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Fraud, blood-diamond, emerald mining... 😂
It's really fun to watch all the misconceptions and cognitive stupidity here about Elon Musk.
MacRumors bloggers have also certainly done a poor job.
The man is super authentic and is sincerely trying to save humanity.
Well, there will always be ungrateful ones among us.
 
Fraud, blood-diamond, emerald mining... 😂
It's really fun to watch all the misconceptions and cognitive stupidity here about Elon Musk.
MacRumors bloggers have also certainly done a poor job.
The man is super authentic and is sincerely trying to save humanity.
Well, there will always be ungrateful ones among us.
We’re going to Mars and leaving those people back here brah.😎

Then after Mars, onward the stars ….
 
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Contemporary EV’s are nowhere near Tesla.

Model S was released in late 2012 targeting the top 10%.
Renault Zoe was released in early 2013 easily affordable for the masses offering a much more sensible take at what an EV should have been at that time (and really still today).
So out goes the notion that without Elon there wouldn't be EVs from major car manufactures.

So sure Teslas do have the range but at a hefty premium both in price and weight (which does cut quite a bit into how eco friendly they are as a whole). Everything else is really just geecky stuff that has little to nothing to with the car being EV or ICE.
 
Model S was released in late 2012 targeting the top 10%.
Renault Zoe was released in early 2013 easily affordable for the masses offering a much more sensible take at what an EV should have been at that time (and really still today).
So out goes the notion that without Elon there wouldn't be EVs from major car manufactures. I’ll get ahead of this by agreeing that isn’t all from Musk, but certainly was leading the effort to make an EV that would be parked in front of the Michelin star restaurant by the valet. Not hidden in back near the Prius drivers.

So sure Teslas do have the range but at a hefty premium both in price and weight (which does cut quite a bit into how eco friendly they are as a whole). Everything else is really just geecky stuff that has little to nothing to with the car being EV or ICE.
Regardless, they wouldn’t had interested early adopters without Musk making EV cool. Otherwise it would be all Nissan Leaf tier EV’s which are not practical or desirable either.


Agree that legacy ICE manufacturers could do the same geeky things, but they won’t because they are too invested in oldthink and have too much intertia. GM is very accomplished at taking a good idea and turning it into absolutely uninspiring garbage.

I haven’t seen a Renault in 30 years in the USA. I hope they have a nice EV.
 
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That will be an interesting read, I'm sure. Likely too 'glowing'?

His jobs book wasn't overly kind. But if half the rumors were true about him, it would be hard to be overly kind in any comments. *shrug* Toxic people do sometimes make, allow, facilitate, cause great things. Often, not surprisingly I suppose, in spite of themselves. But, personalities... We all have one, and it's good that so many keep theirs hidden away. :oops: I've been told I can be a difficult person to work for. *shrug* Just keep smiling...
 
If Jobs and Wozniak had had a baby and not screwed it up, it could have been like Musk. Maybe they would have had to screw it up a little to make him successful. ;)
 
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I'm not even remotely an Apple fanboy but Steve Jobs is a much much better character than this fraudster Musk. They're not even comparable

IMO, Musk seems to have a far larger and darker edge to his personality. More erratic, and narcissistic. But genius seems to require a bit (or more) of madness, insanity, larceny, ego, bravado, but there are a lot of them that got where they are because they surrounded themselves with 'yes men'. And sniveling sycophants. *shrug*

jobs had his now famous 'reality distortion field'. If it works...
 
