum filament they encountered in Disaster (season 5).

BL.

 

[Rafterman]

I can only assume Data never got promoted past Lt. Cmd. due to his inability to pick up on subtle and obvious social cues.😩
One of the requirements of command level officers is diplomatic skills necessary for dealing with other alien species. Data is pretty clueless in dealing with aliens or even fellow crewmembers.😁 Data's command ability is top notch when he was briefly in command of the USS Sutherland.

Maybe Janeway is so by the books that the only way Harry would get promoted is through dead man's shoes. Someone of higher rank in his department would have to die for Harry to move up.😲
Fortunately for O'Brien, Picard wasn't as rigid.😏 Picard made O'Brien a brevet Ensign when he first took command of Enterprise-D. Promoted him to a brevet LT later on. Reverted to CPO in Realm of Fear, when Barclay pulled rank on him. When he joined Sisko's crew, he remained an NCO. That's my non-canon explaination for the Chief's yo-yo ranking during his TNG days.🤓

You know that old joke "what max speed can the Enterprise travel? It travels at the speed of plot."

Same thing for O'Brien. Until he became an established character, he was whatever rank they needed him to be at the moment.

 

[sjsharksfan12]

Strange New Worlds showrunner Akiva Goldman said season three has begun filming. Two wrapped in July and a premiere date will be announced soon.

Can't wait to see that Lower Decks crossover.

I think SNW will be released a little after Picard ends it's current run. Lower Decks always seems to be an August show, so I would say SNW is sometime in May.

 

[bradl]

You know that old joke "what max speed can the Enterprise travel? It travels at the speed of plot."

Same thing for O'Brien. Until he became an established character, he was whatever rank they needed him to be at the moment.

I still have no idea why he was only "Conn" on Encounter at Farpoint.

BL.

 

[Rafterman]

I still have no idea why he was only "Conn" on Encounter at Farpoint.

BL.

He was probably just intended to be a one use background character, but maybe they liked the actor and decided to expand his role.

 

[bradl]

He was probably just intended to be a one use background character, but maybe they liked the actor and decided to expand his role.

I think so as well.. glad they did; he was in each of the pilots for TNG, DS9, and VOY..

BL.

 

[Rafterman]

I think so as well.. glad they did; he was in each of the pilots for TNG, DS9, and VOY..

BL.

Colm Meaney is an exceptional actor, outside of ST too.

 

[Rafterman]

There is a report that Paramount+ is developing Star Trek: Dominion War, dealing with the aftermath of the war.

 

[bradl]

There is a report that Paramount+ is developing Star Trek: Dominion War, dealing with the aftermath of the war.

Star Trek: Return of the Sisko. 😄

BL.