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I'm using that link as merely an example that corporations (and even individuals), in the digital age, employ many tactics to either gain consumer confidence or rattle the competition such as "stealth" online campaigns

I agree, they certainly do. Thanks for clarifying!
 
I'm using that link as merely an example that corporations (and even individuals), in the digital age, employ many tactics to either gain consumer confidence or rattle the competition such as "stealth" online campaigns

That explains why so many non-Mac users would spend an enormous amount of time on a Mac specific forum bashing Mac users, Apple, and Steve Jobs. It made no sense to me especially because Apple products "just work" which is why I left Windows. I have no desire to waste my time on Windows specific web sites.
 
That explains why so many non-Mac users would spend an enormous amount of time on a Mac specific forum bashing Mac users, Apple, and Steve Jobs. It made no sense to me especially because Apple products "just work" which is why I left Windows. I have no desire to waste my time on Windows specific web sites.

I don't doubt there are people like that. But I also think there are plenty of people on these forums who are more technologically agnostic or who own apple products yet don't think that Apple can do no wrong.

As for Apple products "just work" - that's a misnomer. And a bad one at that. Brilliant marketing - but a ridiculous claim.

I am sure you have had and are enjoying a great experience with Apple. But let's not go into hyperbole.
 
I don't doubt there are people like that. But I also think there are plenty of people on these forums who are more technologically agnostic or who own apple products yet don't think that Apple can do no wrong.

As for Apple products "just work" - that's a misnomer. And a bad one at that. Brilliant marketing - but a ridiculous claim.

I am sure you have had and are enjoying a great experience with Apple. But let's not go into hyperbole.

Erm........This.
 
you slander me ;)

XP seriously...

I thought you had cred.
It would be a real time OS for sure, like Windows CE, or one of the Unix-Like ones.

Perhaps you should follow the link that linux2mac posted, rather than question my credibility.

The hot guy with the "Duff Quarry" shirt with "Ross" on his name patch seems to be "Ross Duff" according to that link - so it's fair to assume that he's probably at least related to the owners of Duff Quarry. Judging by the lack of wrinkles in his face, or any noticeable tan lines from the hard hat - he probably spends most of his time in the executive offices.

And the full quote from the article is:

Turns out, no fancy customization is required to get the iPad into a quarry. The business uses the free iRdesktop app and the $29.99 LogMeIn Ignition, permitting access to the distant control room. To boost the wireless connection, Duff even added a Wi-Fi router directly in the quarry. Such easy-to-find solutions makes the iPad very cost-effective, he adds.

“The iPad is basically a touch-screen remote for the main control computer running XP,” [Ross] Duff told the magazine.

http://allappnews.com/cult-of-mac/a...s-futuristic-next-gen-rock-quarry-case-study/

So yes, the Itoy is a remote desktop onto the Windows system that actually controls the equipment.

And the quarry bought two Itoys, so they spent a bit over $1000 on Apple stuff.
 
So yes, the Itoy is a remote desktop onto the Windows system that actually controls the equipment.

Well that explains why the conveyor belt is broken. XP probably has another virus.

It's also unfortunate that his Itoy hasn't warned him that the conveyor belt has been blown off the tracks on the elevator in the background.


Yes, the Itoy is a UI for Windows XP. Thank you for another testimonial showing how important Windows is to the enterprise.
 
Well that explains why the conveyor belt is broken. XP probably has another virus.

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It's official: this thread has jumped the shark.
 
Well that explains why the conveyor belt is broken.

Not broken, just off track. Like some of the Apple fans around here.


XP probably has another virus.

Actually that's very unlikely. Real-time control systems running any OS wouldn't have open connections to the Internet.

That's a CS101 rule - control and maintenance connections are out-of-band.

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It's official: this thread has jumped the shark.

:) Agreed!
 
It's also unfortunate that his Itoy hasn't warned him that the conveyor belt has been blown off the tracks on the elevator in the background.

Clearly he works inside in the office - where “The iPad is basically a touch-screen remote for the main control computer running XP”. And he's not smiling because he's a bit scared to be 20m in the air on a catwalk trying to read an Itoy in full sunlight.

Yes, the Itoy is a UI for Windows XP. Thank you for another testimonial showing how important Windows is to the enterprise.

So yes, the Itoy is a remote desktop onto the Windows system that actually controls the equipment.

And the quarry bought two Itoys, so they spent a bit over $1000 on Apple stuff.

Or at least things about Steve Jobs - he isn't a very nice man in some ways.

The cat really isn't too happy in the photo you used, I like this picture for "let's get along":

Yes. Why ever would I choose a picture of an unhappy cat? ;)
 
Indeed, it sure is nice to know you can voice your opinion of how stupid people sound without being silenced!

Oh wait... Never mind, it just happened!

The POINT I was making, O' great god of the internet is this. Don't judge people, period. Especially if you don't know them personally. And everyone has a "mean" side.


I would still like to know why my original post was removed. If it was to cool down the impending "flame war" then at least let people know, first. It's called being nice about it.
 
I'd say that a "wise cat" can be happy and wary, but that would be doing a somersault as we jump the shark.


Your penchant for the term "iToy" leads me to believe it's not wariness. I sense more green-eyed monster than alarmist. ;) The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

BTW, I see the house that Steve built hit another milestone today. Thanks again, Mr. Jobs.
 
Your penchant for the term "iToy" leads me to believe it's not wariness. I sense more green-eyed monster than alarmist. ;) The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Actually, my husband brought the topic up over the weekend while we were driving into the city for an evening of theatre.