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His cars based on ideas that have been around for decades using battery technology that was not his, and rocket innovation that was mooted decades ago. His cars might be silently zipping, but not cleanly, as you forget conveniently the resource cost of the vehicle, which is greater than an ICE. As far as the charging, yes, no doubt massive subsidy for infrastructure and charging points will be put in, again not calculated into the clean resource scenario, let alone how the extra electricity will be supplied, or the extra copper, the extra plastics, lithium etc., where an EV requires significantly more plastics to make up for the massive battery weight, along with the titanium shield over the battery which if water penetrates is a recipe for an explosion or fire that cannot be contained and where existing fire services are ill equipped to deal with, and God knows what happens when motorways and highways get clogged up with EV's that have run out of charge? The original resource cost of an EV was based on batteries lasting 10 years or more, and they are failing in that respect, where a report by independent Finnish researchers suggested resource cost of the EV battery alone was equivalent to driving a diesel for 8.2 years. Once an EV gets to holding just 80% charge performance is affected and range, and where the specs for EV's didn't account for colder climates where heater use, wipers and even radio affected range. We are already seeing many batteries that lasted nowhere near the 10 year, so now many are only claiming an 8 year guarantee (limited at that) which makes it more resource costly than the ICE, where the battery alone is so resource dependent, let alone the car itself.

Emergency services are not prepared for the EV situation, let alone dealing with solar installations, but with the EV, fire trucks are often the first to be used...which if unprepared may be equivalent to adding petrol to a fire. Similar dangers can occur with solar panels operating on DC.

At present they are not even geared up to recycling these batteries and an EV uses up to 150lb more copper than an equivalent ICE and where if we get to the larger vehicles, an EV bus would use 700lb. more copper.

Even 'Elon's' vacuum tunnel is something thought of decades ago, and implemented as a transport system decades ago.
This sounds like something people said 10 years ago...

"and God knows what happens when motorways and highways get clogged up with EV's that have run out of charge?"
I mean really? What happens when a car runs out of gas? will the magic fairy come and tow it along?
 
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Model S was released in late 2012 targeting the top 10%.
Renault Zoe was released in early 2013 easily affordable for the masses offering a much more sensible take at what an EV should have been at that time (and really still today).
So out goes the notion that without Elon there wouldn't be EVs from major car manufactures.

So sure Teslas do have the range but at a hefty premium both in price and weight (which does cut quite a bit into how eco friendly they are as a whole). Everything else is really just geecky stuff that has little to nothing to with the car being EV or ICE.
So why didn't the original Zoe sell?
Entering a market from the top is nothing new or special. By the way, Apple does it all the time.
It's just the smart thing to do, as new technologies are expensive. (the Zoe hat a 22kwh battery which would get you 150km of range, if you were lucky)

You simply can't deny the fact, that Tesla kickstarted the EV revolution. Basically every CEO of the traditional Car manufacturers has even said that.
And really wouldn't call a modern Infotainment system with a screen that doesn't lag "geeky stuff".
Fun fact: The Model S with its huge touchscreen was unveiled even before the iPad.

I get why many people dislike Musk on a personal level. But to claim that he and his teams haven't done remarkable things in multiple industries is just wrong and weird.
 
And really wouldn't call a modern Infotainment system with a screen that doesn't lag "geeky stuff".

I tried being nice :p As long as a car comes with a steering wheel installed a "infotainment" system should really do 2 things, play music to keep the driver awake and show a map to tell him where to go.

Everything else is a mistake and the fact that everyone is going into that direction doesn't make it less of one.

As for sales numbers of the Zoe, *shrug* EV in those years only sold via hype and subsidies and only once private companies and governments started dumping billions into charging networks it is that owning an EV as a primary car made some sense. And here it clearly shows that Tesla might have accelerated quite a bit but not anywhere to the tune of being delayed by decades.
 
I hope it is more accurate than the Steve Jobs book, where Steve allowed the author 40 interviews, but insisted he did not even read the draft or the book before publication let alone exert any editorial changes, and where in my opinion, it was a mistake where he was then portrayed unlike the Steve Jobs I had the pleasure of communicating with.

I wonder if Elon Musk will allow unfettered access and honesty amongst the contributors, which is what Steve insisted on and further I wonder if Elon will forego the right to have any editorial control or read the finished book prior to publication...I doubt it.
This isn't the first Elon Musk biography that he has participated in. He didn't get any editorial control over the other one.
 
