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We are discussing small talk on an elevator, not work expectations from your job. I'm sorry, by SJ's behaviour, if true, is borderline crazy. That's NOT a typical Corporate environment.

I use Apple's products along with many other great products from many other great companies, some of which probably have totally rational CEO's, so it doesn't have to be that way. Hopefully for Apple employees, Tim Cook is a little more stable.

Tony

Jerk or not, Jobs did what he did and it turned out to be extremely successful for both himself and the company he co-founded.
 
Jerk or not, Jobs did what he did and it turned out to be extremely successful for both himself and the company he co-founded.

I DON'T CARE. He's still a jerk. Steve being a jerk is independent of any innovation and company vision he had that made Apple successful. He probably would have had that even if he tried to be a nicer guy in the elevator (and assuming other times as well).

Bill Gates had the same level of success (if not greater) and he did it while being a nice guy.

Tony
 
I DON'T CARE. He's still a jerk. Steve being a jerk is independent of any innovation and company vision he had that made Apple successful. He probably would have had that even if he tried to be a nicer guy in the elevator (and assuming other times as well).

Bill Gates had the same level of success (if not greater) and he did it while being a nice guy.

Tony

Bill Gates is not even comparable to Steve Jobs.They are 2 different people.

And being a jerk is really something for each to decide. You may think your CEO is rational and someone may find him an boring person/Predictable. It all depends on perspective. And i think differences are what make this world go round, and not sameness. So i am glad that Steve Jobs is Steve Jobs, and not your 101 CEO.
 
As a consumer who enjoys the benefits of Apple products, SJ's actions are perfectly permissible as long as they are within the scope of the law.

I see. The ends (giving you shiny things) justify the means.

So if people enjoy the benefits of Samsung products, and they're done within the scope of the law, you must have no objection to them either.

... i believe that is Steve's freedom/right to expect whatever he wants.

Oh, it is everyone's "right" to act like a jerk and do/expect what they want.

Doesn't make it the right thing to do.
 
I see. The ends (giving you shiny things) justify the means.

So if people enjoy the benefits of Samsung products, and they're done within the scope of the law, you must have no objection to them either.



Oh, it is everyone's "right" to act like a jerk and do/expect what they want.

Doesn't make it the right thing to do.


Everyone has their definition of "being a jerk" and "being right". Just because you see something as "right" or someone as a "jerk" doesn't mean it is an universal truth.
 
If he was hard of hearing, shouldn't he be less sensitive to fan noise than others, making him less likely to require quiet computers?

You're not seeing the big picture...

Think about more than the sound of the fans for example, what if you are trying to hear something else at the same time you're using a computer? If your hearing is impaired, noise from the fans will make it much more difficult to hear other things. With adequate hearing, it is much easier to filter out non-essential sounds.

It is also entirely possible that certain frequencies are more impaired than others, but the previous example is plausible enough.
 
I DON'T CARE. He's still a jerk. Steve being a jerk is independent of any innovation and company vision he had that made Apple successful. He probably would have had that even if he tried to be a nicer guy in the elevator (and assuming other times as well).

Bill Gates had the same level of success (if not greater) and he did it while being a nice guy.

Tony

You are kidding? Bill Gates was just as irrational. You must not know your history.
 
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God forbid a CEO expect their highly payed employees to discuss what they are working on in an intelligent manner.
 
It's not cool at all. How you ever had a boss like that? I hope not.

Even worse is the famed Apple "Worldwide Loyalty Team".



The reason why the Jobs story has stuck in my head is because of my own quite opposite experiences.

For instance, as a software contractor in the late 1990s, I remember getting on an elevator at Verizon in Florida, and a VP who was one step down from CEO smiled, stuck out his hand and said, "Hi, I'm Jim Smith, I'm sorry, but I don't think I remember you. What do you do?" I told him; he listened carefully. It was all quite pleasant and adult. I was impressed. And I had similar experiences with others at his level.



Or in Jobs' case, a great way to get fired.



I think the visitor was an office supplies salesman and his badge wasn't visible to Jobs. I will try to find the story article again.

Still a Verizon stooge....

The Verizon IT VPs I worked with were horrible.
 
My favorite Steve elevator story came from a visitor who was leaving the campus. While all his employees avoided getting on with him, the visitor didn't know any better and thought it would be cool just to stand next to Steve.

Halfway through the ride, Steve suddenly turns to him and asks, "So what have YOU done for me today?"

The guy was taken aback and could only stammer out, "Uhh, umm, well I listened to an iPod on the way to work!"

Steve went ballistic on him. "What's your name and who's your boss? I want you off the campus by the end of today. You're fired!"

The visitor was stunned but managed to explain that he didn't work there.

"Oh", said Steve. "Well okay then." And they finished the ride in silence, with Jobs first out the door when it opened.
haha nice anecdote :D Can't help questioning its veracity though, because that's pretty much a dick move, even from Jobs. Not to mention its questionable legality! Methinks the 'visitor' embellished
 
it is Steve's right to expect whatever he wants to expect from his employees(and whenever).


Not true, there is employment legislation to protect workers, and whilst I have a lot of respect for SJ and the fabulous products Apple produce, these stories sound like the work of a bully.

Employees should not be living in fear of their boss, that's just morally wrong on so many levels.
 
haha nice anecdote :D Can't help questioning its veracity though, because that's pretty much a dick move, even from Jobs. Not to mention its questionable legality! Methinks the 'visitor' embellished

Yeah, even though this tale is told around the Apple campus as a warning between employees, I think it's probably a bogus humorous story derived from a real firing event.
 
I don't think I'd be comfortable working for a company where the employees were afraid to talk to the boss.

I'd hate to work at a company where there were no repercussions for showing the CEO that you are either dull as a post or uninterested in your job.


Or: more employees should be afraid of looking like an idiot to their boss.
 
I'd hate to work at a company where there were no repercussions for showing the CEO that you are either dull as a post or uninterested in your job.


Or: more employees should be afraid of looking like an idiot to their boss.

Really? You think being dull should have repercussions? You think being unable to summarize your contribution to the company on a four storey elevator ride should have repercussions?

I don't believe fear to be a great motivator or a reasonable way to manage people. That being said, Jobs has some great strengths to make up for his shortcomings.
 
I don't think I'd be comfortable working for a company where the employees were afraid to talk to the boss.

exactly, that tells me that he was an arrogant person who used intimidation regularly. Humility is a bitch.
 
Jobs rudely cut in front of me at McDonalds and got a bacon cheese burger with extra mayo, large fries and a large coke. He was smoking a Kool and when the nervous young girl stammered out that no smoking was allowed, he screamed ethnic insults at her. When I objected, he pulled out a .50 caliber hand gun and pointed it at me gangster style, sideways.

I told him not to shoot because I was in charge of the waterboarding of suspicious employees. He tucked the gun into his pants, not bothering to pull his black turtleneck over it.

I cracked a little joke about wanting to increase my department's budget to use apple juice instead of water and his mouth crinkled a bit of a smile and he threw his cigarette down and stepped on it. He went outside with "my" order and I went up to the counter to pay for it.

As I drove off, I saw him sitting in his primered 1974 Camaro, eating alone.

Well, it looked like Jobs...
 
Interesting story but I've experienced this with other companies as well. There are passive CEO's and active ones. Jobs is obviously very active in his role.
 
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