"If we bought an Ipad, could we use it for anything?", he asked. Some of his work buddies bought Ipads in the heat of the fanboi frenzy - but admit that they're now gathering dust rather than being used.

The answer for us seemed to be that if there were an app that would interface to our Z-wave home automation system - we'd get a tablet in a minute. (I suggested that a 7" tablet would be more convenient, but he wants a 10" or so that he could use without his glasses.)

Android or IOS would be a non-issue - we'd be buying a coffee table app to control the house. The app would drive the purchase. (The Z-wave controller is USB-based, so the Ipad would be useless as a controller - but it could be a remote terminal to control the controller running on our Windows Server 2003 home server system.)

Why doesn't Steve Jobs create a Z-wave control application? (Lame attempt to include a sentence that's on-topic ;) ).
 
Actually, my husband brought the topic up over the weekend while we were driving into the city for an evening of theatre.

"If we bought an Ipad, could we use it for anything?", he asked. Some of his work buddies bought Ipads in the heat of the fanboi frenzy - but admit that they're now gathering dust rather than being used.

The answer for us seemed to be that if there were an app that would interface to our Z-wave home automation system - we'd get a tablet in a minute. (I suggested that a 7" tablet would be more convenient, but he wants a 10" or so that he could use without his glasses.)

Android or IOS would be a non-issue - we'd be buying a coffee table app to control the house. The app would drive the purchase. (The Z-wave controller is USB-based, so the Ipad would be useless as a controller - but it could be a remote terminal to control the controller running on our Windows Server 2003 home server system.)

So "fanboi frenzy" is your reason for why iPad continues to flummox it's competitors? :confused:

"I suppose for people who like to focus on Apple’s relatively small number of problems, so they prefer to just brand him an 'Apple fanboy' and call it a day. All that thinking makes their heads hurt."

http://www.macworld.com/article/161842/2011/08/macalope_when_to_hold_em.html#lsrc.rss_main

Why doesn't Steve Jobs create a Z-wave control application? (Lame attempt to include a sentence that's on-topic ;) ).

Don't worry, Steve Jobs left Apple in good hands with Tim Cook. Tim will handle it along with the "supposed" iPad 3 competition.
 
Don't worry, Steve Jobs left Apple in good hands with Tim Cook. Tim will handle it along with the "supposed" iPad 3 competition.

Why is it sarcastically, "supposed"?

It's competition. Plain and simple. It's not faux competition or pseudo-competition. Other companies are putting similar products into the market for us to decide to buy or not in comparison (or competiton) to the iPad.

Granted, we'll likely go iPad, but the point is that other products will be out there. It's really important too. Without competition, supposed or not, Apple has no reason to give us competetive pricing!
 
Why is it sarcastically, "supposed"?

It's competition. Plain and simple. It's not faux competition or pseudo-competition. Other companies are putting similar products into the market for us to decide to buy or not in comparison (or competiton) to the iPad.

Granted, we'll likely go iPad, but the point is that other products will be out there. It's really important too. Without competition, supposed or not, Apple has no reason to give us competetive pricing!

What a tired old Internet meme. One of the reasons the iPad is crushing it's "competition" is the low price of the iPad. The industry dropped its jaw when the $499 price was announced. Apple priced it without any competition.
 
What a tired old Internet meme. One of the reasons the iPad is crushing it's "competition" is the low price of the iPad. The industry dropped its jaw when the $499 price was announced. Apple priced it without any competition.

Didn't they price it that way in a successful attempt to be cheaper than... competition?...

You say it's a tired "meme" as if they priced it at $499 just for fun. They picked $499 because they ascertained other tablet makers wouldn't be able to beat that price, therefore making said price competetive.

If the price was made $499 with virtually no competition to think about, they would have gone higher because they could. Point is, they couldn't; Because of impending competition.
 
Didn't they price it that way in a successful attempt to be cheaper than... competition?...

You say it's a tired "meme" as if they priced it at $499 just for fun. They picked $499 because they ascertained other tablet makers wouldn't be able to beat that price, therefore making said price competetive.

If the price was made $499 with virtually no competition to think about, they would have gone higher because they could. Point is, they couldn't; Because of impending competition.

There was no competition when they announced the iPad. They could have priced it higher as they had a huge head start. The first competitor didn't ship for almost a year after the iPad shipped and as I recall, was priced higher.

What about the iPhone? That sucker sells for hundreds more than other phones (retail + carrier subsidy). A high price hasn't hurt as they are selling all they cam make.
 
There was no competition when they announced the iPad. They could have priced it higher as they had a huge head start. The first competitor didn't ship for almost a year after the iPad shipped and as I recall, was priced higher.

What about the iPhone? That sucker sells for hundreds more than other phones (retail + carrier subsidy). A high price hasn't hurt as they are selling all they cam make.

I know there was no competition at the time. What I was referring to was the impending competition. They knew, and so did we for what it's worth, that other companies had tablets in mind and R&D. So I'm saying I think they priced it at $499 to preemptively compete with those products. What wound up happening is history as they say. That would've-been competition failed and disappeared.

As for the iPhone, is it that much more expensive? Or do you mean in comparison to phones like Pantech? I think of iPhones being in the same pool as Droid Bionics and the like, which subsidize at $299, retail around $700 I think where the same capacity iPhone is the same.
 
There was no competition when they announced the iPad. They could have priced it higher as they had a huge head start. The first competitor didn't ship for almost a year after the iPad shipped and as I recall, was priced higher.

What about the iPhone? That sucker sells for hundreds more than other phones (retail + carrier subsidy). A high price hasn't hurt as they are selling all they cam make.

The folks buying the iPhone, don't feel the full price upfront, so that doesn't count.
 
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