Steve Jobs on 13-Inch MacBook Pro's Use of Intel Core 2 Duo Processors

mjoshi123 said:
That is so ironic considering fact that Sony Z11 is able to squeeze everything that is missing in MBP13" in 13.3" form factor (except OSX and Steve's big profit margin).....
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Do the Samsung SSDs take less space than a traditional HD?
 
djasterix said:
Everything except the price...
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Try configuring MBP 15 to same as what Z11 gives you and you will see price is not expensive than what Apple provides. There is no technical excuse for Apple not being able to match best in business except profit margin. Battery life on Z11 is same as what you will get with MBP 15", one of my colleague uses Z11 on daily basis at work and he can go thru 8 hours without charging his Z11. In terms of looks it looks stunning and it has 1440x900 screen instead of 1278x800 screen.
 
Here is quote from my colleague who uses Z11 on daily basis...

As a Z11 user, I can tell you that it's an awesomely performing machine...blisteringly fast. And it's a good gaming machine to boot. With an independent (no broadband subscription required) GPS receiver, integrated broadband (if I ever decide I want to use it) a full 1GB of dedicated Video RAM,up to 512GB SSD storage, 1600 x 900 Sony display tray-... See Moreloading Dual layer DVD writer (blue ray optional)...on and on the list goes.

Oh, and it stays cool to the touch by some miracle. I was just gaming on it (Bioshock 2) for an hour or so and both the top and bottom was cool to the touch (or BARELY warm), even though the air leaving the exhaust vent was very HOT. Sony might be letting some of it's model lines "slip" in engineering prowess, but the Z series shows they still have it when they choose to.

I think Apple should seriously take a note of this powerhouse....
 
mjoshi123 said:
That is so ironic considering fact that Sony Z11 is able to squeeze everything that is missing in MBP13" in 13.3" form factor (except OSX and Steve's big profit margin).....
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Since the Vaio is around 2 grand, I think Sony has the profit margin thing figured out, too.
 
mjoshi123 said:
Here is quote from my colleague who uses Z11 on daily basis...

As a Z11 user, I can tell you that it's an awesomely performing machine...blisteringly fast. And it's a good gaming machine to boot. With an independent (no broadband subscription required) GPS receiver, integrated broadband (if I ever decide I want to use it) a full 1GB of dedicated Video RAM,up to 512GB SSD storage, 1600 x 900 Sony display tray-... See Moreloading Dual layer DVD writer (blue ray optional)...on and on the list goes.

Oh, and it stays cool to the touch by some miracle. I was just gaming on it (Bioshock 2) for an hour or so and both the top and bottom was cool to the touch (or BARELY warm), even though the air leaving the exhaust vent was very HOT. Sony might be letting some of it's model lines "slip" in engineering prowess, but the Z series shows they still have it when they choose to.

I think Apple should seriously take a note of this powerhouse....
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I have to admit... I just went and looked it up. And if it weren't for budget constraints (and when I finally do go buy a laptop chances are it will be when I have changed jobs and have less of that), I'd seriously think of converting to Windows cause besides not running Mac, that laptop is everything I was kinda wanting (more power but in a small package. It's not assuming that just cause I want a small laptop means I don't want something that is very capable unlike Apple's offerings of 13" 's) . It looks to have a nice form/size. And I'd pay more to have better graphics/chips without having to compromise small size. It just looks exactly what I keep waiting for Apple to put out (no, i don't want to buy a 17" to get more power. I still want my small size in my laptop. I have a monitor I connect to at home when I want a large screen).

Actually, it would make me wonder the possibility of hacking MacOS on it (I have no idea if that is possible).

Honestly, the only reason Apple would get my money at this point is cause I haven't really shopped to see what PCs offer cause I really do prefer MacOS. But ... just seeing that there is a PC that is exactly what I am looking for in a laptop... if I were seriously thinking of buying a new laptop (rather if I had the money right now), I'd seriously consider it (and this is why I'm bitter that Apple gave us the current macpro 13" upgrade. I'd really like to see a 13" that has me seriously thinking of breaking budget to buy it. A macbook that has the same processor and is only .4 Ghz faster than my 3 year old Mac just isn't going to do it. Yeah, it can have more RAM, but technology wise I'd like my next laptop not to be on the same generation chip as a 3 year old laptop).
 
mjoshi123 said:
Quick question I'm planning on getting MBP 13". I dont do any gaming (not even casual) but more of Photoshop, Lightroom and Video editing. I'll be using it for Parallels with Widows 7 to do my Windows Programming. Do you guys think MBP 13" will be able to handle this things ?
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It should do fine, but I would recommend that you look at getting 8 GiB of RAM.

Running a Windows 7 VM with 2 GiB allocated to the VM is pretty much a minimum. And not because Win7 needs 2 GiB to run, but because it runs a lot faster with 2 GiB because it will cache files in RAM. Since real disk IO in a VM is (in practice almost always) noticeably slower than real disk IO in a real machine, the benefits of caching can be more noticeable with a VM.

If you want to run more than one Win7 VM, 4 GiB will be very tight.

Right now I have a Win7 VM on my Win7 system. The VM is allocated 7 GiB, and it reports

  • 498 MiB free
  • 2697 MiB in use
  • 2943 MiB cache in use

The 12 GiB host reports

  • 215 MiB free
  • 11023 MiB in use
  • 1017 MiB cache in use

Everything will work fine with less memory, but it's a lot "snappier™" if you have the RAM available.
 
mjoshi123 said:
Try configuring MBP 15 to same as what Z11 gives you and you will see price is not expensive than what Apple provides. There is no technical excuse for Apple not being able to match best in business except profit margin. Battery life on Z11 is same as what you will get with MBP 15", one of my colleague uses Z11 on daily basis at work and he can go thru 8 hours without charging his Z11. In terms of looks it looks stunning and it has 1440x900 screen instead of 1278x800 screen.
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I was talking about the 13", not the 15" MBP.

