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'Steve Jobs: The Man in the Machine' Film Debuts at SXSW, Eddy Cue Calls It 'Inaccurate' and 'Mean-Spirited'

brianvictor7 said:
Best quote of the day. Everyone knows that Steve was no saint. At the same time he did remarkably wonderful things. Seems the haters are gonna hate.
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True but there is nothing wrong in showing the other side of the coin. History shouldn't paint him as a benevolent deity. He was a dirtbag for most his adult life but so am I and many others. I wouldn't want people to make me out to be something amazing, just because I created some amazing things.... Or oversaw their creation.

Too many people in this world think he was the Ghandi of electronics and that's just not true. Not even close.
 
freediverx said:
The fact that it was an entirely negative attack piece that paints the distorted image of a psychopath when by most accounts he was a complex character whose good qualities outweighed the bad?
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Fact doesn't mean what you think it does. No fact exists that says it was an entirely negative piece. Personal bias is going to determine how each of us views the film. You say by most accounts he was a complex character whose good qualities outweighed the bad. Someone else will view him differently. Neither of you would be right or wrong, just differing in opinion.

Genuine curiosity: What are you considering the good qualities that outweighed the bad?
 
tbrinkma said:
Technically, a DNA test only proves that he is the father, it says nothing about whether she was promiscuous, or he was infertile. Infertility is a condition where it is incredibly difficult, but not necessarily impossible to have a child. It is entirely possible to be correctly diagnosed as infertile, but still end up becoming a biological parent 'the old fashioned way'. This is especially true for men, because even the most infertile male *occasionally* produces a viable sperm, which makes conception *possible*.

Frankly, if you honestly believe you are infertile, and your ex turns up pregnant, it would be pretty stupid to just go 'oh, it must be mine', just because there's a 1:1,000,000,000 chance that it might be.

Note: Infertility is different than sterility, though they can be difficult to distinguish for extreme cases of infertility.
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All of that is true.

However, I don't believe there's any record of Jobs having any difficulty conceiving later in life. And any given episode of Maury, you'll see men claiming to be infertile only to be told that they "ARE the father!" The preponderance of the evidence even absent the paternity testing suggested strongly that Jobs was merely claiming infertility to shun his responsibility (a responsibility the record shows he embraced once it was basically almost too late).
 
Jobs wasn't nice. Jobs was a genius. What a revelation.:rolleyes:

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Edd.Dantes said:
Too many people in this world think he was the Ghandi of electronics and that's just not true. Not even close.
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Well, to be fair, he had a pretty similar diet to Gandhi.

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69Mustang said:
I apologize if I am reading this incorrectly. Your quote reads like "let's take a dump on Woz to justify Jobs actions." That may not be your intent, but it surely discounts the contributions of the man.
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No, he is not saying that. A fairer summary of his post would be "Woz was talented; Jobs was unique; and Woz would not have had the opportunities he had without Jobs."
 
centauratlas said:
"huge corporate tax evasion,"

They do not know what "tax evasion" is vs tax avoidance. One is illegal, one is not. In the US, no one is legally obligated to pay extra taxes.

If they can't get a simple fact like that correct, I wouldn't be surprised they'd be filled with many more inaccuracies.
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sorry what is extra taxes?
 
Familiarity breeds contempt.

People are rarely all good or all bad. Human beings are complex creatures.
 
tbrinkma said:
Technically, a DNA test only proves that he is the father, it says nothing about whether she was promiscuous, or he was infertile. Infertility is a condition where it is incredibly difficult, but not necessarily impossible to have a child. It is entirely possible to be correctly diagnosed as infertile, but still end up becoming a biological parent 'the old fashioned way'. This is especially true for men, because even the most infertile male *occasionally* produces a viable sperm, which makes conception *possible*.

Frankly, if you honestly believe you are infertile, and your ex turns up pregnant, it would be pretty stupid to just go 'oh, it must be mine', just because there's a 1:1,000,000,000 chance that it might be.

Note: Infertility is different than sterility, though they can be difficult to distinguish for extreme cases of infertility.
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The defense rests
 
brianvictor7 said:
Best quote of the day. Everyone knows that Steve was no saint. At the same time he did remarkably wonderful things. Seems the haters are gonna hate.
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"no saint"?
You mean he was a complete *******. The way he treated his own child!
Apple are unhappy because a film is depicting their glorified computer salesman as a flawed human rather than as a God-like figure. Corporate fascists want to re-write history according to their own false twisted ideal.
 
tbrinkma said:
Technically, a DNA test only proves that he is the father, it says nothing about whether she was promiscuous, or he was infertile. Infertility is a condition where it is incredibly difficult, but not necessarily impossible to have a child. It is entirely possible to be correctly diagnosed as infertile, but still end up becoming a biological parent 'the old fashioned way'. This is especially true for men, because even the most infertile male *occasionally* produces a viable sperm, which makes conception *possible*.

