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Steve Jobs iPhone Keynote Invalidates Apple's Rubber-Banding Patent in Germany
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I'm wondering if the time stamp is wrong, because I just watched it (previously assumed things were right) and I don't see any rubber banding either.
EDIT : Posted above 32:40, yes there is rubber banding, quite minimal but it is there.
It is of course a question of evidence, but the scope of the novelty requirement under the European Patent Convention is very broad. Even if they did not emphasise it, they did present it or at least went public with it. For the German court that seems to be enough evidence. The rationale of the procedural requirement is that inventors only obtain protection for their inventions if they adhere to the process, that is to say, when they file an application first and thereby disclose the invention. The State gives you an exclusive right in return for disclosure, but if you already disclose it before, then the State is not the one who gave you the incentive to disclose in the first place. If Apple was incompetent enough to make it public before, then that's their fault. The law has been like that for a very long time.
There is potentially billions of dollars on the line here. Of course they are going to try to invalidate the patents any way they can. Apple messed up here, they didn't play by the rules, and got caught.
Why should we? It was a stupid patent. Things like MagSafe, that, I can understand, but software patents are the worst thing to ever come out of the rise of commercial software in the 80s and 90s.
Exactly! So dumb.
So, if I infiltrate into a company, and know they are working on a patent submission for the next day, I can simply call a press conference to talk about this, and the whole patent is invalidated?
That's just nuts.
Now, NOBODY owns the patent to this simply because it was outed early?
It really isn't about the value of the feature, but more of a way of keeping your competitors from copying you. It is easy to make small adjustments to avoid direct copying, but if you try to patent everything; it makes it a lot easier to catch them.
Cause Germany is the biggest economy in Europe and 4th in world. Yep apple is big but German GTP 2,000 biger than apples revenue.
This makes absolutely no sense to me. So a company demonstrates a new concept. By demonstrating it before filing paperwork, that makes the concept ineligible for a patent. 
An American who specializes in technology should know about all the different countries of the world's laws? Oh, yeah, right. I guess everyone should have a law degree from every country in the world before they do anything. ok.
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Busted!
Although, I'm glad Apple doesn't have a team of lawyers scrub every keynote. Pretty sure none of us would care to watch one if they did.
It's kind of funny, secretive Apple losing a patent because of their own keynote. but I wish these kinds of things were not important to IP law. Should a rubber band effect really be protected IP that mega-companies litigate over?
Apple licensed that stuff from Xerox so it doesn't seem to be a similar situation.
Although, I'm glad Apple doesn't have a team of lawyers scrub every keynote. Pretty sure none of us would care to watch one if they did.
It's kind of funny, secretive Apple losing a patent because of their own keynote. but I wish these kinds of things were not important to IP law. Should a rubber band effect really be protected IP that mega-companies litigate over?
Apple licensed that stuff from Xerox so it doesn't seem to be a similar situation.
Apples lawyers are responsible for this outcome. It is their job to warn the Apple management BEFORE a keynote.