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Christ, what an *******. He makes some very good products, but...ew. Pretty interesting, these training sessions. I thought something was fishy when he took his most recent leave of absence.

When he's gone, I am sure that Apple will implode.
 
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Horse crap. If you have to have your ass chewed to get motivated it's clear you didn't put your best effort into your projects. He takes all the heat for any decision that Apple makes and produces for his stock holders.

I know at my company if anyone with a title uses any foul language they are terminated on the spot. We are a Fortune 100 company. Language like that does nothing. Plus Jobs is the CEO he is responsible for the success of the company right? I mean hes the brilliant genius and master of magic right? He should have known that MobileME wasn't living up to its potential years ago and did something about it.
 
When u think about it, he prepared the question in a way that whichever response he would get he could say the same thing he did. Because of the "supposed to do" in the the question is more of a statement.


this is not hatin, just an observation :)

Was this all poor management on Steve's part then?
Or was the Executive that was responsible fluffing reports to Steve so that he thought everything was going OK?
That must be why he was replaced on the spot.

Still Steve should learn from that and be more proactive when it comes to validating his new products.
 
Was this all poor management on Steve's part then?
Or was the Executive that was responsible fluffing reports to Steve so that he thought everything was going OK?
That must be why he was replaced on the spot.

Still Steve should learn from that and be more proactive when it comes to validating his new products.

It always comes down to the person who makes the executive decision. In this case we could gather it was Jobs.
 
Actually I remember hearing a story about him years ago when Apple was still pretty young - apparently he got into an elevator which had another employee in it. He asked him a question, didn't like the answer and fired him on the spot. :eek:
 
Apple's board should never have permitted the "Jobs personality cult" to become so strong that de-indoctrination sessions were necessary.

sorry dude, but the "Jobs cult" is what created the second most valuable company in the world out of ashes, and the leading brand in the world. you dont argue w/ success like that.
 
sorry dude, but the "Jobs cult" is what created the second most valuable company in the world out of ashes, and the leading brand in the world. you dont argue w/ success like that.

Money and Success doesn't mean everything. Being the best and Top Dog doesn't always mean you release the best product nor have the best interests of your clients. I think Apples success has shown this.
 
I can wait to hear all the ooohs and aaaahs at the 2011 WWDC when Jobs announces the invention of Dropbox.

I'm actually surprised Apple developed Mac OS X. It seems like a completely different company now.
 
The real question is my MobileME account expires in 8 days. What do I do? Pay 100 bucks and have MobileME disappear and not get my money back?
 
It's good to see that Walt Mossberg is an overpaid Apple puppet that couldn't write a high school term paper.

Back on topic. . . . I think MM is a fantastic service. Especially iDisk, which works a crap load better with an FTP client like Filezilla or Transmit than it does with the Finder.
 
I'm reminded of a promo Vince McMahon cut on Monday Night Raw where he used two words and it reminds me a lot of Jobs. Success is defined by ruthless aggression.
 
Plus Jobs is the CEO he is responsible for the success of the company right? I mean hes the brilliant genius and master of magic right? He should have known that MobileME wasn't living up to its potential years ago and did something about it.

Except that this situation wasn't a problem of MobileMe living up to its potential or sucking or being a disappointment. This was a problem with the scalability of the service at launch. A problem not apparent until wide release.
 
The real question is my MobileME account expires in 8 days. What do I do? Pay 100 bucks and have MobileME disappear and not get my money back?

Mine expired April 30th. I would have renewed if Amazon still had the family boxed version for ~$95, but no way am I paying full retail for the service in its current state with a potential overhaul in the works.
 
It's good to see that Walt Mossberg is an overpaid Apple puppet that couldn't write a high school term paper.
Are you sure you posted this in the right thread? That's a common saying amongst Apple haters, but this particular news story shows the opposite.
 
MobileMe has improved somewhat, but it still has plenty of room to improve. iDisk is often painful to use. Also MobileMe is a stupid name. ... I was embarrassed every time someone asked for my email address. They would always ask twice, questioning the goofy name I just told them.

What was that? At...

AT ME DOT COM! Can we just move on now?

+1

I seriously LAUGH when someone gives me their email address and it's @me.com
It sounds like it has something to do with the Wii or some little kids cartoon site. It's as bad as when someone has a nickname for their email like groovygirl@yahoo.com or macboy69@hotmail.com.

In my estimation, people putting a me.com email address on their resume contributes to about 3% of the current unemployment rate. :rolleyes:
 
Except that this situation wasn't a problem of MobileMe living up to its potential or sucking or being a disappointment. This was a problem with the scalability of the service at launch. A problem not apparent until wide release.

But, scalability testing should have discovered this problem, and a micro-managing turtlenecked CEO should have asked about scalability testing.
 
Because "asking" means more than speaking a trivial question "Did you test scalability?" and accepting a "yes/no" response.

Sure. Again, you don't know whether the appropriate questions were asked. At some point you have to trust the engineers when they tell you it's ready. Maybe Jobs did screw up. Maybe he launched against the advice of someone who anticipated the problem. We don't have enough information.
 
Taking responsibility, not assigning blame.

A picture is worth 1000 words.

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That's US President Harry Truman, at his desk, with the famous sign on the desk.


Sure. Again, you don't know whether the appropriate questions were asked. At some point you have to trust the engineers when they tell you it's ready. Maybe Jobs did screw up. Maybe he launched against the advice of someone who anticipated the problem. We don't have enough information.

Not relevant. Jobs is the CEO. It's his responsibility. If he didn't ask the right questions, it's his fault. If he did ask the right questions, and his vice-presidents lied, it's still Jobs' fault.

I liked how the narcissistic disorder has "take credit, but not blame" as a common point. Fits the turtlenecked one, don't you think?
 
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A picture is worth 1000 words.

Image

That's US President Harry Truman, at his desk, with the famous sign on the desk.

Platitudes aside, you're shifting your point with every post. And Jobs did not pass the buck, at least publicly. Holding people accountable for their job is not the same as shirking responsibility.

Not relevant. Jobs is the CEO. It's his responsibility. If he didn't ask the right questions, it's his fault. If he did ask the right questions, and his vice-presidents lied, it's still Jobs' fault.

And where did he say he wasn't at fault? It appears from this anecdote, that he took immediate action to rectify his mistake. Did you expect to see another quote of him yelling at himself?

Saying the CEO is responsible for everything does not mean no one else is responsible for anything.
 
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A picture is worth 1000 words.

Image

That's US President Harry Truman, at his desk, with the famous sign on the desk.




Not relevant. Jobs is the CEO. It's his responsibility. If he didn't ask the right questions, it's his fault. If he did ask the right questions, and his vice-presidents lied, it's still Jobs' fault.

I liked how the narcissistic disorder has "take credit, but not blame" as a common point. Fits the turtlenecked one, don't you think?

Your point is shiftier than a man in a trench coat offering candy.
 
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