Frankly, if you honestly believe you are infertile, and your ex turns up pregnant, it would be pretty stupid to just go 'oh, it must be mine', just because there's a 1:1,000,000,000 chance that it might be.

Note: Infertility is different than sterility, though they can be difficult to distinguish for extreme cases of infertility.
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I don't see how that has to with anything, he was still the father.
 
numlock said:
sorry what is extra taxes?
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At the individual level, it's what people who complain about tax cuts should volunteer to pay instead of being hypocrites by profiting from those cuts. An example is someone who complains about the "Bush tax cuts for the rich" but then doesn't continue to calculate his taxes at Clinton-era rates.
 
Edd.Dantes said:
True but there is nothing wrong in showing the other side of the coin. History shouldn't paint him as a benevolent deity. He was a dirtbag for most his adult life but so am I and many others. I wouldn't want people to make me out to be something amazing, just because I created some amazing things.... Or oversaw their creation.

Too many people in this world think he was the Ghandi of electronics and that's just not true. Not even close.
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I agree in principle here. If it is acurate, that is one thing. I don't get the impression that it was very acurate based on the comments of the people who knew and worked with him each day. There is also something to be said for balance even in the same biography. I watched Ashton's Jobs and knew immediately that it focused too heavily on the bullish side of Job's personality. He could be very wooing by many accounts and we saw very little of that in the documentary.
 
If I was Eddie I would say the same thing.
Even though the Documentary is 100% accurate.
If you compare another CEO (Name I will not mention ;) ) in regards to to philanthropic work, Jobs was a heartless, self serving,opportunist/capitalist who rode off the technological advancements of others while stealing, giving little to no credit where credit was due and suing others.
He had petty feuds with companies like Adobe after public acceptance swayed toward Flash instead of Quicktime and tried to patent simple existing standards like opening a blue URL link with a browser by touching it.

Steve Jobs really is not someone to revere. His ethics were deeply troubling and none of you should want your children to grow up as narcissistic and evil as he was.

I don't believe in God but I do believe in karma.

-Gates Out-
 
I'm getting a little tired of the media portraying Apple as the only company that uses tax laws to their benefit and the only company that has parts manufactured at Foxconn or similar plants.
 
The hero worship and denial of truth being expressed in this thread is bizarre, yet not unexpected.

The Church of Jobs is presently filled to capacity :)
 
emvath said:
As with most arguments, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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This idiotic meme needs to die. No, the truth isn't always to be found "somewhere in the middle" of diametrically opposed narratives.

Scientists have determined planet earth is 4.5 billion years old. Some religionists claim it's 6000 years old. The truth isn't "somewhere in the middle":
 
Arcus said:
That fight was a righteous fight. Steve was right about flash.
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No, I'm sorry but he wasn't. At the time, Flash was FAR superior to Quicktime and in many cases still is.

I know it's been super trendy and cool to hate Flash and talk about HTML5 for the past 2 years but flash still has a huge value.

And for the time (EARLY 90s) there was simply NOTHING better than Flash
 
freediverx said:
How would your biography look if the writer focused solely on everything you've done wrong?
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Well put. Most of us would not look so good if someone rooted around in our lives and made a movie out of only the worst aspects they could find. I actually think that this is a big reasons biographies are better done as books than movies, generally speaking. An outsider (and perhaps even an insider) can never truly capture a life in all its intricacies, but you can come a lot closer in a 2000 page book than a 2 hour movie.
 
tbrinkma said:
Technically, a DNA test only proves that he is the father, it says nothing about whether she was promiscuous, or he was infertile. Infertility is a condition where it is incredibly difficult, but not necessarily impossible to have a child. It is entirely possible to be correctly diagnosed as infertile, but still end up becoming a biological parent 'the old fashioned way'. This is especially true for men, because even the most infertile male *occasionally* produces a viable sperm, which makes conception *possible*.

Frankly, if you honestly believe you are infertile, and your ex turns up pregnant, it would be pretty stupid to just go 'oh, it must be mine', just because there's a 1:1,000,000,000 chance that it might be.

Note: Infertility is different than sterility, though they can be difficult to distinguish for extreme cases of infertility.
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I gotta say that reads completely like you’re trying to find any excuse to make Jobs out to be the good guy.
In any walk of life, if any man has an ex that has suggested he was the father of her child he should at the bare minimum take a look at it.
At an estimated worth of $200M, it would have been very easy for SJ to put the story to bed one way or another.
The guy is disgusting. For me that one facet of his personality overshadows the others and I cannot hold him in high esteem.
There are enough children without fathers in the world and for him to do something like that has no excuse that I can fathom.
 
Mr. Gates said:
No, I'm sorry but he wasn't. At the time, Flash was FAR superior to Quicktime and in many cases still is.

I know it's been super trendy and cool to hate Flash and talk about HTML5 for the past 2 years but flash still has a huge value.

And for the time (EARLY 90s) there was simply NOTHING better than Flash
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That just proves how forward thinking Jobs was. Thanks to him not allowing it on the iPhone, we have other options now, especially on mobile.
 
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