This sounds like something people said 10 years ago...

"and God knows what happens when motorways and highways get clogged up with EV's that have run out of charge?"
I mean really? What happens when a car runs out of gas? will the magic fairy come and tow it along?

For a fee, yes.

Oh, and seat belts! You would have thought the world was going to end. And head rests for car seats too. And catalytic converters, and 'no lead' gas, and turn signals, and improved fuel economy, and on and on, and that's only one industry! An industry that has proven very powerful to warp reality itself. Yikes...

But, electric cars do come with a lot of interesting issues. If it is true that their cars are lighting up their owners garages at night, that's a big problem. I haven't heard mush about it, but I remember the 787 battery packs catching fire, and/or exploding. Not much you can do at 40,000 feet. (Maybe have a core ejection mechanism to shoot the hot mess out of the plane? And where does it land? I'd rather have 'blue water' covering my house than a flaming 500 pound battery pack come through the roof)

I watched a video on the YouTube about how *someone* prophesied that we would all be driving 'atomic powered cars'. Imagine a China Syndrome incident after a simple rear end accident. 'We had an uncontained critical excursion on the 405, so drivers should avoid the surrounding 500 mile containment zone for the next 25,000 years!'
 
All anti-Tesla shorter talking points. Ok fine, Elon didn’t invent the battery or the electric motor. But we wouldn’t have viable EV without him and his dream. Elon enabled the world’s top talent to work for him relatively unrestrained.

Agree that EV is simply outsourcing the ICE. But my interest is not environmental. I want to watch the oil economy die, and I want to watch an American auto company make innovative products and kick GM/Ford/Pasta-Chrysler in the nuts.

First responders will be fine. They have been dealing with hybrids for a quarter of a century now. Entire firefighting careers from academy to retirement have occurred while partial EV’s have roamed the street.

No worries about batteries. Lots of technological progress occurring. Recycling and new chemistries are coming (it’s going to be a huge business)

Well aware of the silly hyper loop tunnel proposals not being original. But I’m not laughing Elon off anymore.

At the end of the day, it’s all happening because Elon made EV cool. Steve Jobs made personal computers and computer phones cool too. Elon is doing it, and you’re sitting back hoping that some guy in Finland can poke a hole in some attic edge case. Lame!
I have to say, I’ve enjoyed every one of your posts in this thread, not also have they been witty/clever, but you genuinely have knowledge of what you’re talking about in terms of Tesla as a whole, and a more realistic-sensible approach about Elon Musk and his creative style.
 
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His cars based on ideas that have been around for decades using battery technology that was not his, and rocket innovation that was mooted decades ago. His cars might be silently zipping, but not cleanly, as you forget conveniently the resource cost of the vehicle, which is greater than an ICE. As far as the charging, yes, no doubt massive subsidy for infrastructure and charging points will be put in, again not calculated into the clean resource scenario, let alone how the extra electricity will be supplied, or the extra copper, the extra plastics, lithium etc., where an EV requires significantly more plastics to make up for the massive battery weight, along with the titanium shield over the battery which if water penetrates is a recipe for an explosion or fire that cannot be contained and where existing fire services are ill equipped to deal with, and God knows what happens when motorways and highways get clogged up with EV's that have run out of charge? The original resource cost of an EV was based on batteries lasting 10 years or more, and they are failing in that respect, where a report by independent Finnish researchers suggested resource cost of the EV battery alone was equivalent to driving a diesel for 8.2 years. Once an EV gets to holding just 80% charge performance is affected and range, and where the specs for EV's didn't account for colder climates where heater use, wipers and even radio affected range. We are already seeing many batteries that lasted nowhere near the 10 year, so now many are only claiming an 8 year guarantee (limited at that) which makes it more resource costly than the ICE, where the battery alone is so resource dependent, let alone the car itself.

