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Steve Jobs on an Apple Television Set: 'I Finally Cracked It'
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Where are you watching 8K video? The latest movies are being shot in 4K and Red is now making a camera that shoots in 5K.
You didn't have full internet before the iPhone except in some communicator devices (nokia 9110 SE p990 comes to mind) than were more advanced than regular smartphones.Hmm, email check, SMS check, camera WITH FLASH check, bluetooth check, touch screen check, WiFI check, full internet check, flash check, MP3 check, Sat Nav check, video recording check, calendar check, appointments check, 3D games check, apps check, upgradable storage check, 3G check, Video Calling check.....
Wow, I had all those before 2007! Yeah smart phones were sure dumb BEFORE the iPhone!!
I don't recall any full flash enabled smartphone until last year, and those aren't running flash flawlessly.
And before the AppStore, the apps available to smartphones were really bad quality and a pain in the ass to install, needing you to plug the phone to a computer trough USB. 3D games? Don't make laugh
For a 42", "retina" viewing distance is about:
- 480i/480p - 15 feet
- 720p - 8.2 feet
- 1080p - 5.5 feet
Bing is your friend, check out:
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html
http://www.hdhes.com/tv/hdtvviewdistance.aspx
http://hd.engadget.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
http://www.besthdtvscreen.com/guides/hdtv-screen-size-viewing-distance
http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/hdtv_distance_chart.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance
Actually, they have not so much shown MORE innovation, as DIFFERENT innovation. Read any paper written on either of the major players in the industry prior or close after the launch of the iPhone. Each one will speak highly of incumbents, and their innovation capabilities. Yes, incumbents suffer from inertia, but that does not mean they stop innovating. It just means that the path said innovation will take, generally, is severely restricted.
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For a 42", "retina" viewing distance is about:
- 480i/480p - 15 feet
- 720p - 8.2 feet
- 1080p - 5.5 feet
Bing is your friend, check out:
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html
http://www.hdhes.com/tv/hdtvviewdistance.aspx
http://hd.engadget.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
http://www.besthdtvscreen.com/guides/hdtv-screen-size-viewing-distance
http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/hdtv_distance_chart.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance
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Bing bong*. Thanks a bundle. Suspicion confirmed! :- )
* i really gotta start using Bing some day. Given google more than enough data by now.
Of course, these charts don't take into account the spatial and temporal damage to the image caused by the high compression ratios usually used for streaming video.
A BD movie will often look much better than streamed 720p, even when viewed from much further than "retinal" distances for both formats. A 40 Mbps video just looks better than a 4 Mbps video in most cases.
...and then there's the 4 Mbps (or more) lossless 8 channel soundtrack on the BD
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Uh - yeah you did. Not in the early days of WAPing mind you, but complete browsing capability had been around for years before the iPhone.
Also keep in mind the iPhone was not particularly suited for internet browsing because of the absence of 3G.
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What phone did you have? My phone before the iPhone was a Razr, then a Razr 2 (which wasn't nearly as sexy as the first one) and the browser* was bloody awful. But that wasn't pretending to be a smartphone, as far as I know.
*and the rest of the software
W600i, C905, a few more but I can't remember the model numbers.
Little issue handling regular web pages - but for an even better experience it was common to download the Opera Mini app, as it handled large webpages better.
Opera mini was great. Used it with the w810i. And yes, that too was before the launch of the iPhone.
Digital cameras are only now hitting 5k, however movies shot on film are of a higher resolutions (I've heard numbers thrown around, starting at 8k, going to 16k and one person mentioned 32k which might be a bit high).
So if you go to see a film projected using actual film, you just watched atleast 8k. Admittedly that can vary, depending on the quality of the print, how well projected it is but more or less yeah.
I'm not doing the math, but I remember hearing this debate a few years ago when most tvs were 720 and they were making a push to get everyone to upgrade to 1080. IIRC, with a 50" screen, you need to be closer than something like 8' viewing distance to discern individual pixels at 720. Of course it really depends on the size of your screen, how close you sit (people tend to sit a lot closer when playing video games, for example) and how sharp your eyes are (most people's aren't as sharp as they think). If you have perfect vision you would obviously notice from a greater distance.
I still have a 720 50" Pioneer plasma, it it still looks fantastic, and I feel no need to upgrade to 1080. But, I'm typically viewing it from over 8' away.
