Steve Jobs Email in E-Book Case Provides Insight Into Thinking Process

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Thus far in the ongoing e-book price fixing case, Apple has maintained that it was indifferent to what business model book publishers adopted with Amazon. However, an email from Steve Jobs to Eddy Cue submitted today by the U.S. Department of Justice appeared to undermine Apple's argument, according to Fortune:
    Apple's chief counsel quickly noted that the email was never sent, and AllThingsD now reports that Jobs later sent a longer, more detailed email with his complete thoughts on the negotiations with book publishers.
    The emails provide some insight into Jobs' thought process during the negotiations. The draft and final versions of the email show that Jobs initially appeared to have strong feelings on how Amazon's pricing would have to be affected, but then according to the emails' timestamps he reconsidered his position within two hours to offer a different angle and concern about the negotiations.

    The testimony portion of the case is now in the second week, with Cue set to take the stand tomorrow.

    Article Link: Steve Jobs Email in E-Book Case Provides Insight Into Thinking Process
  2. iMikeT macrumors 68020

    Jul 8, 2006
    Fascinating to see this and seeing how Jobs thinks and is involved in negotiations.
  3. komodrone macrumors 6502

    Apr 26, 2011
  4. donutbagel macrumors 6502a

    Jun 9, 2013
    Too bad they didn't get more serious about this. iBooks (not the laptop) are too much of a pain to use.
  5. cuda12 macrumors member

    Mar 13, 2011
    Miami, FL
  6. appleguy123 macrumors 603


    Apr 1, 2009
    15 minutes in the future
    Probably from a subpoena, which is perfectly legal.
  7. Zachari macrumors regular


    Feb 8, 2012
    Washington, DC
    NSA + Verizon (most likely)
  8. lolkthxbai macrumors 65816


    May 7, 2011
    E-book pricing is not a threat to national security...
  9. Zachari macrumors regular


    Feb 8, 2012
    Washington, DC
    It's called "a joke".
  10. ufwa macrumors regular

    Jun 17, 2011
    Something doesn't look right in this. Unless what is be shown by allthingsD isn't what's actually shown in court or the pictures got mixed up in posting. But from their article it doesn't look like it as they elaborate on the content.

    the DOJ email has a received time stamp 1/14/2010 @ 18:23:09

    Apple claims what the DOJ submitted it was a "draft" entering into evidence the "final" email.

    Apple's email has a received time stamp of 1/14/2010 @ 18:21:39

    Why would an email that's a "draft" have a received time stamp?

    Also the time stamp of the "draft" occurs about 2 minutes AFTER than the "final". Shouldn't the "draft" have an earlier time stamp? Apple's contention is that Steve later sent a more complete email.
  11. vmachiel macrumors 68000

    Feb 15, 2011
    Spoiler alert: the case closes with a sum of money being paid. Not much will change
  12. macUser2007 macrumors 65832

    May 30, 2007
    Unfortunately, this is the most likely outcome.

    Apple really screwed the ebook market for consumers, as well as for small retailers, many of whom went out of business.

    Even if Apple disgorges all of their ebook profits, they'll still be ahead, as they used ebooks to sell hardware.

    The bankrupt small retailers and consumers will get cold comfort.
  13. AppleMark macrumors 6502a


    Jun 17, 2009
    The CCTV Capital of the World
  14. Laird Knox macrumors 68000

    Jun 18, 2010

    The DoJ says that Apple caused an increase in the price a consumer pays and your assertion is that this forced out the smaller vendors? It didn't have anything to do with Amazon undercutting the industry rates? Oh Kay
  15. mrxak macrumors 68000

    Apr 16, 2004
    Drifting through space in a broken escape pod
    Laughable assertion. Amazon drove the small retailers out of business, not Apple. Apple just entered the market for the first time having a model that could compete with Amazon's juggernaut.

    Before Apple entered the market, there is no competition. After Apple entered the market, there is competition. For some reason the DoJ has a problem with this???
  16. Mactendo macrumors 68000

    Oct 3, 2012
  17. numlock macrumors 68000

    Mar 13, 2006
    what is the basis for your assertion that before apple entered there was no competition and after the agency model was enforced there was competition?

    btw i dont know you can read the emails and exchanges listed and think of the word competition
  18. samcraig macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    You really don't understand what this case is about, do you? If you do - maybe you can explain why, if true, the DOJ should not have a problem with collusion?

    Then you could tell me why the major publishers all immediately settled out of court.

    Things like that...
  19. mrgraff macrumors 6502a


    Apr 18, 2010
    I find it interesting that both the draft and final email are available. Usually when I write an email, it gets saved as a draft as I write it, but then it becomes the final email as soon as I send it. Never have I created a draft and then created a new email based on the draft, sent it and then also held on to the draft.
  20. JUiCEJamie macrumors 6502a


    Mar 22, 2011
    Maybe from Eddy Cue? (He's not dead).
  21. samcraig macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    New feature in iO7 ? ;)
  22. Bubba Satori Suspended

    Bubba Satori

    Feb 15, 2008
    Is there an app that explains humor?
  23. mcfmullen macrumors member

    Feb 6, 2012
    Not admissible in court. Yes, the gov't spies on you. No, it isn't legal. Evidence gathered isn't admissible in court. They'd still need a warrant to gather the same evidence legally first then use it against you. Keep your conspiracy theories out of here.
  24. Boomchukalaka macrumors regular

    Jun 12, 2009
    Might the draft have been on a server?
  25. Mactendo macrumors 68000

    Oct 3, 2012
    wtf. It was a joke, but ok. What 'conspiracy theories', PRISM is a reality. Keep your orders of what to do out of there.

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