Emergency services are not prepared for the EV situation, let alone dealing with solar installations, but with the EV, fire trucks are often the first to be used...which if unprepared may be equivalent to adding petrol to a fire. Similar dangers can occur with solar panels operating on DC.

At present they are not even geared up to recycling these batteries and an EV uses up to 150lb more copper than an equivalent ICE and where if we get to the larger vehicles, an EV bus would use 700lb. more copper.

Even 'Elon's' vacuum tunnel is something thought of decades ago, and implemented as a transport system decades ago.
So? Steve Jobs didn't invent the mp3 player, or the phone, or tablet, or all in one computer - but Apple under his leadership sure as hell made the best version of them all that people actually wanted to buy. Same goes for Tesla. Almost no one wanted EVs until Tesla came along.
 
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I think it had something to do with Musk not being hostile enough with Big Orange {not a political post, don’t whack me for it}

However, some of the tech-bro and Silicon Valley types also seem to have a deeper bone to pick with him over being an outsider or too much of a disruptor. I simply detect a bunch of Hotel reservation API developers who seem jealous.
Elon quit the group that Trump put together over pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord. Tim Cook just said he was disappointed.
 
I guess people want to dream that Cook had a Jobs moment and gave Musk the finger. If he did say it, I applaud Cook for telling Musk what we've all been wanting to say to him for a few years now.
Well, he didn't say it from all parties involved 🙄
 
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Skip whatever book is being written and just listen to the TrueAnon podcast to see what this dum-dum has been up to in his life and his big-government grift.

It's all very pathetic.

Don’t care

Governments waste money all the time. This time they partnered with someone that had the right vision and team. Infrastructure investments and tax credit schemes benefit lots of companies.

I don’t care if he was privileged at birth and had connections to the National Party’s Foreign Minister Pik Botha. He’s naturalized American and is building huge careers for Americans of all backgrounds, and allowing them to make their dreams come true.

I don’t care if he has goofy names for his kids.

I don’t care if he smoke a blunt with Rogan. I think Tim Apple should pass the peace pipe with Rogan as well.

I don’t care that he is prone to blunder and overpromises. He has already delivered things that I wouldn’t believe I’d ever see if you would had asked me just a decade ago.

Musk delivers and is building our future.
 
All anti-Tesla shorter talking points. Ok fine, Elon didn’t invent the battery or the electric motor. But we wouldn’t have viable EV without him and his dream. Elon enabled the world’s top talent to work for him relatively unrestrained.

Agree that EV is simply outsourcing the ICE. But my interest is not environmental. I want to watch the oil economy die, and I want to watch an American auto company make innovative products and kick GM/Ford/Pasta-Chrysler in the nuts.

First responders will be fine. They have been dealing with hybrids for a quarter of a century now. Entire firefighting careers from academy to retirement have occurred while partial EV’s have roamed the street.

No worries about batteries. Lots of technological progress occurring. Recycling and new chemistries are coming (it’s going to be a huge business)

Well aware of the silly hyper loop tunnel proposals not being original. But I’m not laughing Elon off anymore.

At the end of the day, it’s all happening because Elon made EV cool. Steve Jobs made personal computers and computer phones cool too. Elon is doing it, and you’re sitting back hoping that some guy in Finland can poke a hole in some attic edge case. Lame!
Not anti Tesla shorter talking points, just facts. You are obviously unaware that viability does not mean gaining credits from real bulk car manufacturers, or getting the biggest grants and subsidies seen, and where no doubt that's happened in China and a drop of hat production can be curtailed in the U.S. to China or to the next government willing to pay even more in subsidy and grant. Elon didn't make EV cool? The EV was demonstrated in the US in 1890! Many variants of the EV surfaced, but NONE Of them on the back of massive kickbacks from other car companies, or massive subsidies and grants from States. New York even had a fleet of 60 electric cabs! By 1990 EV's represented 30% of vehicles on the roads....what percentage of EV's are there now? Not my statistics but from Department of Energy.
 
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