Steve Jobs Lies to Customers (again)

[wrldwzrd89]

It really is funny how people seem to have an inability to tell the difference between a missed prediction and a lie. The dictionary might help if you're having trouble.

As for this situation, it ain't the end of summer yet (and even if the apparently soon-to-be-released revs are only 2.5GHz, that still leaves a few months for speed bumps), and IBM sure ain't going to be spilling the beans one way or another at this point--Apple never likes that. And, I SERIOUSLY doubt Steve would've thrown out something like that if he didn't believe it--he's not trying to pump and dump, or inflate, since he's a CEO in it for the long haul. Besides, after so many years of delay, the simple fact he came out with a prediction at all said something about his confidence.

Now, you can start screaming about IBM being Motorola II if you want, but it's a little early even for that at this point. Give 'em a few more months.

Makosuke has a very good point! IBM is just getting their new production process ramped up - it's only natural to expect problems in the intitial runs. IBM will get better than Motorola with time because they're serious about making chips - trust me on this one.

 

[bousozoku]

Yes, of course, Steve Jobs knew that there would never, ever be any G5s past 2 GHz but told us all that there would be. Since he simply has to wave his mighty hand and things happen directly, he lied.

I can see how people would be confused by all of this. WWDC 2004 hasn't happened yet, so the PowerMac upgrades have not been announced either. The machines actually shipped at the end of August/beginning of September and we haven't reached that timeframe either.

I'm not sure what other "lies" Steve Jobs has told to the faithful but do they really matter? My machines still work, despite not having a current model which operates above 2 GHz in the stores. Besides, when Apple was winning the clock speed and/or throughput race with the 604/604e/603ev, did it matter?

 

[King Cobra]

Look...I know that there are some browses of the thread saying "Quit complaing already!!" to themselves, but at least I recognize that Steve announced that we'd be at 3GHz within 12 months (I suppose that means WWDC 2004), so I have no complaints thus far. If such machines are announced at WWDC - even if they are shipped in Sept. or Oct. of this year, which is what I expect - cool. But if WWDC comes and no machines with 3GHz are announced, then that is when I start complaining.

Until the day of WWDC, I see no need to complain, because (A) the ThinkSecret rumor about PowerMac upgrades this week didn't even say that (it posted possibly June 8, or could be announced at a later date in the week), and (B) it's not June 28 yet. That means unless you work for Apple and refuse to violate your NDA, then nobody outside of Apple knows for sure if Steve Jobs' announcement is correct. So...Steve Jobs has (thus far) not lied to customers again.

 

[Danrose1977]

Boeing lied to us -- where's the Sonic Flyer and/or the next generation 747, etc.

The new Airbus looks to be comming on time! Europe wins again!

Whoah!!!
Stop right there!
I'm not going to be the one that turns this into a flame war....

Lets balance this out by pointing out that America has an excellent education system that I someday hope to work as part off!

 

[wdlove]

We should all take a deep breath. Steve may have a good explanation or an unexpected surprise at WWDC. Let's just wait to see.

 

[Thomas Veil]

For your information, cryhavoc, both of the major chip manufacturers are having problems reaching the next plateau, the reason being the faster chips generate too much heat. Intel happens to be in exactly the same boat. They're trying to come out with a new Pentium chip, but they're having trouble licking the overheating problem.

 

[edesignuk]

You know what makes me laugh, if this had been Bill Gates making a statement of equal importance, a statement that the company then failed miserably to meet 12 months down the line, you'd all be jumping down his throat and ripping the company appart!

Steve-o is very lucky to have you lot, I certainly hope he appreciates it

 

[sonyrules]

I think people arnt seeing the full picture here. he said that they would make 3.o in 12 mos. Granted, they only mad half that, Why???? cuase every chip maunfacture is having problems at 90nm. Not just apple.. EVERYONE. And on top of that, We Mac People are use to a typical 75-150 Mhz increase every 6 mos or so, We jumpoed up 500 Mhz in 12 mos.. That alot better than what we had before, So i am not to terribly disapointed about.. They are still doing good.

 

[mymemory]

The whole human civilization lied to us: 2001 was supposed to bring the wonders of the future. I personally didn't see any big change in my area of the world. Find any monoliths in your neighborhood?
irmongoose

Well, what do you think the iPod is? It has a monolith shape and for some people is a wonder... there you are

 

[agreenster]

You know what makes me laugh, if this had been Bill Gates making a statement of equal importance, a statement that the company then failed miserably to meet 12 months down the line, you'd all be jumping down his throat and ripping the company appart!

Steve-o is very lucky to have you lot, I certainly hope he appreciates it

True, but the windows community aint-too-happy with 'ol Gates right now for the constant Longwhore delays...

 

[cjohn17]

Well, I'm sure he is very sorry... for your discomfort.

All chipmakers are facing physics hurtles when trying to get to the next speed goal. Understand these are very complex technical issues and you need to grow up a bit and be patient. They have to be confident of a delivering a reliable product to consumers.

Lighten up and enjoy your Dual 2.5 and stop throwing fireballs.

 

[Sayer]

The Real World

Steve never said the G5 would never be at 3 GHz, just that they won't hit their self-imposed deadline of 12 months.

The fault lies with IBM, not Apple, as was stated by several Apple people. Xserve and the G5 Mac was held up because of this.

Do you really think Steve enjoys being wrong, or not shipping a product to make more money for the stockholders? The driving force in any public corporation is not to make one guy happy but to increase the value of the shareholder's stock. Not shipping an anticipated project hurts Apple, why would Steve want that?

Apple shipped a totally new Xserve and now has a refreshed G5 line. A lot of people still don't have *any* G5 computer and now have better options than previously.

If you don't like the pace of Apple's progress, stop using the products and/or stop whining about "corporate america" as the source of all evil in the world.

The sum total of this situation is that Apple missed a self-imposed time table. The world didn't stop spinning, the ice caps didn't melt, every G5 already in existence didn't shutdown.

Perhaps the problem is with the expectations of certain people in the world that everything everyone says will come true exactly as expected with no variances or complications.

 

[rainman::|:|]

I don't think he lied at all, it was a prediction and a goal. But it was a crappy prediction.

I remember when he made the 3ghz announcement, my first thought was "wow, that's not going to happen!". Sure enough, it hasn't. One would think Apple's CEO could make more realistic predictions than myself, or at least hope...

Processor speeds are a very weak point for Apple. but, they're not going to make it any better by setting goals that are pretty obviously unobtainable. I hope the positive press he got last year outweights the negative press he'll take for this...

paul