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What? How does anyone- even Apple- innovate their way to offering $30/month subscriptions perhaps without commercials and yet get to pump those very signals through the same pipes owned by the cable company this will hurt so badly? If they could innovate the way to make the middlemen take the hit, iPhones wouldn't cost as much as they do (meaning cost of service not subsidized prices of the unit itself).
Just put yourself in Comcast, etc. shoes. Why are YOU going to allow Apple to kill your lucrative subscription revenue business and perhaps kill your lucrative TV commercials revenues too when Apple's magical answer must flow through the broadband pipes YOU completely control?
Or perhaps you believe Apple will solve this middleman problem with an innovation of a totally new form of data distribution (not existing cable or DSL and not 3G or 4G?
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I remember several years ago I complained in a travel forum about the lack of computer support while traveling. I wished someone could come up with a small computer and cell to help us keep in touch with our daily lives back home. Someone answered "not in a million years. Can you imagine how computer manufacturers would crush that idea? No one would dare take away their bread and butter". Ha! Never say never.
While they may indeed have said that it makes little if any sense. Components are and were commodities. Heck, last few years scale and scope have even been close to what one considers an industry asset (i.e. available to all, regardless of size). In short, while i don't even see why computer manufacturers should oppose such a shift in technology when they can capitalize on it, there is and was nothing they could do to stop it even if they wanted to. To make analogous, they control no pipe.
This has nothing to do with Comcast. Apple was negotiating directly with the studios, not the cable companies. He wanted unlimited streaming of most TV shows for $30. That would put a dent on Comcast's cable business.
The point is that the content and distribution should be separated. Apple did it to the cell carriers when no cell phone vendor could and we are all benefitting. The same could happen with TV.
Btw, I get 25Mbps through Comcast. More than enough to stream or download HD video.
I like the iTunes model for TV. The pricing isn't that good right now. I'd dump my cable for $30-40 unlimited a month, even with current content available. I think many would.
Why do i need to schedule my dvr to save content on a spinning disk drive so i can watch when I want? What happens when that disk fails? Or I need to replace the box? Let me stream in real time from the cloud.
Read the two bolded out lines. See the conflict in your reasoning? Apparently, for you, it has everything to do with Comcast. Sidestepping Cable companies or not in acquiring content, they still need a pipe. No pipe-controller will freely dumb-ify itself.
I asked this question in the Apple TV forum but that seems to be part of this discussion now so I will ask it here:
It costs $2.99 to download HD shows (whether they are 30 minutes or 60, which I find odd). So say you watch 5 shows a week. That's $15 a week and about $60 per month. And all you're getting for that $60 is those 5 shows...no live sports games, no local news, no weather channel...just those 5 shows. So on top of Apple TV you are going to need at least a basic cable package from your local provider. Comcast for my area offers that for $21.99. Of course that doesn't include the cost of equipment so tack on another $20 or so for digital converters and maybe one HD box. So say for the sake of argument your cable bill is $40 a month.
Now that basic cable plan probably includes those shows that I would download for $2.99 a pop on my Apple TV. Comcast will give me an HD DVR (granted their equipment sucks) for about $17 a month. And with that DVR I can record all of those shows.
Assuming you are a person who watches TV at home and not so much on your iPhone or iPad, what is the point of Apple TV? And please no fanboy responses. I'm literally asking for someone to tell me the benefits of Apple TV.
It costs $2.99 to download HD shows (whether they are 30 minutes or 60, which I find odd). So say you watch 5 shows a week. That's $15 a week and about $60 per month. And all you're getting for that $60 is those 5 shows...no live sports games, no local news, no weather channel...just those 5 shows. So on top of Apple TV you are going to need at least a basic cable package from your local provider. Comcast for my area offers that for $21.99. Of course that doesn't include the cost of equipment so tack on another $20 or so for digital converters and maybe one HD box. So say for the sake of argument your cable bill is $40 a month.
Now that basic cable plan probably includes those shows that I would download for $2.99 a pop on my Apple TV. Comcast will give me an HD DVR (granted their equipment sucks) for about $17 a month. And with that DVR I can record all of those shows.
Assuming you are a person who watches TV at home and not so much on your iPhone or iPad, what is the point of Apple TV? And please no fanboy responses. I'm literally asking for someone to tell me the benefits of Apple TV.
The POINT is that "should be" is just a wish. The content and distribution are tied up with the cable companies. News Corp owns Fox and DirecTV, and lots of other media. Comcast owns NBC and many "cable" networks. And then there are the distribution contracts. Breaking through that would be huge.
I have no idea what you are talking about with cell providers. Apple just made a phone. Unless you mean iMessage, but I hope not.