Now, Is it possible to configure a Z11 to match the price of the 13" MBP?

That's the point...
 
mjoshi123 said:
Quick question I'm planning on getting MBP 13". I dont do any gaming (not even casual) but more of Photoshop, Lightroom and Video editing. I'll be using it for Parallels with Widows 7 to do my Windows Programming. Do you guys think MBP 13" will be able to handle this things ? I'm not interested in gaming as I've 3 consoles for doing that (on whatever platform I want).
Do anyone know about iLife 2010 and iWork 2010. I'm waiting to see what is coming in this applications before upgrading to MBP 13" till than my Sony Vaio will be great for me.
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From personal experience I would recommend VMWare over Parallels.
 
AidenShaw said:
It should do fine, but I would recommend that you look at getting 8 GiB of RAM.

Running a Windows 7 VM with 2 GiB allocated to the VM is pretty much a minimum. And not because Win7 needs 2 GiB to run, but because it runs a lot faster with 2 GiB because it will cache files in RAM. Since real disk IO in a VM is (in practice almost always) noticeably slower than real disk IO in a real machine, the benefits of caching can be more noticeable with a VM.

If you want to run more than one Win7 VM, 4 GiB will be very tight.

Right now I have a Win7 VM on my Win7 system. The VM is allocated 7 GiB, and it reports

  • 498 MiB free
  • 2697 MiB in use
  • 2943 MiB cache in use

The 12 GiB host reports

  • 215 MiB free
  • 11023 MiB in use
  • 1017 MiB cache in use

Everything will work fine with less memory, but it's a lot "snappier™" if you have the RAM available.
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Thanks for your detailed response.
 
djasterix said:
I was talking about the 13", not the 15" MBP.

Now, Is it possible to configure a Z11 to match the price of the 13" MBP?

That's the point...
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My friend are we talking about downgrading Z11 to match MBP 13 configuration (and I hope you are just poking fun instead of being seriously considering this - as a fan you must want Apple to lead, not just follow.) ? If that is case let me tell you that XPS 1330 would be exact match (but unfortunately that is more than 2 years old configuration now)
 
MBP 13s

Anyone know if its possible that apple would launch another update on the 13 inch MBP this summer? (I heard somewhere that they are planning to cancel c2d production during summer) and also if they would update the normal macbook, they would have to update the MBP 2 because the difference would be so minor.... any opinions?
 
Zakareas said:
Anyone know if its possible that apple would launch another update on the 13 inch MBP this summer? (I heard somewhere that they are planning to cancel c2d production during summer) and also if they would update the normal macbook, they would have to update the MBP 2 because the difference would be so minor.... any opinions?
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No... A refresh in summer is NOT possible!
If Intel stops the production, there are still some c2d left (which they want to sell), so apple can produce 13" mbp till fall/winter 2010...

So you can expect the next mbp refresh end of 2010 (8 months from now = normal product cycle - see Buyer's Guide)...

And as there are some rumors about apple takling with amd, there could be amd chips in the late 2010 mbp!(?)
 
Zakareas said:
Anyone know if its possible that apple would launch another update on the 13 inch MBP this summer? (I heard somewhere that they are planning to cancel c2d production during summer) and also if they would update the normal macbook, they would have to update the MBP 2 because the difference would be so minor.... any opinions?
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If you don't need it right now wait for the next refresh in winter 2010... You'll see a brand new 13", with new processor and most probably with high(er) resolution screen...
 
No, i don't think the next refresh is that far off.

The macbook was updated during june then again during october.


I think the mbp will get another update in less than 6 months.
 
Can the new 13" MBP handle video editing?

Much of the discussion on performance is focused on gaming.

I currently have an HP PC running Vista (hate it) and having a lot of issues with video editing due to memory and graphics handling so I was planning to buy a MBP. I was looking at the 13" due to the price and size/form-factor but now I'm unsure.

I'm not talking heavy professional video editing but definitely need something that can handle heavier graphics -- btw I was planning to use an external monitor when editing @ home but still have the portability as I travel a lot.

Is the 13" MBP a good option for me or should I look at one of the 15"s ?
 
Zakareas said:
Anyone know if its possible that apple would launch another update on the 13 inch MBP this summer? (I heard somewhere that they are planning to cancel c2d production during summer) and also if they would update the normal macbook, they would have to update the MBP 2 because the difference would be so minor.... any opinions?
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Possible yes, but for reasons given earlier in this thread I don't think we'll see Arrandale in the 13" any time soon.
 
mjoshi123 said:
My friend are we talking about downgrading Z11 to match MBP 13 configuration (and I hope you are just poking fun instead of being seriously considering this - as a fan you must want Apple to lead, not just follow.) ? If that is case let me tell you that XPS 1330 would be exact match (but unfortunately that is more than 2 years old configuration now)
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I understand your point, and I'm being serious about the price.

You can't match Z11 configuration without the cost. So It's impossible for Apple to put a i5 or i7 with 1gb graphics card inside the 13" MBP without chargin it to the consumer.

In my opinion that is the main point, because the didn't wanted to put in teh market a terrific machine, but too expensive for it's level.

Of course I was expecting better options for the 13", as for me is most portable size. I was also expecting to pay $1300 to $1500 max for a decent upgrade to my late 2007 MacBook, but there is no way that I'm getting a C2D laptop as I'm expecting to keep this for at least 3 years.

So obviously the new 13" C2D is not an option for me. As a result I will have to scale to a 15" to get a new processor and a decent configured machine the will last, but I'll also have to pay $300 more than my original budget.
 
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